OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Oh no! They are 3 and 1. Panic!

[WickedWrister]

This chart is what I'm referring to when I say QB15ish. Basically the top right quadrant = good. Fields is firmly in that good cluster, so I'm going to be setting the bar pretty high for Wilson.

 

[Empoleon8771]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1846236809312735576

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Because it's still putting a square object in a round hole and won't be enough. The player doesn't have to be fantastic, but they do need to have the right skillset to fit the problem.

Again I'm not advocating for Williams per se, but someone who is better than VJ (can't be that hard)
But I'm sensing Art Smith is much like Tomlin who doesn't like his pacifiers taken away....

 

[WickedWrister]

Ah, it will a little, simply because there'll be less media coverage of it. For... a week? Two weeks? Think of it as our QB controversy bye week!

Russell Wilson makes his debut vs Aaron Rodgers and the Jets after they just acquired his old BFF Davante Adams... on Sunday Night Football. I don't think you can get a bigger microscope than this. If Russ plays poorly, this is all the talking heads on ESPN will be talking about for a week.

 

[Peat]

Russell Wilson makes his debut vs Aaron Rodgers and the Jets after they just acquired his old BFF Davante Adams... on Sunday Night Football. I don't think you can get a bigger microscope than this. If Russ plays poorly, this is all the talking heads on ESPN will be talking about for a week.

Talking about, sure. Talking about a change, the inevitability of Fields getting back in? I doubt it. It's going to be a different conversation.

 

[xlm34]

The Jets defense is a hell of a game to try to shake off the rust. If the run game isn’t working and they need to rely on Wilson’s arm against their secondary, things could look rough.

 

[WickedWrister]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1846236809312735576

We need someone that can separate and win underneath, not another contested catch specialist. I'd only be interested at an extreme discount.

Christian Kirk and Calvin Ridley's contracts kinda suck, but that's the prototype of guy I'd be looking for.

 

[MissADD]

We need someone that can separate and win underneath, not another contested catch specialist. I'd only be interested at an extreme discount.

Christian Kirk and Calvin Ridley's contracts kinda suck, but that's the prototype of guy I'd be looking for.

Im on the find a one year rental train and try and land Egbuka in the 17-22 range in the draft

 

[WickedWrister]

Talking about, sure. Talking about a change, the inevitability of Fields getting back in? I doubt it. It's going to be a different conversation.

Oh trust me they're going to be panning to a view of Fields on the sideline every 10 minutes, just like they did with Russ this past week.

I think Russ gets 3 games and if he's not 2-1, we go back to Fields.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Jets defense is a hell of a game to try to shake off the rust. If the run game isn’t working and they need to rely on Wilson’s arm against their secondary, things could look rough.

Oh I have no doubt that Wilson is going to look terrible against the Jets. The OL is destroyed, the Jets secondary is terrific and their WRs can't get separation. I'd put the over/under line for Jets sacks at 5.

The only way they win is if they abuse the Jets bad rush defense and don't have Wilson pass the ball much. Asking a rusty Wilson to carry the team with his arm against the Jets secondary with this OL and WR group is going to be a disaster.

 

[WickedWrister]

We need someone that can separate and win underneath, not another contested catch specialist. I'd only be interested at an extreme discount.

Christian Kirk and Calvin Ridley's contracts kinda suck, but that's the prototype of guy I'd be looking for.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Also, re the other 52 members of the roster

Chris Boswell Is On Pace To Make NFL History

If it feels like Pittsburgh Steelers kicker Chris Boswell is putting the ball through the uprights at a historic pace this season, you’d be right. Through six games, Boswell has been a busy man. An effective one, too. He’s made 16-of-17 field goals, only missing from 62 yards on an end-of-half...

steelersdepot.com

I love Boz, but in a way I hate him. He is the enabler of Tomlin ball. Just look at 2018 when Boz was injured- Tomlin refused to change up his game plan and the Steelers went on a season-killing losing streak (including the embarrassing Raiders loss). Tomlin wanted to win with field goals even with a pre arm injury Ben and a much better overall offense.

If the Steelers would have had a Josh Scobee level kicker instead of Boswell, Tomlin would have been forced to either change his philosophy to emphasize scoring touchdowns or suffer a string of losing seasons. Boswell lets Tomlin be Tomlin.

 

[Peat]

I love Boz, but in a way I hate him. He is the enabler of Tomlin ball. Just look at 2018 when Boz was injured- Tomlin refused to change up his game plan and the Steelers went on a season-killing losing streak (including the embarrassing Raiders loss). Tomlin wanted to win with field goals even with a pre arm injury Ben and a much better overall offense.

If the Steelers would have had a Josh Scobee level kicker instead of Boswell, Tomlin would have been forced to either change his philosophy to emphasize scoring touchdowns or suffer a string of losing seasons. Boswell lets Tomlin be Tomlin.

Well yeah, there's a lot of truth to that.

And while that record would be cool for Boz, it's pretty much a record you never want the team to have.

 

[Pengwins]

so now the Jets are trading Mike Williams. If we dont get him or somebody else within a week or 2 im gonna flip my lid

 

[WickedWrister]

Maybe I'm just seeing my own little echo chamber on twitter but the general consensus from people seems to be disagreement or confusion with the decision to bench Fields, and then Mark Kaboly applauding the move

 

[ImporterExporter]

so now the Jets are trading Mike Williams. If we dont get him or somebody else within a week or 2 im gonna flip my lid

You do realize a better WR isn't really a need on a team that doesn't throw the ball much.

I mean, can we use an upgrade? Sure. But getting Christian Kirk or Hopkins or Williams isn't going to unlock some sort of portal to a lot more points.

Tomlin is the problem and the man he hired to run the offense is an extension of that. A guy who got fired in Atlanta, who misused Bijan Robinson. Who misused Kyle Pitts. Who's entire rep came from a prime Derek Henry and stellar OL in front of him, things we don't have.

This franchise is a mess because of Art Rooney deuce and his blind loyalty to a coach who hasn't won a playoff game since BARACK was in the white house.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Maybe I'm just seeing my own little echo chamber on twitter but the general consensus from people seems to be disagreement or confusion with the decision to bench Fields, and then Mark Kaboly applauding the move

Yeah I think it's really odd to decide to go with the pocket passer over the scrambler considering the strengths of the Jets. But it's not unusual that Tomlin doesn't make smart tactical decisions, so I'm not surprised.

It would make a lot more sense to me to give Fields up until the bye week and let Wilson take over after the bye, if you're going to go to Wilson eventually.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

It would make a lot more sense to me to give Fields up until the bye week and let Wilson take over after the bye, if you're going to go to Wilson eventually.

That's an outstanding point here. If you're gonna make a significant change, best do it during the bye.

Or maybe Tomlin is playing mind games with JF and this is the shot across his bow that he needs to play better?

 

[pistolpete11]

I'm kinda torn on Wilson starting, too, if that's what the plan is.

I think seeing how the offense operates with Wilson tells us something about Fields.

On the other, I think Wilson would have got killed last week and I don't care how they spin it to him, benching him is a hit to his confidence. If they have to go back to him, what's his head going to be like?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

You do realize a better WR isn't really a need on a team that doesn't throw the ball much.

I mean, can we use an upgrade? Sure. But getting Christian Kirk or Hopkins or Williams isn't going to unlock some sort of portal to a lot more points.

Tomlin is the problem and the man he hired to run the offense is an extension of that. A guy who got fired in Atlanta, who misused Bijan Robinson. Who misused Kyle Pitts. Who's entire rep came from a prime Derek Henry and stellar OL in front of him, things we don't have.

This franchise is a mess because of Art Rooney deuce and his blind loyalty to a coach who hasn't won a playoff game since BARACK was in the white house.

How did he misuse Pitts? Pitts is close to bust territory he was the most targeted skill player not named London.
They were interested in Williams in fa he has 10 catches for the jets. Another wr will help. RW can do similar things that Ryan did under smith in Atlanta

 

[TooManyHumans]

We need someone that can separate and win underneath, not another contested catch specialist. I'd only be interested at an extreme discount.

Christian Kirk and Calvin Ridley's contracts kinda suck, but that's the prototype of guy I'd be looking for.

Kirk is definitely someone they should inquire about.

 

[Peat]

Maybe I'm just seeing my own little echo chamber on twitter but the general consensus from people seems to be disagreement or confusion with the decision to bench Fields, and then Mark Kaboly applauding the move

Nah, seems to be the case most places. General consensus seems to be that they think Wilson will die behind this line and the team doesn't have the WRs to make it worth having Wilson's vision over Fields' legs.

And most of the people who don't disagree view this as a case of 'why not try him since Fields isn't really making it work' rather than actual enthusiasm for Wilson.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I'm kinda torn on Wilson starting, too, if that's what the plan is.

I think seeing how the offense operates with Wilson tells us something about Fields.

On the other, I think Wilson would have got killed last week and I don't care how they spin it to him, benching him is a hit to his confidence. If they have to go back to him, what's his head going to be like?

RW gets the ball out faster then Fields. They can use rpo hit on slants and curls like they did with Mason. Fields doesn’t attack the seems or take anything in front him.
We were the only team willing to give fields a chance to compete for the starting spot and he didn’t close the door on Wilson while he was playing

Nah, seems to be the case most places. General consensus seems to be that they think Wilson will die behind this line and the team doesn't have the WRs to make it worth having Wilson's vision over Fields' legs.

And most of the people who don't disagree view this as a case of 'why not try him since Fields isn't really making it work' rather than actual enthusiasm for Wilson.

The offense will be different they will call more slants and screens under RW. Ca3 and muth will be featured more. We will see a ton of roll out dump offs to Washington and heyward

 

[xlm34]

RW gets the ball out faster then Fields. They can use rpo hit on slants and curls like they did with Mason. Fields doesn’t attack the seems or take anything in front him.
We were the only team willing to give fields a chance to compete for the starting spot and he didn’t close the door on Wilson while he was playing


The offense will be different they will call more slants and screens under RW. Ca3 and muth will be featured more. We will see a ton of roll out dump offs to Washington and heyward

Not really. His time to throw has always hovered around 3 seconds and the quick game has never been his strong suit which is why Payton hated him.

He runs around a lot and either throws deep or checks it down. There was no in between with him last year.

 

[xlm34]