OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Off Season We dont need a QB Edition

[bigdaddyk88]

Emmanowari is the 21st guy on the list at the Grinding the Mocks website, so right on the cusp if the media is to be believed. So I think he could be there. Makes sense to me given that Safety isn't exactly a premium position. Which is also why I'd kind of hope not.

While safety might not be a premium position a safety who plays nickel like Branch and Dejean would probably be appealing to the Steelers. Minka is going to be 30 when he deal is up. Elliott is a FA who will want a decent raise next year. Emmanowari is mocked often to Bmore to play with hamelton

 

[bigdaddyk88]

There have been a lot of bad, disingenuous posts in the history of this message board and of the Internet. This is top 3.

Mitch started over KP and Sanders is rated lower than Pickett. Dart needs a redshirt year wherever he is drafted because of the college offense he was in.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Oh I can infer a clear round 1 target. It's called trade down.

Joking/not joking. Don't know what happens if they don't get a good offer...

Yeah the clearly hope to trade down and get at least another 3rd

 

[MrBrightside]

Mitch started over KP and Sanders is rated lower than Pickett. Dart needs a redshirt year wherever he is drafted because of the college offense he was in.

I'm in no way an advocate of drafting Sanders but to argue that the Steelers' QB room isn't a mess because Rudolph and Thompson have started playoff games is just...something.

 

[Peat]

Mitch started over KP and Sanders is rated lower than Pickett. Dart needs a redshirt year wherever he is drafted because of the college offense he was in.

I'm in no way an advocate of drafting Sanders but to argue that the Steelers' QB room isn't a mess because Rudolph and Thompson have started playoff games is just...something.

I think the part where he ignored the criticism of the Steelers QB room not being a mess to instead focus on Sanders/Dart not being day 1 starters is my favourite part.

While safety might not be a premium position a safety who plays nickel like Branch and Dejean would probably be appealing to the Steelers. Minka is going to be 30 when he deal is up. Elliott is a FA who will want a decent raise next year. Emmanowari is mocked often to Bmore to play with hamelton

Yes, I know all that. I still don't want Emmanowari.

 

[xlm34]

Oh I can infer a clear round 1 target. It's called trade down.

Joking/not joking. Don't know what happens if they don't get a good offer...

A trade down just seems so tough in this draft, especially IF they do want a QB. Feels like a trade in the back half of a first would be a team coming back up for a QB that falls.

Outside of that, this draft is one where the quantity of picks is probably more valuable than the quality of the picks.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I'm in no way an advocate of drafting Sanders but to argue that the Steelers' QB room isn't a mess because Rudolph and Thompson have started playoff games is just...something.

This is how you reach for Qbs. The giants gm just said with RW and Winston they don’t need to draft a qb 3rd over all

 

[bigdaddyk88]

A trade down just seems so tough in this draft, especially IF they do want a QB. Feels like a trade in the back half of a first would be a team coming back up for a QB that falls.

Outside of that, this draft is one where the quantity of picks is probably more valuable than the quality of the picks.

Teams like Buffalo Bmore and Philly will want tp trade up plus teams coming back into round 1 for Qb. If you make it seem like you’re interested maybe a team calls you to trade up on draft day

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Yeah, that would be a D draft…I don’t mind if they take Sanders at #21 but they really need to try to get another day 2 pick and the rest of the picks don’t really jive with who they brought in for top 30 visits

They had Sampson and Roberts in for Top 30s. Same with Shedeur. Bruener is Mark Bruener's kid, Mark is a scout for the Steelers. I'm sure they have met the kid and he is a 7th.

Not everyone you bring in for top 30 visits will be there when they pick. Phillips makes sense from a value perspective. Plus he is an ex wrestler. We know Tomlin has spies in an around Washington where he grew up, so a regional scout could give the info on him. Empoleon's analysis and suggestion of Pegues makes sense as well.

Dike is the one guy that stands out.

On Brugler's mock:

Harmon is gone but the next 4 after they take Sanders are very interesting, Grant, Will Johnson, Barron and Nolen are all still there. Obviously they didn't bring any of them in for a Top 30 visit, so it is hard to mock them. If I had to guess who they would choose, it would be Will Johnson because I can see Tomlin liking his swagger. If it was up to me, I'd take Barron.

Walking the rest of the mock, I would have rather seen them take Jacob Parrish(CB) at #83 and DJ Giddens(RB) at #123. But they didn't have Parrish in for a Top 30 visit. Roberts at #156 is fine, though I fear he could be another Leal. He is light for a 3-4DE and heavy for an Edge. He does seem to have the demeanor, so maybe he could add a few lbs.

If they would rather go DL at #83, then Caldwell was available. Top 30 visit guy and he fills a need at NT.

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[Empoleon8771]

I've said this a bunch of times, but I think their strategy is either Harmon at #21 or trading down a few slots to take a QB at like #26-#30. I don't really see many other scenarios that make more sense than this with who they have had for visits.

So it's either something like:

#21: Harmon (DT)
#83: Sampson (RB)
#123: McCord (QB)

Or do something like #21 to Baltimore for #27 and #91 and something like:

#27: Dart or Sanders (QB)
#83: Sampson (RB)
#91: Caldwell (DT)
#123: CB, DL or WR

 

[MrBrightside]

Russini: Steelers Have No Idea if Aaron Rodgers is Going to Sign

Insider Dianna Russini of The Athletic reports the Pittsburgh Steelers still have no idea if Aaron Rodgers is going to sign with them.

steelersnow.com

 

[xlm34]

I've said this a bunch of times, but I think their strategy is either Harmon at #21 or trading down a few slots to take a QB at like #26-#30. I don't really see many other scenarios that make more sense than this with who they have had for visits.

So it's either something like:

#21: Harmon (DT)
#83: Sampson (RB)
#123: McCord (QB)

Or do something like #21 to Baltimore for #27 and #91 and something like:

#27: Dart or Sanders (QB)
#83: Sampson (RB)
#91: Caldwell (DT)
#123: CB, DL or WR

I just can’t see them doing a trade back if they decide they do want one of these QBs in round one. If you don’t like them enough to take them at 21 or if you’re willing to risk trading back and missing out on them, you probably just shouldn’t take them at all in round one.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Austin was a Grants pro day. Apparently Nolan didn’t do much work on his pro day

 

[Empoleon8771]

I just can’t see them doing a trade back if they decide they do want one of these QBs in round one. If you don’t like them enough to take them at 21 or if you’re willing to risk trading back and missing out on them, you probably just shouldn’t take them at all in round one.

I don't think they are really at risk of missing out on those guys by trading back, though.

 

[pistolpete11]

Russini: Steelers Have No Idea if Aaron Rodgers is Going to Sign

Insider Dianna Russini of The Athletic reports the Pittsburgh Steelers still have no idea if Aaron Rodgers is going to sign with them.

steelersnow.com

If Rodgers were to not sign before the draft on April 24, the Steelers would almost be forced to address quarterback earlier on than if he were to sign with just Mason Rudolph and Skyler Thompson under contract for 2025.

Whether Rodgers signs or not should not have any affect on their draft. If there's a QB you like, take him. If there isn't, don't. If he doesn't sign and you don't like the QBs in the draft, then just sign Wentz, Bridgewtaer, Huntley, etc.

It's an arbitrary line because it shouldn't affect the draft, but I think they should use the draft as a line in the sand with Rodgers. Shit or get off the pot.

 

[xlm34]

I don't think they are really at risk of missing out on those guys by trading back, though.

Unless the Browns or Giants trade back up. They may not be able to move to the middle of the first, but I don’t think a team in the late twenties would mind moving down a few spots for an extra pick.

I don’t know. QB is too important of a position to play around with.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Russini: Steelers Have No Idea if Aaron Rodgers is Going to Sign

Insider Dianna Russini of The Athletic reports the Pittsburgh Steelers still have no idea if Aaron Rodgers is going to sign with them.

steelersnow.com

Can he just f*** off and retire already?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Unless the Browns or Giants trade back up. They may not be able to move to the middle of the first, but I don’t think a team in the late twenties would mind moving down a few spots for an extra pick.

I don’t know. QB is too important of a position to play around with.

That 5th year option is extremely important especially for QBs who you already know need to redshirt. Dart Sanders Milroe

 

[Empoleon8771]

Unless the Browns or Giants trade back up. They may not be able to move to the middle of the first, but I don’t think a team in the late twenties would mind moving down a few spots for an extra pick.

I don’t know. QB is too important of a position to play around with.

I think there are 4 QBs who could be going in the late 1st/early 2nd between Sanders, Dart, Milroe and Shough. I wouldn't be all that worried about missing out on them to trade down.

If you somehow do, just trade down further and look closer at some of the day 2 guys you'd been looking at.

 

[WickedWrister]

Oh I can infer a clear round 1 target. It's called trade down.

Joking/not joking. Don't know what happens if they don't get a good offer...

I think I've mentioned this before but since 2000, the Steelers have only traded back in the 1st round one time - in 2001 from pick 16 to 19 to take Casey Hampton. Moved up in the first round 4 times. I know Khan is not Colbert, and maybe the 2026 projected comp pick scenario indicates he's thinking about this avenue more than his predecessor (although I tend to think it was just an unusual situation with so many impending FA's at the same time)... but I'll believe it when I see it. It just feels like this team always has a strong preference on their big board and is rarely willing to trade back within the same tier.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Shedeur Sanders draws Daniel Jones comparison from Colorado OC Pat Shurmur

Pat Shurmur is a big believer in Shedeur Sanders and compared him to another first-round quarterback he used to coach with the Giants, Daniel Jones.

www.usatoday.com

This comparison makes me significantly less inclined to take Sanders

All of this QB talk makes me more inclined to trade up to make sure I get Harmon tbh

 

[TooManyHumans]

Right. They aren't "Top-30" visits. They are simply allowed 30 visits and it is clear if you look at all 30 players brought in that they are not the top 30 players.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Right. They aren't "Top-30" visits. They are simply allowed 30 visits and it is clear if you look at all 30 players brought in that they are not the top 30 players.

Yeah but don't the Steelers usually use one of those visits on who they end up taking in the 1st round, though?

Found this on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F8mq3gjorldvc1.png

From 2021-2024, the Steelers 1st rounders all had those top-30 visits. The last 2 years were especially so with that, they had Jones, Porter Jr, Benton, Washington and Rush in 2023 and Fautanu, Wilson, Frazier, McCormick and Bishop last year.

Based on what Khan has done so far, it's a pretty damn good bet that nearly half of their picks are going to be guys they had with top-30 visits.

 

[Peat]

I think I've mentioned this before but since 2000, the Steelers have only traded back in the 1st round one time - in 2001 from pick 16 to 19 to take Casey Hampton. Moved up 4 in the first round 4 times. I know Khan is not Colbert, and maybe the 2026 projected comp pick scenario indicates he's thinking about this avenue more than his predecessor (although I tend to think it was just an unusual situation with so many impending FA's at the same time)... but I'll believe it when I see it. It just feels like this team always has a strong preference on their big board and is rarely willing to trade back within the same tier.

I can't really argue with that but looking at their pre-draft activity, it feels like their big board is just very light on players expected to be there at 21 but not at, say, 26 - but very heavy on players expected to be there from 26-30 on.

Shedeur Sanders draws Daniel Jones comparison from Colorado OC Pat Shurmur

Pat Shurmur is a big believer in Shedeur Sanders and compared him to another first-round quarterback he used to coach with the Giants, Daniel Jones.

www.usatoday.com

This comparison makes me significantly less inclined to take Sanders

All of this QB talk makes me more inclined to trade up to make sure I get Harmon tbh

I know I shouldn't be surprised but the percentage of actual comparisons between Jones and Sanders there is roughly equivalent to the percentage of Jones' career where he's looked like a good NFL starter - near zero.

Whether Rodgers signs or not should not have any affect on their draft. If there's a QB you like, take him. If there isn't, don't. If he doesn't sign and you don't like the QBs in the draft, then just sign Wentz, Bridgewtaer, Huntley, etc.

It's an arbitrary line because it shouldn't affect the draft, but I think they should use the draft as a line in the sand with Rodgers. Shit or get off the pot.

It shouldn't but I worry it will affect things.

I also think that if Rodgers doesn't sign and they don't draft a QB high, the Steelers trading for Cousins becomes a pretty real possibility.