OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: No 3peat for the Swifts

[xlm34]

This isn't just about last year. They haven't landed a big contract on offense in AGES. I seriously cannot remember 1 guy on offense they brought in.

I provided examples on defense over the years, but there are no examples on the other side of the ball. I stand by that there is an obvious pattern, but some people refuse to believe it.

And again, if Deshon Elliot is a “big” free agency signing then so is Cordarelle Patterson. If Ogunjobi is a big free agent signing, then so is Seumalo.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Call me stupid if you want, but I'd rather sign Kirk for no assets than trade assets for Metcalf tbh

Not stupid at all. Especially considering the Steelers Wr2 is just window dressing. They don't use him in Smith/Tomlin's offense.

If this team were super serious about maximizing Smith's philosophy, they'd find a pure receiving TE. But the Steelers love their "jack of all trades, master of none" TE's/WR/RBs. So said TE needs to know how to block or some such nonsense. It's no wonder this offense continues to blow.

 

[JTG]

Not stupid at all. Especially considering the Steelers Wr2 is just window dressing. They don't use him in Smith/Tomlin's offense.

If this team were super serious about maximizing Smith's philosophy, they'd find a pure receiving TE. But the Steelers love their "jack of all trades, master of none" TE's/WR/RBs. So said TE needs to know how to block or some such nonsense. It's no wonder this offense continues to blow.

I feel like Ty Warren is Artie's wet dream as a player.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

And again, if Deshon Elliot is a “big” free agency signing then so is Cordarelle Patterson. If Ogunjobi is a big free agent signing, then so is Seumalo.

You've thrown out 1 dude on defense who I named that I was incorrect on with $$ and you keep hammering it home. And it still doesn't negate my theory.

Oh and they traded a starting WR for, wait for it...a defensive player.
Pat Queen also says hi.

 

[xlm34]

You've thrown out 1 dude on defense who I named that I was incorrect on with $$ and you keep hammering it home. And it still doesn't negate my theory.

Oh and they traded a starting WR for, wait for it...a defensive player.
Pat Queen also says hi.

Ok so answer my question since you aren’t happy about what they did last year spending wise. What should they have done? What spending happened on defense that prevented them from doing something on offense?

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Ok so answer my question since you aren’t happy about what they did last year spending wise. What should they have done? What spending happened on defense that prevented them from doing something on offense?

You're misinterpreting my post. This isn't about "preventing them" from spending on offense. I'm also not focused on just last year.

I'm stating that it appears all the efforts to plug any perceived holes get priority on defense, but not on offense. Which coincidently happened last year. I don't have an alternate reality time machine, but I'd bet any money the Steelers don't go into last season without a CB2 or an off the ball LB like they did without a Wr2. Tomlin would not let that happen. But since it's the offense, shoulders are shrugged and it's "make due with what you have"

And there will come a time (probably not this year or even the next few) that they are gonna have to pay a QB big dollars. I don't want any long term defensive commitments that will then prevent them from signing said QB. Because if Tomlin is still the coach and there are choices to be made, he's going to prioritize the other side of the ball.

 

[pistolpete11]

If he 100% wanted to be a Steeler, I’m pretty sure he would have signed already.

There is also no guarantee he isn’t a train wreck under Tomlin and their anemic offense.

I can’t argue with you about the Jets, because they are the Jets and cursed.

But throwing to an emerging superstar like Nabers has to be way more appealing than the Steelers collection of whatevers and a head case who can’t run routes well.

I doubt any QB in the league would want Pickens over Nabers.

"If it's going to happen, it would have happened by now" is one of my biggest pet peeves.

I'm sure he doesn't want to 100% be a Steeler at any cost and instead will weigh the contracts and opportunities he has based on any number of factors.

 

[Peat]

You're misinterpreting my post. This isn't about "preventing them" from spending on offense. I'm also not focused on just last year.

I'm stating that it appears all the efforts to plug any perceived holes get priority on defense, but not on offense. Which coincidently happened last year. I don't have an alternate reality time machine, but I'd bet any money the Steelers don't go into last season without a CB2 or an off the ball LB like they did without a Wr2. Tomlin would not let that happen. But since it's the offense, shoulders are shrugged and it's "make due with what you have"

And there will come a time (probably not this year or even the next few) that they are gonna have to pay a QB big dollars. I don't want any long term defensive commitments that will then prevent them from signing said QB. Because if Tomlin is still the coach and there are choices to be made, he's going to prioritize the other side of the ball.

They just went into last season with a rookie UDFA starting NCB. Other recent glaring holes in the starting line up include whichever of Neal and Kazee was starting safety that day, Levi Wallace's stint at CB2, whichever of Wormley and a 35 year old Alualu was DL3 along with Maulet at NCB that same season.

So there's been holes left unfixed.

And as xlm has pointed out, recent UFA spending shows fairly similar spending on offence as on defence minus their current record UFA in Queen.

And Tomlin was HC in 2017 when the Steelers led the league in offensive spending.

And of course there's the recent heavy emphasis on offence in the draft, which is at the very least as good a guide as to which side of the ball gets priority.

I do not see a pattern of the defence getting all the goodies and the offence getting nothing. I see poor usage of the assets they've spent on offence, and an unwillingness to use FA as a balancer which is just deep rooted org philosophy at this point, but not a pattern of neglect.

 

[Andy99]

Sadly, it’s hard to disagree with any of this…lol

Mark Madden: Bargain shopping Steelers likely to again make mediocre moves during free agency

NFL free agency starts March 12. That’s not far off. But there’s no reason to be excited about what the Steelers will do. Because they won’t do anything. Not until the first wave subsides. Then the Steelers will do their usual bargain shopping. The Steelers have a little over $60

triblive.com

 

[xlm34]

They just went into last season with a rookie UDFA starting NCB. Other recent glaring holes in the starting line up include whichever of Neal and Kazee was starting safety that day, Levi Wallace's stint at CB2, whichever of Wormley and a 35 year old Alualu was DL3 along with Maulet at NCB that same season.

So there's been holes left unfixed.

And as xlm has pointed out, recent UFA spending shows fairly similar spending on offence as on defence minus their current record UFA in Queen.

And Tomlin was HC in 2017 when the Steelers led the league in offensive spending.

And of course there's the recent heavy emphasis on offence in the draft, which is at the very least as good a guide as to which side of the ball gets priority.

I do not see a pattern of the defence getting all the goodies and the offence getting nothing. I see poor usage of the assets they've spent on offence, and an unwillingness to use FA as a balancer which is just deep rooted org philosophy at this point, but not a pattern of neglect.

And even with Queen as a fair point, they were willing to spend 26+ million on a contract for Aiyuk last year. Khan just didn’t get it done.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

"If it's going to happen, it would have happened by now" is one of my biggest pet peeves.

I'm sure he doesn't want to 100% be a Steeler at any cost and instead will weigh the contracts and opportunities he has based on any number of factors.

That’s literally the point. He has no incentive to sign with the Steelers more than any other team.

So he’s in no rush to sign.

There is no big X factor why Fields would come to the Steelers.

- Have a shitty O for years
- The skill players collections are one of the worst in the league
- Haven’t won a playoff game in 8 yrs

Giants:

- have an emerging superstar wr in Nabers
- Mahomes credited Kafka with being instrumental in his success and he was a rising star in KC
- won a playoff game only a couple yrs ago where Jones tossed for over 300 yards

I don’t see any big advantage the Steelers have here.

 

[pistolpete11]

Steelers had dirt cheap QBs and LT, RT, WR1, and C on rookie deals.

That’s literally the point. He has no incentive to sign with the Steelers more than any other team.

So he’s in no rush to sign.

There is no big X factor why Fields would come to the Steelers.

- Have a shitty O for years
- The skill players collections are one of the worst in the league
- Haven’t won a playoff game in 8 yrs

Giants:

- have an emerging superstar wr in Nabers
- Mahomes credited Kafka with being instrumental in his success and he was a rising star in KC
- won a playoff game only a couple yrs ago where Jones tossed for over 300 yards

If a guy hasn’t signed by now, it’s obvious he wants to weigh his options.

lol, k, bro.

"He would have signed by now!!1" is different than "he's weighing his options"

 

[xlm34]

The Giants don’t make much sense for a QB that wants a clear path to start the entire year. They haven’t hid their intentions about trying to trade up for Ward.

If Fields struggles at all in that situation, a coaching staff on the hot seat is gonna pull the trigger on replacing him really quickly.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Not stupid at all. Especially considering the Steelers Wr2 is just window dressing. They don't use him in Smith/Tomlin's offense.

If this team were super serious about maximizing Smith's philosophy, they'd find a pure receiving TE. But the Steelers love their "jack of all trades, master of none" TE's/WR/RBs. So said TE needs to know how to block or some such nonsense. It's no wonder this offense continues to blow.

That not true Smith in Atlanta and in Tennessee used multiple wr. In Tennessee he had Davis and brown. In Atlanta he had Gage Jones in year 1 and in year 2 he used Pitts as a flex wr 2 with London

The giants need to hit at Qb to save the jobs of the oc and gm they are not going anywhere near Fields

 

[bigdaddyk88]

You're misinterpreting my post. This isn't about "preventing them" from spending on offense. I'm also not focused on just last year.

I'm stating that it appears all the efforts to plug any perceived holes get priority on defense, but not on offense. Which coincidently happened last year. I don't have an alternate reality time machine, but I'd bet any money the Steelers don't go into last season without a CB2 or an off the ball LB like they did without a Wr2. Tomlin would not let that happen. But since it's the offense, shoulders are shrugged and it's "make due with what you have"

And there will come a time (probably not this year or even the next few) that they are gonna have to pay a QB big dollars. I don't want any long term defensive commitments that will then prevent them from signing said QB. Because if Tomlin is still the coach and there are choices to be made, he's going to prioritize the other side of the ball.

By the time they have to pay real money for Qbs TJ and Cam will be gone. Even if you hit on a rookie in 26 they don’t make money until 31
Khan had no play b after Ayiuk fell through the 1st outside fa they sign will be a wr. Godwin Diggs Slayton.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If the Giants trade up to #1 to draft Ward, I'm curious for where that leaves Tennessee in the QB situation. They also really need a QB because Levis sucks, but passing on Ward makes me really unsure of what they'd do. Would they be a primary team in on Darnold to give him a multi year deal? I can see a match there if they've completely given up on Levis.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Steelers had dirt cheap QBs and LT, RT, WR1, and C on rookie deals.

lol, k, bro.

"He would have signed by now!!1" is different than "he's weighing his options"

Ya “bro” because no FA has ever signed before the tampering period before.

I wrote if he was “100% committed to being a Steeler”.

Pending FAs who are all the way in on their current org don’t reach the tampering period. They are at peace without seeing what other offers they can get.

That doesn’t mean he won’t circle back to them and sign.

 

[WickedWrister]

If the Giants trade up to #1 to draft Ward, I'm curious for where that leaves Tennessee in the QB situation. They also really need a QB because Levis sucks, but passing on Ward makes me really unsure of what they'd do. Would they be a primary team in on Darnold to give him a multi year deal? I can see a match there if they've completely given up on Levis.

They probably take whoever is left between Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter in that scenario. Kick the can down the road a year if they don't like Cam Ward enough to be the 1.01.

 

[Empoleon8771]

They probably take whoever is left between Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter.

I meant what the Titans would do at QB, I was imagining that's what they'd do with the pick.

 

[TimmyD]

If the Giants trade up to #1 to draft Ward, I'm curious for where that leaves Tennessee in the QB situation. They also really need a QB because Levis sucks, but passing on Ward makes me really unsure of what they'd do. Would they be a primary team in on Darnold to give him a multi year deal? I can see a match there if they've completely given up on Levis.

I would think they would ride with Levis for next season and then draft a guy next year when the QB group is supposed to be better.

 

[WickedWrister]

I meant what the Titans would do at QB, I was imagining that's what they'd do with the pick.

Either give Levis another year or take a flier on Dart with their early 2nd just like they did two years ago. Or go bargain shopping in FA.

Neither really seem like desirable options but I'm assuming they'd have the Giants 2026 1st in this trade back which is a super valuable trade chip.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I would think they would ride with Levis for next season and then draft a guy next year when the QB group is supposed to be better.

Yeah it's just weird to me to pass up on Ward, who seems like a very good but not great QB prospect, and hope you can be in a position to draft a better QB next year. Then again, Tennessee's roster is awful so maybe they think they'll be in contention for Manning next year.

Either give Levis another year or take a flier on Dart with their early 2nd just like they did two years ago. Or go bargain shopping in FA.

Neither really seem like desirable options but I'm assuming they'd have the Giants 2026 1st in this trade back which is a super valuable trade chip.

I think the speculation I've seen is that it would be #1 for #3 and a collection of day 2 picks.

 

[Peat]

If the Giants trade up to #1 to draft Ward, I'm curious for where that leaves Tennessee in the QB situation. They also really need a QB because Levis sucks, but passing on Ward makes me really unsure of what they'd do. Would they be a primary team in on Darnold to give him a multi year deal? I can see a match there if they've completely given up on Levis.

Last I read is they were hoping to make it work with Levis. Which is a kind of win-win of either he's the answer or you're picking high again. Wouldn't be surprised if they did something else, but I think the state of their roster makes getting aggressive unattractive.

I'm now idly wondering if Darnold ends up with the Colts. Most of the teams that need a QB this year are not blessed with surrounding talent. The Colts do have that though. They also have Richardson on paper, but I can imagine them being ready to pull the plug on that.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Last I read is they were hoping to make it work with Levis. Which is a kind of win-win of either he's the answer or you're picking high again. Wouldn't be surprised if they did something else, but I think the state of their roster makes getting aggressive unattractive.

I'm now idly wondering if Darnold ends up with the Colts. Most of the teams that need a QB this year are not blessed with surrounding talent. The Colts do have that though. They also have Richardson on paper, but I can imagine them being ready to pull the plug on that.

colts want to bring in competition for Richardson Sam is probably more than competition. The Titans could go Howard or a Qb round 2 or 3 to compete with Levis

 

[Empoleon8771]

Last I read is they were hoping to make it work with Levis. Which is a kind of win-win of either he's the answer or you're picking high again. Wouldn't be surprised if they did something else, but I think the state of their roster makes getting aggressive unattractive.

I'm now idly wondering if Darnold ends up with the Colts. Most of the teams that need a QB this year are not blessed with surrounding talent. The Colts do have that though. They also have Richardson on paper, but I can imagine them being ready to pull the plug on that.

Yeah that makes sense, I'm just not sure why they'd pass on Ward to do that. They must just not view Ward as that good or view the 2026 QBs as far better than Ward. I thought Ward looked like a good QB prospect so I'm a bit interested in hearing why they think that.