OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: No 3peat for the Swifts

[Coastal Kev]

On it's face, Stafford is worth a 1st.
But for the Steelers, that's a dumb move for a couple of reasons:

1. They need their 1st pick to be a homerun so they can build a strong team around a QB, who will surely be neutered by Tomlin
2. Having Stafford will ensure another NHALS for the short term. But it's a myopic move. This team doesn't let it's QB play ball so paying a 1st for any QB on this team is silly. They essentially want a handoff monkey. Gonna pay a premium pick for Stafford to hand the ball off 30 times?

it would be a historic terrible decision, that would sacrifice competing for a championship in the future for trying to provide tomlin/organization with a cheap playoff win (which they still won't get unless extremely lucky)

 

[JTG]

I am a "best player available" truther, but just looking at more mocks/draft evals, I really feel like DL in round 1 and RB in round 2 should be the move. You still have the potential to get best in class players at those positions with picks 20 and 52 (although it seems DT Mason Graham and RB Ashton Jeanty are consensus top 10 talents at this point).

Kenneth Grant and Walter Nolen seem like the next tier of DT's and are projected to go around pick 20.

One of Omarion Hampton, Judkins, Henderson, or Kaleb Johnson should be there with our 2nd round pick as well. I've said this so many times but pick ~50 really is the sweet spot for RB's and Centers.

That seems like the reasonable direction to me also. That's why when I look I'd rather have 2 picks from 33-70 than 21.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I am a "best player available" truther, but just looking at more mocks/draft evals, I really feel like DL in round 1 and RB in round 2 should be the move. You still have the potential to get best in class players at those positions with picks 20 and 52 (although it seems DT Mason Graham and RB Ashton Jeanty are consensus top 10 talents at this point).

Kenneth Grant and Walter Nolen seem like the next tier of DT's and are projected to go around pick 20.

One of Omarion Hampton, Judkins, Henderson, or Kaleb Johnson should be there with our 2nd round pick as well. I've said this so many times but pick ~50 really is the sweet spot for RB's and Centers.

I'm a Best available as well, sadly under Tomlin the Steelers are NOT>

 

[Goalie_Bob]

If Sanders and Ward are falling to the 10th range or later, I want this team to be trading up to get one of them.

I don’t. They are 2nd round talents in a good draft. And DJ isn’t saying they will last til 10 just that he has them ranked as the 10th and 15th best prospects in a draft where a few analysts are saying that there are only about 12 bonified 1st round talents.

NFL Draft Buzz has Ward's closest comparison as Nix and Sanders' as Penix, so yeah I'd probably say so.

I think they have them backwards. Ward has a good arm like Penix. Though I would contend it is not that good. Ward is like Jameis Winston. He thinks he can just throw the ball into any window.

Sanders is more like Nix or even Kenny Pickett. He does not have any elite skills but is a good processor and he tries hard. One difference between him and KP is that he will stand in the pocket and take a hit to make a throw. If his name was Sean Smith from Nebraska I’m convinced he would go in the 2nd-4th round.

Teams are so hard up for QBs they both will be way over drafted.

 

[ChaosAgent]

NFL team submits proposal to ban the 'tush push'

The play, made most famous by the Philadelphia Eagles, is a short-yardage quarterback sneak in which he's shoved forward by teammates from behind.

www.nbcnews.com

Beyond this play, ban all of the linemen pushing ball carriers forward. This has run rampant since the Matt Leinart/Reggie Bush push for USC 20 years ago.

You're a ball carrier or you're a blocker. You can't be a pusher. This isn't rugby. The play Philly dominates with is egregious, but the 8 yard gains becoming 12 yard gains because 330 lb linemen push the ballcarrier against 220 lb safeties is absurd. Get rid of all of it.
I'm not trying to nullify how great Philly is, that they were clearly within the rules, etc. This play just makes football worse.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

2026 cap is looking to be close to 295m, Jets can easily eat AR dead money over the next two years.

Kaboly called Art Smith and Wilson last off season, so he obviously has legit sources.

Rumors are persisting AR2 prefers Wilson, and I’m sure Tomlin wants back the guy who will give him the best chance at hitting 9-8, which is Wilson.

Tomlin clearly doesn’t trust Fields.

None of this matters anyway, but it’s good for a few laughs how Steeler fans are hotly debating them signing back a bust or cooked QB.

Tomlin Purgatory.

Dark times indeed.

Yes kaboly is getting feed information from RW camp. There’s reports he didn’t have any zip on his passes and was terrible in practice down the stretch. There’s reports coaches wanted to bench him but Tomlin said no. After the playoff loss RW lost Tomlin.

Multiple reports said RW is a big headache and Tomlin had to step in. The report said Tomlin laughed at them saying Ben would have killed you. You have to run RW offense just you have to run Rodgers offense

 

[JTG]

NFL team submits proposal to ban the 'tush push'

The play, made most famous by the Philadelphia Eagles, is a short-yardage quarterback sneak in which he's shoved forward by teammates from behind.

www.nbcnews.com

Beyond this play, ban all of the linemen pushing ball carriers forward. This has run rampant since the Matt Leinart/Reggie Bush push for USC 20 years ago.

You're a ball carrier or you're a blocker. You can't be a pusher. This isn't rugby. The play Philly dominates with is egregious, but the 8 yard gains becoming 12 yard gains because 330 lb linemen push the ballcarrier against 220 lb safeties is absurd. Get rid of all of it.
I'm not trying to nullify how great Philly is, that they were clearly within the rules, etc. This play just makes football worse.

My comeback to this is the "Player Safety" cry as they use a dude as a battering ram. It's going to take one of the RBs getting tripped up and a 340 lb lineman breaking his back in two from behind.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

After the playoff loss RW lost Tomlin.

Convenient that Tomlin has himself another scapegoat in RW when his defense gave up historically embarrassing numbers to the Ravens.

 

[ChaosAgent]

My comeback to this is the "Player Safety" cry as they use a dude as a battering ram. It's going to take one of the RBs getting tripped up and a 340 lb lineman breaking his back in two from behind.

I just think the pushing is intolerable. If you let linemen push a ball carrier 5 yards from behind, stop awarding forward progress when ball carriers get pushed back.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Convenient that Tomlin has himself another scapegoat in RW when his defense gave up historically embarrassing numbers to the Ravens.

If only the offense could show up in the first half in the playoffs

 

[Peat]

My comeback to this is the "Player Safety" cry as they use a dude as a battering ram. It's going to take one of the RBs getting tripped up and a 340 lb lineman breaking his back in two from behind.

Given how many rugby plays effectively end up as this without that injury pretty much ever happening that I'm aware of, I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon. A neck injury is more likely but even those remarkably rare. I very much doubt shoving players is any more risky than the NFL's core actions.

If people want to campaign against pushing for players from behind as it makes a worse football game, go for it. I don't have strong opinions but I do probably lean to the idea that they don't make good football. But safety? Very much doubt it.

 

[Pens x]

Good god, their msster plan cant be to run it back with Russ at QB? Pitiful if true. Hopefully the rumor is baseless.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Given how many rugby plays effectively end up as this without that injury pretty much ever happening that I'm aware of, I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon. A neck injury is more likely but even those remarkably rare. I very much doubt shoving players is any more risky than the NFL's core actions.

If people want to campaign against pushing for players from behind as it makes a worse football game, go for it. I don't have strong opinions but I do probably lean to the idea that they don't make good football. But safety? Very much doubt it.

It definitely messes up the c and dl back and knees. Kelce hated in while he was in Philly. You have to get extremely low to the ground diving your face into the dirt

 

[ChaosAgent]

Given how many rugby plays effectively end up as this without that injury pretty much ever happening that I'm aware of, I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon. A neck injury is more likely but even those remarkably rare. I very much doubt shoving players is any more risky than the NFL's core actions.

If people want to campaign against pushing for players from behind as it makes a worse football game, go for it. I don't have strong opinions but I do probably lean to the idea that they don't make good football. But safety? Very much doubt it.

I very much believe the pushing and rugby scrums make for a worse game and are another rules change favoring the offense. Arguably they improve safety though.

If the Steelers could ever run sneaks successfully, I suppose I would envy it less

 

[Peat]

I very much believe the pushing and rugby scrums make for a worse game and are another rules change favoring the offense. Arguably they improve safety though.

If the Steelers could ever run sneaks successfully, I suppose I would envy it less

Yeah. When I watch American Football, I'm watching to see people use the space and evading each other... not get in a big shoving match. I already have rugby for that and they do it a lot more impressively too - and even there I prefer it when it doesn't dominate a match.

Granted, we don't see it a lot, but if they want to remove it no skin off of my nose. And as mentioned, there's enough rules favouring the offence in NFL already.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

If only the offense could show up in the first half in the playoffs

Guess who the only constant has been during this pitiful playoff slide, with every playoff loss being the SOS, despite multiple OCs and QBs.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Guess who the only constant has been during this pitiful playoff slide, with every playoff loss being the SOS, despite multiple OCs and QBs.

Guess who’s going to be the HC for as long as he wants so might as well move on

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Guess who’s going to be the HC for as long as he wants so might as well move on

Nah, that’s a losers mindset and proves my exact point - Tomlin Purgatory has gotten so bad that many Steeler fans have resigned themselves to this nonsense.

There is a breaking point and it will come because fans and the media put overwhelming pressure on AR2.

 

[TimmyD]

The fact that one person on this board still fights tooth and nail to defend Mike Tomlin by talking about how the offense doesn’t show up in the playoffs when the team is playing offense exactly how Mike Tomlin wants them to play offense is really something.