OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: No 3peat for the Swifts

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Graziano: Steelers 'Feel Like They Can Build' On Justin Fields' 2024 Performance

The Pittsburgh Steelers’ top priority during the offseason is figuring out their quarterback plans for 2025 (bonus points if they can find a solution for the future as well). Will that mean running it back with QB Russell Wilson, who started the final 11 games of the regular season and the Wild...

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Hand off left, hand off right. Throw two yards on third and long and hope that the receiver can gain eight yards.

Fields could definately learn to handle that challenging game plan.

“The Steelers are trapped in this perpetual win now window”

Better known as “protect Tomlin’s win streak at all costs”.

f*** the future. f*** winning anything relevant.

Just put things together with duct tape and extend the most worthless streak in NFL history.

I wonder what we will be discussing next season at this time - the suspense is killing me…

 

[bigdaddyk88]

“The Steelers are trapped in this perpetual win now window”

Better known as “protect Tomlin’s win streak at all costs”.

f*** the future. f*** winning anything relevant.

Just put things together with duct tape and extend the most worthless streak in NFL history.

I wonder what we will be discussing next season at this time - the suspense is killing me…

What would like them to do at Qb. Most folks say it doesn’t matter if they go with Fields because Tomlin will still win 9-10 games

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Another Jussie Smollett/Myles Garret deal. f***ing disgusting

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

What would like them to do at Qb. Most folks say it doesn’t matter if they go with Fields because Tomlin will still win 9-10 games

I’ve already said I don’t give a left ball who is at QB. It won’t make a difference, especially with Tomlin.

Next season is another write off, but AR2 and Tomlin have this team trapped in purgatory protecting Tomlin’s worthless win streak.

Finish 9-8, 10-7, lose in the playoffs again. Never good enough to win a playoff game, never bad enough to draft a talented QB.

Just protect the streak at all costs - future be damned.

Rinse and repeat.

If you don’t think that’s the reality of things, you have been asleep the last 8 years.

Wilson, Fields broken down Rodgers, whomever they grab off the scrap heap isn’t getting them past Allen and Mahomes.

It’s time for reality - rebuild, trade off some vets, accrue draft capital, and move on from Tomlin.

Until AR2 hits the great reset, Tomlin Purgatory will endure.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Not surprising but I'm still very uncomfortable going into next year with Jones as their LT.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Irony.

Talking about not living in your fears and Tomlin built an entire career on it.

Steeler quarterbacks make the fewest throws to the middle of the field in the NFL because Tomlin is afraid of turnovers.

He won't change because his never a losing record streak is most of what he has now.

'Now It's Public:' Insider Reveals Why Mike Tomlin's Offenses Avoid Middle Of Field

Pittsburgh Steelers HC Mike Tomlin purports to adapt to his circumstances, and perhaps he does. Or at least, perhaps he thinks that is what he is doing. When he had Ben Roethlisberger at the peak of his powers, for example, he played much less conservatively. In his latter years, however, and...

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[xlm34]

Irony.

Talking about not living in your fears and Tomlin built an entire career on it.

Steeler quarterbacks make the fewest throws to the middle of the field in the NFL because Tomlin is afraid of turnovers.

He won't change because his never a losing record streak is most of what he has now.

'Now It's Public:' Insider Reveals Why Mike Tomlin's Offenses Avoid Middle Of Field

Pittsburgh Steelers HC Mike Tomlin purports to adapt to his circumstances, and perhaps he does. Or at least, perhaps he thinks that is what he is doing. When he had Ben Roethlisberger at the peak of his powers, for example, he played much less conservatively. In his latter years, however, and...

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Fun fact but the team that actually throws over the middle of the field the least just won the Super Bowl.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Fun fact but the team that actually throws over the middle of the field the least just won the Super Bowl.

Let me know when we have the next Barkley or a formidable running attack. Then you can avoid throwing MOF as an offense.

Point is that when you have such a pop gun offense (because Tomlin runs it), you have to be able to threaten defenses at all levels. Teams guard the boundary in the passing game on us and it shows. The only way we made any headway on offense was when RW went off script and audibled and started throwing MOF. Well Tomlin was upset about scoring too many points so he reeled that shit in really quick

 

[WickedWrister]

Jeremiah has us taking Jeanty at 21... would be pissed to miss out on McMillan by 2 picks

Daniel Jeremiah 2025 NFL mock draft 2.0: Steelers, Chargers, Vikings pick RBs in Round 1

 

[xlm34]

Jeremiah has us taking Jeanty at 21... would be pissed to miss out on McMillan by 2 picks

Daniel Jeremiah 2025 NFL mock draft 2.0: Steelers, Chargers, Vikings pick RBs in Round 1

DJ is the best when it comes to draft stuff and his mocks tend to be based on what he’s hearing, but it’s still wild to see 3 RBs in round one.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Let me know when we have the next Barkley or a formidable running attack. Then you can avoid throwing MOF as an offense.

Point is that when you have such a pop gun offense (because Tomlin runs it), you have to be able to threaten defenses at all levels. Teams guard the boundary in the passing game on us and it shows. The only way we made any headway on offense was when RW went off script and audibled and started throwing MOF. Well Tomlin was upset about scoring too many points so he reeled that shit in really quick

The eagles simply were stacked compared to everyone else this year. The defense dominated but the offense also was loaded with talent.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'd slam my head into a desk if they used a 1st on a RB, even though I think Jeanty would be a significant upgrade on Harris.

Then again, if the goal is to build like the Eagles, shouldn't you try to get something as close to Barkley as possible? If this team is going to be a run focused team, getting the best possible RB you can get is probably not a bad strategy.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Let me know when we have the next Barkley or a formidable running attack. Then you can avoid throwing MOF as an offense.

Point is that when you have such a pop gun offense (because Tomlin runs it), you have to be able to threaten defenses at all levels. Teams guard the boundary in the passing game on us and it shows. The only way we made any headway on offense was when RW went off script and audibled and started throwing MOF. Well Tomlin was upset about scoring too many points so he reeled that shit in really quick

The Eagles winning with their kind of passing offense was a massive outlier in their first two playoff games:

The Philadelphia Eagles’ Pass Offense Defies Modern Playoff History (and It May Not Matter)

How hard will it be for the Eagles to make the Super Bowl without more help from their passing game?

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However, their passing game opened up in the championship game and SB.

They also forced historical turnover numbers in the playoffs with 13 and had I believe only had 1 turnover.

Good luck ever repeating that again.

So ya, they are a massive outlier with a passing game that isn’t sustainable if they want to defend their title.

 

[Pens1566]

Jeanty is gonna end up looking more pedestrian when he's not playing against SE Idaho St week in and week out. Some team is REALLY going to regret using more than a 3rd on him.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Then again, if the goal is to build like the Eagles, shouldn't you try to get something as close to Barkley as possible? If this team is going to be a run focused team, getting the best possible RB you can get is probably not a bad strategy.

Well if you want to build like the Eagles, then you keep adding talent to the OL and DL.

Remember that Barkley was a FA that cost them a pretty penny. Investing in a heavy cap hit for a RB generally doesn't bode well. As others in subsequent posts have said, the Eagles' run this year was an absolute anomaly. Don't get me wrong, they have a ton of talent. But I don't think Hurts is an elite QB. Shows that you don't have to have a Mahommes or Allen or Burrow to win it all. It's harder mind you, but not impossible.

To your point on RB's its ok to spend a Rd 1 pick on one provided they are Lev Bell or Montgomery or CMac. Dynamic RB's yes. Plodders like Harris or even Jeanty - no way.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Well if you want to build like the Eagles, then you keep adding talent to the OL and DL.

Remember that Barkley was a FA that cost them a pretty penny. Investing in a heavy cap hit for a RB generally doesn't bode well. As others in subsequent posts have said, the Eagles' run this year was an absolute anomaly. Don't get me wrong, they have a ton of talent. But I don't think Hurts is an elite QB. Shows that you don't have to have a Mahommes or Allen or Burrow to win it all. It's harder mind you, but not impossible.

To your point on RB's its ok to spend a Rd 1 pick on one provided they are Lev Bell or Montgomery or CMac. Dynamic RB's yes. Plodders like Harris or even Jeanty - no way.

I think it would be a mistake to draft a RB before finishing up the OL (or drafting a QB for that matter), so that's why I was saying that I'd slam my head into a desk. I think building up the OL and DL is exactly what they need to be doing. That said, you will eventually need to get a top flight RB to effectively win with that style and I'm not sure how much more you need to invest in the OL before you're ready to justify getting that RB.

The big issue I have with taking a RB high this year is that it's going to be Harris/Pickett all over again if they'd take a RB this year and a QB next year. You'd want to give your QB time to develop, but you're already on the clock because you drafted a RB the year before and RBs have extremely short shelf lives.

 

[Peat]

The thing about investing in the OL is the Steelers have done it. They now need to wait to see whether it pays off. They can invest more if the right player is there but they've basically shot their shot.

My problem with taking a RB is I think money in a RB is a win now move due to shelf life and this isn't a win now team. But since they struggle to believe that about themselves...


Also, +1ing everything saying how the Eagles won was freakish and is probably as unreplicable as finding the next elite QB.

 

[JTG]

Another Jussie Smollett/Myles Garret deal. f***ing disgusting

People that do things like this should have to feel a wrath of some kid. He really messed up Incognito's career.

Not surprising but I'm still very uncomfortable going into next year with Jones as their LT.

Sink or swim. Daniels was rated the top offensive lineman until his injury. Too bad he couldn't be that dominant in the years past.

Jeremiah has us taking Jeanty at 21... would be pissed to miss out on McMillan by 2 picks

Daniel Jeremiah 2025 NFL mock draft 2.0: Steelers, Chargers, Vikings pick RBs in Round 1

If McMillan drops below 10 we have to try to trade up. That would be a massive get.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

The thing about investing in the OL is the Steelers have done it. They now need to wait to see whether it pays off. They can invest more if the right player is there but they've basically shot their shot.

Well I think this is a big issue that no one is talking about: why is Pat Meyer still on this staff? I mean, we know the reason (Tomlin can't find decent coaches) but he's been provided with a ton of talent and when you put it all together it comes out freakishly average. They've got a ton of investment in the OLine and the results have been middling at best.

But since Steelers don't fire coaches and Tomlin can't identify a good coach, this is the product.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Well I think this is a big issue that no one is talking about: why is Pat Meyer still on this staff? I mean, we know the reason (Tomlin can't find decent coaches) but he's been provided with a ton of talent and when you put it all together it comes out freakishly average. They've got a ton of investment in the OLine and the results have been middling at best.

But since Steelers don't fire coaches and Tomlin can't identify a good coach, this is the product.

They did see some growth in Frazier McCormick and said Fantuna was there best o line prospect since Pouncey. Meyer isn’t perfect but he is a nfl o line coach. The 2 biggest issues were combo blocking and keeping Jones engaged. Foster said Jones needs to be challenged like they did internally with Gilbert. He knows he is good a gets comfortable with just winning with athleticism like Chuks.
Jones and GP have to invest in themselves and become professional players

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I'd slam my head into a desk if they used a 1st on a RB, even though I think Jeanty would be a significant upgrade on Harris.

Then again, if the goal is to build like the Eagles, shouldn't you try to get something as close to Barkley as possible? If this team is going to be a run focused team, getting the best possible RB you can get is probably not a bad strategy.

I'm torn myself, but I feel with the plethora of RBs in this draft and the fact that the team needs so many other key positions that they should take another position.

Just like you, I am very much in the don't draft running backs in the 1st round and I feel like I have to keep to my convictions on this and say that I do not approve. Per this mock, I would much rather see them take, Egbuka, Jackson, Golden, or Starks.

Jeremiah having Alexander at 26 is kinda crazy. Guy was a 3rd-5th rounder going into the Senior Bowl. If he is that good, then add him to the list before Jeanty. Same with Zabel. Both seem to be the darlings of the precombine all star bowls.

He also doesn't have Burden III, Harmon in there as well. Also potential picks at 21.

I feel like if Jeanty slides that far. You should be able to make a trade down and pick up some valuable picks as well.

 

[JTG]

I'm very torn on Jeanty because I am a huge believer of his. That being said, I think we can get a really great RB later, so it's kind of the law of diminishing returns. If we can land one of the top WRs on a DL prospect in the 1st, that's a way better use of the pick.

This line and Jeanty would be awesome.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I'm very torn on Jeanty because I am a huge believer of his. That being said, I think we can get a really great RB later, so it's kind of the law of diminishing returns. If we can land one of the top WRs on a DL prospect in the 1st, that's a way better use of the pick.

This line and Jeanty would be awesome.

The issue is a weak wr draft class especially if you want a high end outside receiver.
It’s seems like a DL Cb RB DL type of top 4 draft
I do wonder about Jeanty because he struggled against Penn State and they didn’t use him as pass catcher this season

 

[Peat]

Well I think this is a big issue that no one is talking about: why is Pat Meyer still on this staff? I mean, we know the reason (Tomlin can't find decent coaches) but he's been provided with a ton of talent and when you put it all together it comes out freakishly average. They've got a ton of investment in the OLine and the results have been middling at best.

But since Steelers don't fire coaches and Tomlin can't identify a good coach, this is the product.

See I don't entirely agree with this as the investment on OL has been recent and OL takes time. Prior to this year and getting a R1, R2, and R4, it was two decent to good FA guards - both of whom have been decent to good - a spoofer at C, and two mid-round OTs reinforced by a R1 on a very raw OT. I don't really expect that to be more than average. I don't expect more than they've got out of Frazier, McCormick and Anderson either, for 3 of the recent OL rookies. He can't be blamed for Fautanu's injury either leaving Jones as the one questionable recent OL rookie. 1 out of 5 isn't horrible.

I don't think Meyer is necessarily the right dude. His history doesn't fill me with faith. But I don't agree with the idea he's been provided with his chance to shine and hasn't taken it.