OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: New Quarter Backs for the Handball team!

[bigdaddyk88]

Not going to fix this with a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick. For the good that's been done this offseason, and there's been more good than bad, the WR room is just a mess and a Pickens' injury away from being an abject disaster.

Muth will be targeted more. They will draft guy for round 2 and he will have 600 yard and 7 tds

 

[MrBrightside]

Muth will be targeted more. They will draft guy for round 2 and he will have 600 yard and 7 tds

Ha ok. Piece of cake. Up there with Dan Moore being an average OT.

A month ago you were on the other side of this argument, but since Mikey T traded Johnson suddenly you've flipped. Weird.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Man, Barton's testing results relative to centers is very elite.

Duke's Graham Barton Is An Elite Athlete At Center

Though he spent most of his time as a college tackle, Duke’s Graham Barton is likely ticketed to be an NFL center. It’s where he played as a freshman and where he’s spent much of his pre-draft time working out, including during last week’s Pro Day. Held out during the Senior Bowl and NFL Combine […]

steelersdepot.com

I've leaned tackle or CB all along but I have no issue taking a center if he is special. I just don't want to take one over more valuable positions just because of need. Barton's testing seems to indicate that he can be special though. I think I'd lean him over the other two centers at this point.

I'm pretty sure Bortolini also has a RAS score of 10 when considered as a pure Center. So you have to be careful with only considering RAS.

 

[Peat]

I'm pretty sure Bortolini also has a RAS score of 10 when considered as a pure Center. So you have to be careful with only considering RAS.

9.78. Sky high speed/explosiveness/agility, but light and poor bench press. Like that he did them all though. I wouldn't mind betting that if Barton did them all, he'd have been at about 9.78 too.

 

[Peat]

Also 8 rookie WRs posted 600 yards last year.

That's 3 out of the 4 first rounders, 2 out of the 4 2nd rounders, and 2 out of the 6 3rd rounders.

Or in other words, you can't guarantee a WR2 out of a rookie, even in the first round and if you're not in the first round you're at not great odds.

You can pretty much guarantee WR3 - only one guy got less than 300 yards - but not WR2.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Ha ok. Piece of cake. Up there with Dan Moore being an average OT.

A month ago you were on the other side of this argument, but since Mikey T traded Johnson suddenly you've flipped. Weird.

No i didn’t want to trade DJ but they were not gonna extend him so it’s whatever.
Last 3 rookie steeler wr
Dj 92 targets as a rookie
Juju 79
Claypool 109
Pixkens 89

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Also 8 rookie WRs posted 600 yards last year.

That's 3 out of the 4 first rounders, 2 out of the 4 2nd rounders, and 2 out of the 6 3rd rounders.

Or in other words, you can't guarantee a WR2 out of a rookie, even in the first round and if you're not in the first round you're at not great odds.

You can pretty much guarantee WR3 - only one guy got less than 300 yards - but not WR2.

11 had 561 yards......

561 yards seems light for a WR2 though, even 600 kinda feels light, But then were all the receivers used as a WR2. For the Steelers, if they take a guy in the 1st or 2nd round, they are going to start as the #2 unless they look awful in camp.

 

[Peat]

11 had 561 yards......

561 yards seems light for a WR2 though, even 600 kinda feels light, But then were all the receivers used as a WR2. For the Steelers, if they take a guy in the 1st or 2nd round, they are going to start as the #2 unless they look awful in camp.

It's not exactly sound the parade numbers, no. It'll do for a good season they can build on if Pickens and Muth are leaned on and the running game takes off like it's meant to, and obviously it'd be a very promising start for a WR, but it's fairly bare minimum.

It also raises questions about how well things would function with injuries if this rookie is the centre of attention.

And usage is a good question that I'm too lazy to look up, particularly as I'm guessing a lot of them would have seen usage fluctuate throughout the season.

 

[Captain Hook]

I'm pretty sure Bortolini also has a RAS score of 10 when considered as a pure Center. So you have to be careful with only considering RAS.

Oh definitely. It's just one thing to look at. Also possible that maybe some of these mid round centers that tested so well like Bortolini, Limmer etc. aren't so bad either.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Or number 3 target has averaged 50 targets per year
Probably see muth get more targets Heyward and the rbs targeted moore. In Denver it was Sutton and Juedy and no one else at wr. In Atlanta it was London Pitts and Jefferson

 

[MrBrightside]

Or number 3 target has averaged 50 targets per year
Probably see muth get more targets Heyward and the rbs targeted moore. In Denver it was Sutton and Juedy and no one else at wr. In Atlanta it was London Pitts and Jefferson

Imagine trying to justify having a trash WR room with the argument that Conor Heyward can get more targets and still hope to being taken seriously.

 

[Peat]

Or number 3 target has averaged 50 targets per year
Probably see muth get more targets Heyward and the rbs targeted moore. In Denver it was Sutton and Juedy and no one else at wr. In Atlanta it was London Pitts and Jefferson

Denver's offence just got Wilson cut. Atlanta's offence just got Smith fired.

The team should be aiming for better than this offences.

It needs a legit number two. Even if the aim is to use the WR room conservatively, it still needs a WR2 who gets decent returns for his target share any given Sunday and who can lift a load if something happens to Pickens.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Imagine trying to justify having a trash WR room with the argument that Conor Heyward can get more targets and still hope to being taken seriously.

I mean Smith targeted junu smith more than any wr in Atlanta not named London. RW used a ton of max protection 3 wr play action deep passes in Denver
They have Mims Jefferson Watkins and Colloway they are all wr 3 you are going to see GP get more targets plus muth like in Detroit the wr 2 got 64 targets. They targeted brown 180 times and laporta 110 times.

 

[MrBrightside]

Denver's offence just got Wilson cut. Atlanta's offence just got Smith fired.

The team should be aiming for better than this offences.

It needs a legit number two. Even if the aim is to use the WR room conservatively, it still needs a WR2 who gets decent returns for his target share any given Sunday and who can lift a load if something happens to Pickens.

While I feel obligated to note you were the one leading the dump Johnson charge, this is correct. Citing to shit offenses as comparables as to what Steelers may do is so not the argument that those making it think it is.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The offense will be defined half field reads. They knew the wr room would suck when they traded DJ and they would have to rely on a wr rookie and spread the ball out often

 

[MrBrightside]

I mean Smith targeted junu smith more than any wr in Atlanta not named London. RW used a ton of max protection 3 wr play action deep passes in Denver
They have Mims Jefferson Watkins and Colloway they are all wr 3 you are going to see GP get more targets plus muth like in Detroit the wr 2 got 64 targets. They targeted brown 180 times and laporta 110 times.

Wait, what?

 

[JTG]

Man, Barton's testing results relative to centers is very elite.

Duke's Graham Barton Is An Elite Athlete At Center

Though he spent most of his time as a college tackle, Duke’s Graham Barton is likely ticketed to be an NFL center. It’s where he played as a freshman and where he’s spent much of his pre-draft time working out, including during last week’s Pro Day. Held out during the Senior Bowl and NFL Combine […]

steelersdepot.com

I've leaned tackle or CB all along but I have no issue taking a center if he is special. I just don't want to take one over more valuable positions just because of need. Barton's testing seems to indicate that he can be special though. I think I'd lean him over the other two centers at this point.

I think Barton is the pick because he makes the most sense. He's not an ideal RT because of his length (though guys with short arms have played T before and succeeded), but if they pick him round 1, round 2 your options are wide open. If a T is there, play Barton at C. If Frazier is there, play Barton at T.

There is nothing about the dude that suggests he should play inside at the next level to me aside from his arm length - he was a LT in the ACC for f*** sake. He's a wildly intelligent football player. If Tyler Linderbaum can stand up to the nose tackles in the AFC North, I have officially become a believer that technique >>> size.

Sure Khan should be monitoring Aiyuk, but the queue is going to go around the block if the 49ers actually move on. It certainly wouldn't be cheap and honestly, given where the team is in their SB contention window i.e. not, I'm dubious that it'd be worth doing at full price.

And if he doesn't come up with Aiyuk, which feels the odds on scenario, and doesn't come up with anyone else, then things are going to look ugly. When I was saying nothing of value would be lost for trading Johnson, I didn't expect his replacement to be Van Jefferson...

Right now it feels like the Steelers have three important positions to address on the offence and the currency to only address two with certainty, which does not feel great.

Aiyuk is such a great fit here that I'd almost trade a 2025 top 64 pick for him.

 

[MrBrightside]

Aiyuk is such a great fit here that I'd almost trade a 2025 top 64 pick for him.

Aiyuk for a 1st round pick is a no-brainer to do. This isn't even controversial. The only downside is that they have such a hole a C and need other things that it will further exacerbate the OL issues since they won't have that key resource.

 

[JTG]

Aiyuk for a 1st round pick is a no-brainer to do. This isn't even controversial. The only downside is that they have such a hole a C and need other things that it will further exacerbate the OL issues since they won't have that key resource.

It depends what they can address in this draft. If they come away with a good draft and these guys can start, then I'd trade a 2025 pick for him.

 

[Peat]

While I feel obligated to note you were the one leading the dump Johnson charge, this is correct. Citing to shit offenses as comparables as to what Steelers may do is so not the argument that those making it think it is.

I was leading the dump Johnson charge when I thought they'd replace him with a real WR2, not Van Jefferson, and they'd be drafting a guy to be WR3 rather than WR2. I agreed with the first move, but not the ones that have come after.

 

[MrBrightside]

It depends what they can address in this draft. If they come away with a good draft and these guys can start, then I'd trade a 2025 pick for him.

Sure. I just don't SF trading Aiyuk for a 2025 pick and if they are going to deal him, they'll do it before or during the draft and not after as they are obviously in win-now mode with a cheap QB.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I was leading the dump Johnson charge when I thought they'd replace him with a real WR2, not Van Jefferson, and they'd be drafting a guy to be WR3 rather than WR2. I agreed with the first move, but not the ones that have come after.

There wasn’t anyone on the FA market who could be a wr at 10 mill that DJ was making

 

[JTG]

Sure. I just don't SF trading Aiyuk for a 2025 pick and if they are going to deal him, they'll do it before or during the draft and not after as they are obviously in win-now mode with a cheap QB.

I haven't been paying attention, but last I read Lynch wasn't looking to trade him.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I was leading the dump Johnson charge when I thought they'd replace him with a real WR2, not Van Jefferson, and they'd be drafting a guy to be WR3 rather than WR2. I agreed with the first move, but not the ones that have come after.

There wasn’t anyone in FA thzt could replace DJ especially at 10 million

 

[MrBrightside]

I haven't been paying attention, but last I read Lynch wasn't looking to trade him.

I've seen that report also and frankly that would be smart, but I always take that stuff with a grain of salt as they aren't going to say they are looking to trade him and depress his value. Plus we are all old enough to remember Kahn and Tomlin talking up Pickett as QB1 in 2024...