OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Its January and we are still talking about Handball!?! Currently 10-6

[xlm34]

He seems to me like a better version of Warren. He's got speed and though he's not the biggest, he runs hard. He's a better receiver and overall athlete, though, I think.

I was talking to a friend and they said "Yeah, but you want a change of pace back." I can understand the logic, but I don't know if I buy into that philosophy anymore.

Yeah I don’t know what to think about that. I get the idea behind the change of pace backs but the thought of having two Warrens getting 15 touches apiece doesn’t sound so bad to me.

 

[MrBrightside]

Unless you have one of the top 3 or 4 RB's around, most of them are fairly interchangeable. I wouldn't invest a lot of resources at the position, particularly when higher leverage spots like WR and CB and OT are needs.

 

[MrBrightside]

Yes he should just go the Qb store and buy 3

I mean, that's a fair point, but they passed on Hurts to take Claypoole. They showed no interest in Mayfield or Darnold on multiple occasions. They've hired OC's whose focus has been to support the defense rather than develop QB or offenses. To give him the pass on this subject that you give him on everything is ridiculous.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

The two-back, change-of-pace thing is tricky because the roles are reversed. It's no longer the carries-munching one-cut power back spelled by the playmaking receiver, it's the other way around. ort of. A dynamic, playmaking back selled by a pounder.

Cook in Buffalo and Gibbs in Detroit are the models, IMO. Henry is a unicorn. And guys like Bijan, Taylor and KW3 aren't elevating their teams. Find a guy in next year's draft like Irving in TB, and we're talking. I don't follow CFB closely enough but since I'm in Columbus, Treveyon Henderson seems to fit the profile. And Jeanty of course.

EDIT: I should add that our NFL team may not be structured/schemed in such a way as to take advantage of what I believe to be this shift in backfield philosophy.

 

[pistolpete11]

Unless you have one of the top 3 or 4 RB's around, most of them are fairly interchangeable. I wouldn't invest a lot of resources at the position, particularly when higher leverage spots like WR and CB and OT are needs.

Like I said, I'm not sold on it 100%, but the argument would be that there are situations where it could be beneficial to have a 240lb guy that can break a tackle, fall forward, and/or push the pile. Edit: But as @Double-Shift Lasse said, that guy being your primary back is going the way of the dinosaurs in the modern NFL.

In general, I agree to not invest in RB, though. A good O-line will make a mediocre RB look good and a mediocre line will make a good RB look mediocre. That's why I disagreed with taking Najee when they did. Their O-line was a mess at the time.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

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[bigdaddyk88]

I mean, that's a fair point, but they passed on Hurts to take Claypoole. They showed no interest in Mayfield or Darnold on multiple occasions. They've hired OC's whose focus has been to support the defense rather than develop QB or offenses. To give him the pass on this subject that you give him on everything is ridiculous.

I am not even sure about Darnold right now his playoff game on Monday is huge for his money. Minnesota as koc and multiple weapons on offense but Detroit blitzed him like crazy. A win he gets a Daniel Jones contract
Baker has really good wr in Tampa they literally took a wr after we took Wilson Macmilian who replaced Godwin seamlessly
I do think Fields with 2 top 10 wr and a top 5 o line can use rpo like hurts

Like I said, I'm not sold on it 100%, but the argument would be that there are situations where it could be beneficial to have a 240lb guy that can break a tackle, fall forward, and/or push the pile. Edit: But as @Double-Shift Lasse said, that guy being your primary back is going the way of the dinosaurs in the modern NFL.

In general, I agree to not invest in RB, though. A good O-line will make a mediocre RB look good and a mediocre line will make a good RB look mediocre. That's why I disagreed with taking Najee when they did. Their O-line was a mess at the time.

Yes look at Philly going from swift to Barkley

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Cooks is on an offense that had 13 people catch a td and Allen was the main threat. Gibbs is explosive but he is the 4th guy you worry about in Detroit

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Cooks is on an offense that had 13 people catch a td and Allen was the main threat. Gibbs is explosive but he is the 4th guy you worry about in Detroit

A guy who can do a lot without needing 25 touches is exactly what I'm talking about. If you're worried about three guys more than Gibbs you're making a mistake.

And yet I acknowledged that this type of back might not excel in the system the Steelers currently employ. That's too bad, IMO.

Ultimately, my point is that a two-back backfield and change-of-pace aren't defined the way the used to be, or at least it's evolving.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

A guy who can do a lot without needing 25 touches is exactly what I'm talking about. If you're worried about three guys more than Gibbs you're making a mistake.

And yet I acknowledged that this type of back might not excel in the system the Steelers currently employ. That's too bad, IMO.

Ultimately, my point is that a two-back backfield and change-of-pace aren't defined the way the used to be, or at least it's evolving.

But Detroit literally has the 2 back system you want. Montgomery is the bruiser the bully Gibbs is the speed RB. Before Montgomery injury he had 1 20 carry game this season. They have Brown as the wr 1 and Williamson as the deep threat. A chain moving TE and a Qb who excels using play action
Cook has 1 20 carry game this season which to me is crazy because his Qb has 3 12 carry games this season

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

But Detroit literally has the 2 back system you want. Montgomery is the bruiser the bully Gibbs is the speed RB. Before Montgomery injury he had 1 20 carry game this season. They have Brown as the wr 1 and Williamson as the deep threat. A chain moving TE and a Qb who excels using play action
Cook has 1 20 carry game this season which to me is crazy because his Qb has 3 12 carry games this season

Yes Detroit is balanced and has weapons. But you aren't understanding the point I'm trying to make. Let me know if it's worth it to make one more effort to say the same thing again.

 

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Good for Cam

 

[pistolpete11]

Good for Cam

Pretty remarkable for a 35 year old who certain people wanted to dump this past offseason.

 

[xlm34]

This team took Kendrick Green instead of Quinn Meinerz

That 2021 offseason was rough.