OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Its January and we are still talking about Handball!?! Currently 10-6

[JTG]

I think Pickens needs to go to an established team, and he'd look mighty good in Philly. He's with his Georgia guys...strong young core. They would be good for eachother.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If the Steelers trade Pickens, I don't think he's going to end up on a good team for two reasons

1) He's a massive headache in a contract year with a tendency to make big on field mistakes. Massive talent or no, that's deeply unattractive
2) I suspect that if he's got a choice, Khan will Carolina Pickens.

My guess is he ends up somewhere with an off-field staff under serious pressure with a QB with few weapons. Jacksonville or the Giants sound very likely to me.

The giants have more weapons than us. Why would Jacksonville want him they have Thomas and paid Davis and kirk.
I don’t think he gets traded.

 

[JTG]

They already have Coleman and Shakar. They like spreading the ball around. They moved off Diggs because Allen had to force it to Diggs


Austin gets open but RW doesn’t throw it to his 2nd read

I have noticed on the aerial shots I've seen, Austin does in fact get open. He'd be a Pro Bowler with Ben. Ben would pump and Austin would be 30 yards down field all alone.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I want them to move on from Pickens and bring in a new WR1, I just don't think this team has the guts to make that move unless an amazing deal falls into their lap.

If someone gets stupid and offers a Claypool type of return for Pickens (so late 1st/early 2nd), I could see them moving on from him. I just don't think any team is dumb enough to do that.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Who wins a playoff series first?

Penguins, Steelers or Pirates?

The fact that you hesitated even a fraction of a moment in answering speaks volumes.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Who wins a playoff series first?

Penguins, Steelers or Pirates?

The fact that you hesitated even a fraction of a moment in answering speaks volumes.

Nah it's definitely the Steelers. The Steelers can squeak into the playoffs and maybe eek out a win. The Penguins are toast and the Pirates will never win anything with their current owners.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Nah it's definitely the Steelers. The Steelers can squeak into the playoffs and maybe eek out a win. The Penguins are toast and the Pirates will never win anything with their current owners.

Yeah, but I had to think about it for a split second.

We are assuming that Tomlin will actually win a playoff series eventually though.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Yeah, but I had to think about it for a split second.

We are assuming that Tomlin will actually win a playoff series eventually though.

It might even be because Harbaugh over thinks this Saturday.
They brought in Henry for the playoffs and probably will not have Flowers available. This should be a 25 carry game for Henry. Do you think they do that or try and make Lamar win throwing

 

[MrBrightside]

 

[Peat]

Honestly, the way the Steelers get to the big day only to go splat, I'm inclined to thinking the Pens pull off a miracle and get one last huzzah first.


Prove me wrong guys.

 

[Peat]

The giants have more weapons than us. Why would Jacksonville want him they have Thomas and paid Davis and kirk.
I don’t think he gets traded.

They don't have enough weapons to definitely save their GM's/HC's jobs though. Which is why the Bears are walking around with Allen/Moore/Odunze. Overkill is in fashion. Although I hadn't realised how much money the Jags have in Davis, jfc that's mad.

 

[The Old Master]

Who wins a playoff series first?

Penguins, Steelers or Pirates?

The fact that you hesitated even a fraction of a moment in answering speaks volumes.

what does it say when I'm still thinking.

 

[Empoleon8771]

That 8" of snow is what we got today. Snow for Saturday only looks to be in the 1"-3" range.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Allegheny Andy
@CityOf_6
Only 7 NFL teams have 0 playoff wins since 2016. Of those teams:

✦ Steelers - 0 HC changes
✦ Panthers - 4 HC changes
✦ Dolphins - 3 HC changes
✦ Bears - 3 HC changes
✦ Commanders - 4 HC changes
✦ Cardinals - 4 HC changes
✦ Raiders - 4 HC changes

This is instructive how? None of those teams are closer to a playoff win than the Steelers.

Don’t read this as a defense of standing pat. Just that this info isn’t really instructive regarding firing or retaining coaches.

 

[Peat]

If this is true, I think it would explain a lot of the bubbling frustrations and weird slips and glum looks we're seeing.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

It was a similar gameplan they used against the bengals the 1st time the with built off plays because Smith anticipated the lb would jump on the najee jump offs

Yup. And especially here the WR is as open as you can be in the NFL. Everyone executed well, it was schemed well, Wilson just blew it. Easy 20 yards wasted.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

The Mike Tomlin philosophy in one tweet. Hey, maybe when it becomes 1956 again we'll be f'ing awesome. Until then...

I don't think it is necessarily bad, he recognizes that his talent offensively is poor so they aim for the offense to not lose the game. They approached it much differently when they had Antonio Brown and Bell and a solid line.

I certainly have issues with the coaching, especially with the defense recently but people don't want to admit that the Steelers' roster just isn't that good and they won't be a true competitor until it improves.

 

[JTG]

If this is true, I think it would explain a lot of the bubbling frustrations and weird slips and glum looks we're seeing.

There is a cancer in this locker room. I think it is who we all think it is, but this thing turned around in a quick hurry in a bad way. We knew these games were going to be tough, but this has been atrocious ball.

 

[Peat]

There is a cancer in this locker room. I think it is who we all think it is, but this thing turned around in a quick hurry in a bad way. We knew these games were going to be tough, but this has been atrocious ball.

At this point it feels like there might be multiple with the chance for it keep growing, which reminds me of last season.

 

[pistolpete11]

If I'm the Bills I send the Steelers a 3rd to 5th round pick. Still on his rookie deal. Buffalo also has 2 second round picks this year so they can absorb this.

He'd make sweet magic with Josh Allen.

I'd hope they could get more than a 3rd and if not, I'd hope he goes to the NFC. He's a headcase that will inevitably cause problems, but a team might be able to manage it for a while.

I think Atlanta makes a lot of sense. They have London, but Ray-Ray McCloud is their 3rd leading receiver for crying out loud. They'll want to surround Penix with some more talent, they are close enough to a playoff team that they might be willing to spend some draft capitol for a sure thing, and there's the he played at Georgia connection.

Commanders might make some sense, too. I think they overachieved a bit with Daniels playing hero ball, but their leading receiver is Terry McLaurin who's a solid player, but is also going to be 30 years old.

In general, if he's traded, I agree with @Peat that he probably won't end up on one of the top teams. Good teams don't need to introduce a potential problem like Pickens. I think it'll be a team that is looking to take the next step (like the Eagles when they got Brown, Dolphins when they got Hill, or the Texans with Diggs) or a desperate team.

 

[MrBrightside]

I don't think it is necessarily bad, he recognizes that his talent offensively is poor so they aim for the offense to not lose the game. They approached it much differently when they had Antonio Brown and Bell and a solid line.

I certainly have issues with the coaching, especially with the defense recently but people don't want to admit that the Steelers' roster just isn't that good and they won't be a true competitor until it improves.

I think the results indicate that it was quite bad. You don't run the ball well, you're playing a defense you just torched a few weeks ago and which has been terrible all year, and you decide to go run heavy for 3 quarters despite the fact it's not working? Yes, the roster is limited and the weapons are few but I truly don't see how anyone watches the schemes and game plans and nods along "yes, that's smart, good coaching." I just don't.

 

[pistolpete11]

So with all these rumblings of problems in the lockerroom for however many years in a row now, can we admit that Tomlin isn't the "leader of men" he's made out to be? I'm not even saying he's not a good leader, but people talk about him like he has magic power that will keep these divas in line and he simply doesn't. All he does is shield it from the media so that we don't hear about it....until that player is traded of course. Then we hear about how they've caused problems for years and this latest incidence is just the straw that broke the camel's back.

You're never going to have a team of angels in the NFL, but maybe it's time they focus on getting high character guys again.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Who wins a playoff series first?

Penguins, Steelers or Pirates?

The fact that you hesitated even a fraction of a moment in answering speaks volumes.

Here is an even better perspective - Jim Harbaugh spent the last ten years coaching in college and he still has more NFL playoff wins (5) than Mike Tomlin (3) since 2010

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I don't think it is necessarily bad, he recognizes that his talent offensively is poor so they aim for the offense to not lose the game. They approached it much differently when they had Antonio Brown and Bell and a solid line.

I certainly have issues with the coaching, especially with the defense recently but people don't want to admit that the Steelers' roster just isn't that good and they won't be a true competitor until it improves.

I think some people don't want to admit that coaching, talent development and scheme just isn't that good and hasn't been for about 15 years.