OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson

[xlm34]

The highest snap percentage a WR has in an Arthur Smith offense was London in 2022 with 78%. Pickens is pretty much in line with how he’s always utilized receivers so unless he’s told to change, it’s probably gonna continue.

Which wouldn’t be a problem if they had even an average WR2 but…

 

[T1K]

Chase has 89% of the snaps this season. Pickens has 76%. Using one week to suggest that Pickens is in line with other elite WRs is basically disingenuous.

Elite WRs almost always average over 80% and many of them are closer to 90%.

Hill has been in the 70s going back when he first joined the Dolphins.

I was just pointing out Chase had an irregularity in his snap count this week, so do you think Bengals fans are freaking out about it?

I believe the sub 70% for Pickens in week 1 is still fresh in peoples minds and in turn are making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Pens x]

Absolutely unacceptable starting the season with this group of receivers. Khan got played over Aiyuk. There was no plan B.

 

[Ryder71]

Absolutely unacceptable starting the season with this group of receivers. Khan got played over Aiyuk. There was no plan B.

Here's his test, will he learn from this, realize he got played and humble himself enough to adjust accordingly?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Absolutely unacceptable starting the season with this group of receivers. Khan got played over Aiyuk. There was no plan B.

There’s going to be tons of guys available in a few weeks to trade for. In our division both Higgins and Cooper. In the afc south any wr for Jacksonville or Tennessee not named Thompson. Kupp for the rams

 

[Ryder71]

There’s going to be tons of guys available in a few weeks to trade for. In our division both Higgins and Cooper. In the afc south any wr for Jacksonville or Tennessee not named Thompson. Kupp for the rams

That doesn't help us now though does it? It should never have gotten to this point.

 

[Factorial]

Absolutely unacceptable starting the season with this group of receivers. Khan got played over Aiyuk. There was no plan B.

Do you ever have anything positive to say here, or anywhere?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

That doesn't help us now though does it? It should never have gotten to this point.

They have given Fields what he had in Chicago he had Kmet and Moore. He has muth and Gp here.

 

[Ryder71]

They have given Fields what he had in Chicago he had Kmet and Moore. He has muth and Gp here.

We shouldn't be emulating Chicago. This has been an issue since march and it has yet to be remedied. That's unacceptable. Khan has done a lot of good things but on this matter he soiled the bed big time!

 

[WickedWrister]

I don't understand why the Pickens snap thing is such a contentious issue. I think the Bengals have a new OC this year but Chase plays for a McVay tree head coach who uses 3WR formations on probably like 75% of plays. Arthur Smith is closer to the Shanahan mold that use multiple TE's. This basically boils down to his usage of guys like Darnell Washington and MyCole Pruitt. Smith likes condensed formations and bigger bodies for short yardage situations. Other coaches like to spread it out.

If this bothers you... well...buckle up for the next 1-3 years. I wasn't exactly thrilled with the hire but this is just what he does. I don't currently have an issue with it because Pickens only grades out as an average blocker and his talents are better utilizied in the receiving game, where he's participating on nearly 100% of passing plays. He's got the 12th highest target share in the NFL at 28%. In a higher volume passing offense, he'd be putting up elite numbers every week.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

We shouldn't be emulating Chicago. This has been an issue since march and it has yet to be remedied. That's unacceptable. Khan has done a lot of good things but on this matter he soiled the bed big time!

We are literally rebuilding Fields and treating him like a rookie backup go back and look at the Titans wr room under smith

 

[Peat]

I don't understand why the Pickens snap thing is such a contentious issue. I think the Bengals have a new OC this year but Chase plays for a McVay tree head coach who uses 3WR formations on probably like 75% of plays. Arthur Smith is closer to the Shanahan mold that use multiple TE's. This basically boils down to his usage of guys like Darnell Washington and MyCole Pruitt. Smith likes condensed formations and bigger bodies for short yardage situations. Other coaches like to spread it out.

If this bothers you... well...buckle up for the next 1-3 years. I wasn't exactly thrilled with the hire but this is just what he does. I don't currently have an issue with it because Pickens only grades out as an average blocker and his talents are better utilizied in the receiving game, where he's participating on nearly 100% of passing plays. He's got the 12th highest target share in the NFL at 28%. In a higher volume passing offense, he'd be putting up elite numbers every week.

It's probably less of a conversation if people just go "yeah its low but that's just Smith" rather than "nuh-uh! mid-70s isn't low at all".

And it's also less of a conversation if the Smith multiple TE, big body, run heavy stuff was working. As you pointed out, the run game is 29th for EPA. The pass game is 10th. Of course people are going to be saying "why not pass more". Why not have Pickens put up elite numbers every week rather than waste a few drives trundling around trying to establish the run. Why not try getting creative on disguising run plays as passing plays, passing plays as run plays, and so on to maybe get open things up a bit more. Etc.etc.

 

[T1K]

It's probably less of a conversation if people just go "yeah its low but that's just Smith" rather than "nuh-uh! mid-70s isn't low at all".

Are Bucs fans complaining about Mike Evans?

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You were making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[T1K]

This is the only segment of the internet that is still talking about Pickens week 1 snap count.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Shouldn’t the discussion be taking the light October schedule and actually take the training wheels off Fields to make sure he can feed a 3rd pass catcher instead of complaining Pickens snap percentage

 

[WickedWrister]

It's probably less of a conversation if people just go "yeah its low but that's just Smith" rather than "nuh-uh! mid-70s isn't low at all".

And it's also less of a conversation if the Smith multiple TE, big body, run heavy stuff was working. As you pointed out, the run game is 29th for EPA. The pass game is 10th. Of course people are going to be saying "why not pass more". Why not have Pickens put up elite numbers every week rather than waste a few drives trundling around trying to establish the run. Why not try getting creative on disguising run plays as passing plays, passing plays as run plays, and so on to maybe get open things up a bit more. Etc.etc.

Yeah I hear ya, there's definitely a disparity between what this offense wants to be good at and what they've put on film through 4 weeks. The wasted early down runs are absolutely killing us and setting the offense up in constant 3rd and longs.

 

[WickedWrister]

Levis got hurt and Mason is in for Tennessee

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Levis got hurt and Mason is in for Tennessee

Mason is better than Levis.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Mason is better than Levis.

He is... love the guy, but that last sack shows he has zero escape ability in the pocket. I was sad to see him go, but I love what I'm seeing from Fields so far.

 

[Ryder71]

Mason is better than Levis.

His lack of mobility though would be an issue here.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Levis is just Zach Wilson without the mobility. He throws the ball far but that is literally all he can do.

I'm just glad Fields has been good because Yinzers would be insufferable with the "they should have kept Rudolph!" takes if Fields wasn't good

 

[T1K]

Im happy for Mason. I think that’s the last we’ve seen of Levis for quite some time.

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

Pickens being involved in like 75% of total snaps but almost every passing play seems to me to be an incredible tell to the defense that you are running.

Pickens comes out, run commit.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Im happy for Mason. I think that’s the last we’ve seen of Levis for quite some time.

I may be wrong but I feel like Mason didn't even complete a pass in that second half.

I thought he started out really well, I think he was like 7 of 9 for 70 yards or something like that. But 9 or 17 with 85 passing yards isn't a good game.

 

[T1K]

I may be wrong but I feel like Mason didn't even complete a pass in that second half.

I thought he started out really well, I think he was like 7 of 9 for 70 yards or something like that. But 9 or 17 with 85 passing yards isn't a good game.

He just has a better command of the offense and isn’t as prone to the back breaking turnovers. It seemed like Levis had a short leash going into this game. They are on bye next week so it’ll be interesting to see what they do.