OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson

[WickedWrister]

 

[Peat]

I’m not in any way saying Tomlin is blameless, but again it does not matter what other people on defense are being paid if your cornerback room is Donte Jackson, James Pierre, Corey Trice, Cam Sutton, and Beanie Bishop. That’s gonna get lit up by any decent QB.

I've got to say my head is in a similar place. It starts with talent, there isn't enough in a lot of areas. Which is obviously on Tomlin (among others) anyway, but that's what I'm most gassed at.

Tomlin does a great job of disguising it with the extremely talented pieces he has against a lot of teams, but the moment a team can escape that trap it's all over. And, tbf, I think the fact he's still using a ton of Tampa Zone concepts that a lot of other people in the league know well does then compound the problem (see how Steichen has killed Tomlin 3/3 with back-up QBs).

 

[xlm34]

I've got to say my head is in a similar place. It starts with talent, there isn't enough in a lot of areas. Which is obviously on Tomlin (among others) anyway, but that's what I'm most gassed at.

Tomlin does a great job of disguising it with the extremely talented pieces he has against a lot of teams, but the moment a team can escape that trap it's all over. And, tbf, I think the fact he's still using a ton of Tampa Zone concepts that a lot of other people in the league know well does then compound the problem (see how Steichen has killed Tomlin 3/3 with back-up QBs).

Yeah I think Tomlin is super stubborn with what he does and don’t expect it to change. It’s just that this year I wonder how much trying to do some more complex stuff would work out. If they’re blowing coverages playing a simple scheme, I don’t have much confidence in them executing something else. Which again — combo of coaching and talent.

It’s not gonna be a popular thing to say that they need to invest more in the defense but they 1000% need to spend some higher picks on the secondary.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Yeah I think Tomlin is super stubborn with what he does and don’t expect it to change. It’s just that this year I wonder how much trying to do some more complex stuff would work out. If they’re blowing coverages playing a simple scheme, I don’t have much confidence in them executing something else. Which again — combo of coaching and talent.

It’s not gonna be a popular thing to say that they need to invest more in the defense but they 1000% need to spend some higher picks on the secondary.

Its been fairly obvious that this draft is going to be defense heavy. Dl and secondary
Free agency should be about wr 2

 

[MrBrightside]

Yeah I think Tomlin is super stubborn with what he does and don’t expect it to change. It’s just that this year I wonder how much trying to do some more complex stuff would work out. If they’re blowing coverages playing a simple scheme, I don’t have much confidence in them executing something else. Which again — combo of coaching and talent.

It’s not gonna be a popular thing to say that they need to invest more in the defense but they 1000% need to spend some higher picks on the secondary.

I mean, that's both necessary and fairly insane. You have a 1st in Minkah and basically a 1st in Porter. If you can't piece together a functional secondary with 1/2 of it consisting of high picks, you have a coaching/scouting issue.

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I mean, that's both necessary and fairly insane. You have a 1st in Minkah and basically a 1st in Porter. If you can't piece together a functional secondary with 1/2 of it consisting of high picks, you have a coaching/scouting issue.

It was semi functional with porter. They need cbs who can play both press and zone

 

[Empoleon8771]

Tbh I thought Jackson had a very good start to the year but yeah that PFF ranking is yucky.

 

[Hullois]

Time to bench wilson and play fields again

 

[MrBrightside]

It was semi functional with porter. They need cbs who can play both press and zone

Well yes, ideally you’d have multiple excellent corners. But you can’t be this helpless against any decent QB when you have the investment in the D they already have. Bad coaching, bad development and/or bad pro scouting, but it can’t happen.

 

[MrBrightside]

Not a huge thing given how few KO really get returned by Smith’s attachment to this guy remains baffling and counterproductive.

 

[MrBrightside]

They need better personnel but you can’t defend this coaching staff. This stuff can’t happen.

 

[Andy99]

Yep, pretty much…

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/paul-zeise/2024/12/26/steelers-tomlin-afc-north-collapse-chiefs-ravens-russell-wilson/stories/202412250068

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Yep, pretty much…

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/paul-zeise/2024/12/26/steelers-tomlin-afc-north-collapse-chiefs-ravens-russell-wilson/stories/202412250068

Yes its his baby the defense and losing sucks
I just find it funny how before the season everyone said they needed to bank as many wins as possible before the bye because of the gauntlet after the bye and then are shocked when they lose
They are only good enough to win a playoff game but hopefully they spend money on the offense in free agency and get better and younger on defense

 

[Peat]

Yes its his baby the defense and losing sucks
I just find it funny how before the season everyone said they needed to bank as many wins as possible before the bye because of the gauntlet after the bye and then are shocked when they lose
They are only good enough to win a playoff game but hopefully they spend money on the offense in free agency and get better and younger on defense

It's a fair point that the strong start to the season has changed the narrative.

But at the same time, a team losing three games in a row by two scores is going to shock most teams, nevermind one in a playoff position.