OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson

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Reading a mock draft article on the NFL. The author quotes an anonymous scout as saying "only one guy would have been top 10 last year". My desire to trade this year's 1st for one next year only intensifies.
Bruglers? My takeaway from the mock was that it's a polarizing class lacking in any real consensus outside of the top few guys. Generally agree though that this is a bad year for teams with a top 5 pick needing a QB.

Had us taking a CB round 1:
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Would not be shocked to see us take an RB on day 2 as that seems to be a strength of this class as well as a need if Najee walks. Brugler had Kaleb Johnson from Iowa going a pick before us.
 

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This doesn’t make any sense. Bateman got hurt DJ is playing for a contract blowing up Bmore means no money next season
I mean he's already got like $30m in the bank, I don't know the guy personally but it's not crazy to think that once he got paid, he stopped giving a shit.

I wish Hard Knocks would've showed him refusing to come into the game lol
 
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You gotta think they take a WR relatively early in the draft. I’m just so curious to see what they do with Pickens. I think there’s a 99.9% chance he’ll “hold in” during camp so they’re gonna have to do something with him.

Talent wise he’s a no brainer to get a big deal. I just don’t know if they’ll want to put up with his antics all that much longer.
 

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You gotta think they take a WR relatively early in the draft. I’m just so curious to see what they do with Pickens. I think there’s a 99.9% chance he’ll “hold in” during camp so they’re gonna have to do something with him.

Talent wise he’s a no brainer to get a big deal. I just don’t know if they’ll want to put up with his antics all that much longer.
Tomlin is openly flirting with Higgins i think they look into signing him and then extending GP and not drafting a wr until day 3
 

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Huh. It seems like just a month or 2 ago people were raking Khan over the coals for trading DJ.

And for the record, I thought it was mistake to go into the season with these WR and still do, but DJ can go kick rocks.

THIS.

I don't want to hear or see any memes or pot shots because 90% of this fanbase thought Johnson for Jackson was Khan getting hosed.

Johnson can't catch, runs backwards, doesn't play through the whistle, and quits on his team. This wasn't/isn't a new phenomenon.

He's a loser.

Khan has been a God send for this org after the final years of Colbert.
 

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Huh. It seems like just a month or 2 ago people were raking Khan over the coals for trading DJ.

And for the record, I thought it was mistake to go into the season with these WR and still do, but DJ can go kick rocks.

It wasn't a mistake to trade DJ, it was a mistake to not replace him. That said, I don't miss him whatsoever. Addition by subtraction IMO.

Pickens as WR1 and Austin as WR3 are perfectly fine, they still need a WR2 though.
 
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Bruglers? My takeaway from the mock was that it's a polarizing class lacking in any real consensus outside of the top few guys. Generally agree though that this is a bad year for teams with a top 5 pick needing a QB.

Had us taking a CB round 1:
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Would not be shocked to see us take an RB on day 2 as that seems to be a strength of this class as well as a need if Najee walks. Brugler had Kaleb Johnson from Iowa going a pick before us.

Just don't think the STeelers go this high at CB. In fact, considering how well Jackson has played my guess is he'll get resigned here.

They'll go DL/WR in some order with their first couple of picks.

Then RB/DB in some order the next picks. Because 1 of Harris/Warren/Patterson won't be back
 

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Bruglers? My takeaway from the mock was that it's a polarizing class lacking in any real consensus outside of the top few guys. Generally agree though that this is a bad year for teams with a top 5 pick needing a QB.

Had us taking a CB round 1:
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Would not be shocked to see us take an RB on day 2 as that seems to be a strength of this class as well as a need if Najee walks. Brugler had Kaleb Johnson from Iowa going a pick before us.

Yeah that one.

The Hairston pick was part of what prompted me to see it this way. That little bio doesn't fill me with excitement. I can live without taking a shot on Hairston for two 1sts next year and a mid-rounder this. Maybe there's some other guys still on the board that are more exciting, I didn't keep reading.

I would add that personally CB seems unlikely to me depending on how the board goes. I think they'll sign Donte Jackson to try and get some year to year stability there for a while. For me, the two biggest targets for a 1st round pick are a DL or WR. DL because that unit isn't all that without Cam and he's on a timer and there's going to be a lot of snaps vacated by Ogunjobi soon enough; WR because this team needs Pickens insurance.

I also think that as things stand, this team drafting a RB is incredibly safe.
 
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It wasn't a mistake to trade DJ, it was a mistake to not replace him. That said, I don't miss him whatsoever. Addition by subtraction IMO.

Pickens as WR1 and Austin as WR3 are perfectly fine, they still need a WR2 though.

Do they? They're 9-3 with a run first OC. We're doing just fine without this mythical #2. I agree an injury to Pickens would hurt certainly but there were more pressing needs like DB, OL, etc.

I'm not writing off Roman Wilson next year or Mike Williams as the year progresses either.

This was one take I never understood with our fanbase.

I've been wrong to some degree on Wilson (thought the OL wouldn't hold up and he'd get killed/pressured into a lot of mistakes) and honestly, can't believe I'm saying this, pleased with how Tomlin has handled this year, for the most part.

But in the end, the only thing that matters is playoff football. Until we win in that arena, I'm not pulling my critiques of MT.

For this franchise, you win in the playoffs within a reasonable timeframe or you should be gone. Going on a decade has been too long a drought. I've given up on them moving on at any point from Tomlin, but I'll never back down on his regular season accolades being overrated, outside of a few years when the QB play was atrocious.
 

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Do they? They're 9-3 with a run first OC. We're doing just fine without this mythical #2. I agree an injury to Pickens would hurt certainly but there were more pressing needs like DB, OL, etc.

I'm not writing off Roman Wilson next year or Mike Williams as the year progresses either.

This was one take I never understood with our fanbase.

I've been wrong to some degree on Wilson (thought the OL wouldn't hold up and he'd get killed/pressured into a lot of mistakes) and honestly, can't believe I'm saying this, pleased with how Tomlin has handled this year, for the most part.

But in the end, the only thing that matters is playoff football. Until we win in that arena, I'm not pulling my critiques of MT.

For this franchise, you win in the playoffs within a reasonable timeframe or you should be gone. Going on a decade has been too long a drought. I've given up on them moving on at any point from Tomlin, but I'll never back down on his regular season accolades being overrated, outside of a few years when the QB play was atrocious.
They were doing just fine with fields at qb and would have won 10 games with him at Qb. They would still be a run 1st offense The reason the team has a chance to win in the playoffs as is is because of Wilson. Pickens Muth and Austin were actually unlocked under RW.
 

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This doesn’t make any sense. Bateman got hurt DJ is playing for a contract blowing up Bmore means no money next season

My theory on how it makes sense for Diontae.

He knows that Baltimore aren't going to give him the platform to put up any sort of numbers. They've got him but don't want to use him. He can go into the game as a break glass option but nothing he can do will keep him from going back behind the glass the moment Baltimore are fit again.

If he can't positively help his cause, he's got a choice between reputational hit of being a malcontent vs potential hit of getting injured and deciding which is worse. Which, when angry about how things are going...

I'd also add that if he'd somehow persuaded Baltimore to cut him, he'd probably be a Chief now. They've been linked to him many times before and they're desperate at WR. Which is why he's suspended and not cut.

I'm curious to see what happens to him this off-season. i can easily see him getting blacklisted and getting crap. I can easily see him getting a decent one year contract from a team that thinks Diontae Johnson's problems is he's been in situations a WR doesn't want to be in for a long time and they'll get reasonable behaviour if they put him in a strong situation.
 
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Not exactly breaking news but Jeremy Fowler echoing Rapoport's comments earlier about Smith being viewed favorably in some of these HC job searches

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North Carolina is after Summeral from tulane who is bringing his freshman qb with him.
I think smith will only leave for a job with a real Qb and the available coaching opening aren’t great outside of Chicago
 

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Not exactly breaking news but Jeremy Fowler echoing Rapoport's comments earlier about Smith being viewed favorably in some of these HC job searches

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In today's edition of Peat overthinking things, that feels like a really weaselly way of saying it. He's not saying he's heard that teams like the looks of him or have him on their shortlists. He's saying that his conjecture from Smith's response to Pittsburgh about the Tar Heels job suggests his chances of becoming an NFL HC are good, and that he was the Tar Heels' biggest target (but they're a kinda second tier NCAA team, right, not exactly attracting the best of the best and obviously having a dad who could be super booster makes him even more appealing) so obviously people love him...

And none of that seems super solid. None of it's "I'm hearing from my sources around the league that a lot of teams are looking at Smith".

And if journos have fluff pieces on Smith as a HC candidate that don't really seem to come from anywhere, then it feels like the agent is the most obvious source. Which would be worrying if true.

I'll wait for more rumours if they come but if Smith really wants to be a HC again asap, that's not ideal.
 

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Do they? They're 9-3 with a run first OC. We're doing just fine without this mythical #2. I agree an injury to Pickens would hurt certainly but there were more pressing needs like DB, OL, etc.

I'm not writing off Roman Wilson next year or Mike Williams as the year progresses either.

This was one take I never understood with our fanbase.

I've been wrong to some degree on Wilson (thought the OL wouldn't hold up and he'd get killed/pressured into a lot of mistakes) and honestly, can't believe I'm saying this, pleased with how Tomlin has handled this year, for the most part.

But in the end, the only thing that matters is playoff football. Until we win in that arena, I'm not pulling my critiques of MT.

For this franchise, you win in the playoffs within a reasonable timeframe or you should be gone. Going on a decade has been too long a drought. I've given up on them moving on at any point from Tomlin, but I'll never back down on his regular season accolades being overrated, outside of a few years when the QB play was atrocious.
They are doing fine, but a WR2 would be huge IMO. Although, Austin has been better than I was expecting with being a deep threat. Just don't think he's built for to be a WR2, though.

I agree Williams could be the answer. He fits the bill pretty well for what they are trying to do and would love to see him get some action. I don't understand why it's taking so long to get him in there.

Wilson, I dunno. I think he could be a decent WR, but given Tomlin's, Russ', and maybe Smith's aversion to throwing the ball over the middle, I'm not sure he's a fit. Doesn't strike me as a guy who can succeed on the outside.

In today's edition of Peat overthinking things, that feels like a really weaselly way of saying it. He's not saying he's heard that teams like the looks of him or have him on their shortlists. He's saying that his conjecture from Smith's response to Pittsburgh about the Tar Heels job suggests his chances of becoming an NFL HC are good, and that he was the Tar Heels' biggest target (but they're a kinda second tier NCAA team, right, not exactly attracting the best of the best and obviously having a dad who could be super booster makes him even more appealing) so obviously people love him...

And none of that seems super solid. None of it's "I'm hearing from my sources around the league that a lot of teams are looking at Smith".

And if journos have fluff pieces on Smith as a HC candidate that don't really seem to come from anywhere, then it feels like the agent is the most obvious source. Which would be worrying if true.

I'll wait for more rumours if they come but if Smith really wants to be a HC again asap, that's not ideal.
Of course, but that was obvious from the moment they hired him.

I don't know how I became this board's biggest Artie Smith fan, but it's just painfully obvious to me that he's a great coach. What he got out of Tannehill, winning that many games with the mess of QB's in Atlanta, and now revitalizing Wilson and Fields...it's not a matter of if he leaves for a HC gig, it's when he leaves for a HC gig. If I was a team looking for a new HC, he'd be near the top of my list, too.

I do think he should be a bit careful with the situation he walks into, though. If he doesn't have more success the next time, he might get put into that "great coordinator, terrible HC" box.
 

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They were doing just fine with fields at qb and would have won 10 games with him at Qb. They would still be a run 1st offense The reason the team has a chance to win in the playoffs as is is because of Wilson. Pickens Muth and Austin were actually unlocked under RW.

I take issue we were "doing just fine" with Fields at QB. That's how you get mediocre records of 8 to 9 wins each year.

His play was just above KP levels. I am not fine with what JF has to offer long term. He was a great stop gap type guy, but I'm all aboard the Wilson train hell or high water
 

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I take issue we were "doing just fine" with Fields at QB. That's how you get mediocre records of 8 to 9 wins each year.

His play was just above KP levels. I am not fine with what JF has to offer long term. He was a great stop gap type guy, but I'm all aboard the Wilson train hell or high water
Ok but you said that they are doing just fine without this mythical wr 2 because of the easy schedule the record would be identical regardless of who was at Qb. The reason the floor has been raised is RW is able to use the skill position players we do have. Still every team is going to double GP and treat him like DK and Marshal trying to get into his head and knowing that if he isn’t catching passes early he will stop focusing that’s why they need this wr 2
 

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I think one of the things I appreciate about Russ is that he has the ability to develop guys he throws the ball to. Ben was good at that also, and I think that is an underlying trait of a truly great QB. Wilson to Austin is increasingly more available and that seam route worked again. Super excited to see Russ throw to Roman Wilson next year.

I think if Austin does turn into a legit receiving threat, he's going to have to really thank Russ for developing him. Russ is corny, but I think he's good for the program and he has stopped what could have been a massive slide for us. Big respect to him.
 
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Ok but you said that they are doing just fine without this mythical wr 2 because of the easy schedule the record would be identical regardless of who was at Qb. The reason the floor has been raised is RW is able to use the skill position players we do have. Still every team is going to double GP and treat him like DK and Marshal trying to get into his head and knowing that if he isn’t catching passes early he will stop focusing that’s why they need this wr 2

You may have me confused with someone else. I never made comments about the Strength of Schedule.

All I know is this offense looks significantly better with Wilson at QB vs JF with the exact same guys surrounding him. That's a fact, regardless of opponents
 
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I take issue we were "doing just fine" with Fields at QB. That's how you get mediocre records of 8 to 9 wins each year.

His play was just above KP levels. I am not fine with what JF has to offer long term. He was a great stop gap type guy, but I'm all aboard the Wilson train hell or high water

I think Fields was getting better. I get where you are coming from, but I don't think his progression was stagnant. He was doing better every game. Would the wheels have fallen off? Who knows.

Russ has won this team 2 games, that much I do know and Fields probably wouldn't have won those. As I sit here, I really do hope these guys like each other as much as it seems and Fields is kind of cool just waiting and learning.

Fields talent is exceptional. I agree some of his deficiencies they are always going to kind of be there. That being said, he's worth waiting for and taking a chance on, IMO. You don't find QBs that can run like him very often. We should keep that.
 
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