OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson

[Buddy Bizarre]

Glad we got rid of this clown

Ravens' Harbaugh coy on future of WR Johnson

Ravens coach John Harbaugh remains vague on the future of Diontate Johnson, as the wide receiver who was acquired before the trade deadline failed to play a snap in Sunday's loss to the Eagles.

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[bigdaddyk88]

Glad we got rid of this clown

Ravens' Harbaugh coy on future of WR Johnson

Ravens coach John Harbaugh remains vague on the future of Diontate Johnson, as the wide receiver who was acquired before the trade deadline failed to play a snap in Sunday's loss to the Eagles.

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It was crazy to me when Aghlor was dropping passes and Batemen got hurt he wasn’t playing any snaps

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I think it's entirely possible that Smith is a good OC and not a good HC, but he went 7-10 with the husk of Matt Ryan, journeyman Mariota, and likely a bust in Ridder. That's not that bad.

Now, if he pushed strongly for Mariota or Ridder, it raises some questions about his talent evaluation. But he'd have Williams in Chicago. Jets would be a tougher decision because I think at 42 years old, Rodger is probably cooked, but maybe they will have a high draft pick and he can have another shot at drafting somebody. Should be a better QB class than Ridder's year (could it be much worse?).

I fully expect the bears to go all in on Ben Johnson from Detroit with Day as the fall back
He turned down the jets because they wanted him to babysit Nathan Hacket. The jets have a rebuild they have to start working on. The lbs are poor and o line is rough

 

[Khelandros]

Still not sure how the one in the endzone was an actual DPI on Porter. The ball was 5 yards out the back of the endzone.

Per rule,

Maybe Porter is right and the refs are out to get him.

 

[pistolpete11]

I fully expect the bears to go all in on Ben Johnson from Detroit with Day as the fall back
He turned down the jets because they wanted him to babysit Nathan Hacket. The jets have a rebuild they have to start working on. The lbs are poor and o line is rough

Yeah, I don't mean to imply that Smith would be their target. But somebody said Smith might not want to take the Bears or Jets job. I think he'd jump at the Bears if offered, though. Jets, maybe not.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Still not sure how the one in the endzone was an actual DPI on Porter. The ball was 5 yards out the back of the endzone.

Per rule,

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Maybe Porter is right and the refs are out to get him.

When is the last time you saw refs deem a ball uncatchable? It's been eons from my casual NFL watching.

So typically I don't watch the game with sound on, but I did for the Bengals game. IT was weird that the announcers went into the Porter convo immediately. Then shortly after that Porter got a few flags thrown his way.

Have any other announcers made mention of his grabbiness before Sunday?

 

[Peat]

I think Wilson individually and the offense as a whole have been a clear tier above Fields.

Wilson's stats are not being inflated by 1 good game. If anything, the Ravens game is the outlier that is dragging his numbers down which I dunno. Maybe it's unfair, but I just can't get too worked up about it. I've been watching this rivalry for too long to expect anything much different from anybody. I mean, the 2x NFL MVP across the field was even worse.

If we're talking about the plays you don't see on the stat sheet, I think it leans even further in Wilson's advantage. I've been pretty vocal about needing splash plays to provide instant offense from time to time and it's not even close when comparing Russ to Fields. Fields numbers are solid, but they were very conservative with him. Wilson has much more of a command of the offense and they are way more explosive with the moon balls.

I get it. He's (probably) not going to throw for 400 yards against the next 4 opponents. But statistically, stylistically, eye test, career track record, etc. I think it's being overly cautious to say we need to wait and see. The Steelers will because of their whole not wanting to discuss contracts mid-season thing, but as fans, it's pretty clear Russ is their best option for next year.

To my mind Wilson has had a jello soft schedule so no wonder he's had tons of good games. The Giants are now in a six game streak where 26 is the second lowest score they've given up. The Jets defence has cratered through injuries and Saleh's firing and everything else, and 25 is the second lowest score they've given up in the last six. The Commanders have been a weak defence all season long. And of course the Bengals are hilarious, and a style match up that has been hugely beneficial to the Steelers recently.

There's only been two problems - the Ravens and the Browns, both of them units capable of drawing the team into an AFC North rock fight - and the offence has struggled in both.

So I still think the schedule getting - theoretically - a lot harder really brings up the possibility that how we feel about Wilson can change very quickly. It probably shouldn't, but it can.

I think it's entirely possible that Smith is a good OC and not a good HC, but he went 7-10 with the husk of Matt Ryan, journeyman Mariota, and likely a bust in Ridder. That's not that bad.

Now, if he pushed strongly for Mariota or Ridder, it raises some questions about his talent evaluation. But he'd have Williams in Chicago. Jets would be a tougher decision because I think at 42 years old, Rodger is probably cooked, but maybe they will have a high draft pick and he can have another shot at drafting somebody. Should be a better QB class than Ridder's year (could it be much worse?).

Right now the scuttlebutt is that it's a long shot that Rodgers is back for the Jets (when the owner was trying to push the GM and HC to bench you, then fired both, it's a good time to get out of town). But getting a QB, as stands, involves waiting for the Giants and Raiders to take the best, and maybe the Browns too, and this doesn't feel like a draft where the 3rd/4th QB picker feels good about it.

Chicago feels like the prize plum in this, but that also suggests it's going to the prize OC (Johnson) if they can get him.

 

[TooManyHumans]

When is the last time you saw refs deem a ball uncatchable? It's been eons from my casual NFL watching.

So typically I don't watch the game with sound on, but I did for the Bengals game. IT was weird that the announcers went into the Porter convo immediately. Then shortly after that Porter got a few flags thrown his way.

Have any other announcers made mention of his grabbiness before Sunday?

I see it basically every week. I don't remember the game but I saw one this weekend. Personally, I think it is a dumb rule. They don't pick up a hold when it happens nowhere near the play.

 

[Khelandros]

When is the last time you saw refs deem a ball uncatchable? It's been eons from my casual NFL watching.

So typically I don't watch the game with sound on, but I did for the Bengals game. IT was weird that the announcers went into the Porter convo immediately. Then shortly after that Porter got a few flags thrown his way.

Have any other announcers made mention of his grabbiness before Sunday?

Yes, but not to that extent. They usually bring it up after he gets his first flag.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Sterling Sharpe inducted? Wow...weak

Holmgren, Sterling Sharpe among HOF finalists

Former Packers coach Mike Holmgren and receiver Sterling Sharpe were among the finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame chosen Tuesday.

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[pistolpete11]

To my mind Wilson has had a jello soft schedule so no wonder he's had tons of good games. The Giants are now in a six game streak where 26 is the second lowest score they've given up. The Jets defence has cratered through injuries and Saleh's firing and everything else, and 25 is the second lowest score they've given up in the last six. The Commanders have been a weak defence all season long. And of course the Bengals are hilarious, and a style match up that has been hugely beneficial to the Steelers recently.

There's only been two problems - the Ravens and the Browns, both of them units capable of drawing the team into an AFC North rock fight - and the offence has struggled in both.

So I still think the schedule getting - theoretically - a lot harder really brings up the possibility that how we feel about Wilson can change very quickly. It probably shouldn't, but it can.

The schedule with Fields as the starter was pretty soft, too. The Cowboys and Raiders are marginally better than the Bungles defense. Colts have given up the 10th most points. Falcons are middle of the pack.

He had 2 tough defenses. The Broncos where he played fine, but he wasn't asked to do much. He only threw it 20 times. And the Chargers which was a solid game from Fields and the offense as a whole, all things considered.

I dunno. I don't really get the point of the discussion to be honest. Yes, he might not play as well against good defenses as he did against bad defenses. Doesn't matter. He's still better than Fields, 42-year-old Rodgers, a rookie they draft at best in the late teens, or whatever other QB shakes loose. They aren't going to, but I'd have no problem with them extending him today.

 

[xlm34]

The schedule with Fields as the starter was pretty soft, too. The Cowboys and Raiders are marginally better than the Bungles defense. Colts have given up the 10th most points. Falcons are middle of the pack.

He had 2 tough defenses. The Broncos where he played fine, but he wasn't asked to do much. He only threw it 20 times. And the Chargers which was a solid game from Fields and the offense as a whole, all things considered.

I dunno. I don't really get the point of the discussion to be honest. Yes, he might not play as well against good defenses as he did against bad defenses. Doesn't matter. He's still better than Fields, 42-year-old Rodgers, a rookie they draft at best in the late teens, or whatever other QB shakes loose. They aren't going to, but I'd have no problem with them extending him today.

I would say it absolutely does depending on what the contract would look like. If they give him a slightly inflated Baker Mayfield contract and he struggles down the stretch would anyone really be happy with that?

 

[Pengwins]

anyone else think its ridiculous that the Kazee suspension was worse than the thug that hit Trevor Lawrence?

 

[Peat]

The schedule with Fields as the starter was pretty soft, too. The Cowboys and Raiders are marginally better than the Bungles defense. Colts have given up the 10th most points. Falcons are middle of the pack.

He had 2 tough defenses. The Broncos where he played fine, but he wasn't asked to do much. He only threw it 20 times. And the Chargers which was a solid game from Fields and the offense as a whole, all things considered.

I dunno. I don't really get the point of the discussion to be honest. Yes, he might not play as well against good defenses as he did against bad defenses. Doesn't matter. He's still better than Fields, 42-year-old Rodgers, a rookie they draft at best in the late teens, or whatever other QB shakes loose. They aren't going to, but I'd have no problem with them extending him today.

Because push comes to shove I'm not 100% sure I believe that and because I've seen enough mood swings based on the schedule to brace myself for the Wilson narrative to flip again in the coming weeks.

Maybe I am being overly cautious and pessimistic. But then the entirety of my Steelers fandom so far has been people getting excited about this team or QB, then sad trombone noises.

 

[Factorial]

 

[WickedWrister]

Really love some of the audibles by Russ when Cincy brought pressure. That last one to Van Jefferson where he brought Muth in for protection and slid Najee over was some veteran shit, to say nothing of the perfect ball.

Never thought I'd hear someone describe one of our plays as "elite and world class"

 

[MrBrightside]

Because push comes to shove I'm not 100% sure I believe that and because I've seen enough mood swings based on the schedule to brace myself for the Wilson narrative to flip again in the coming weeks.

Maybe I am being overly cautious and pessimistic. But then the entirety of my Steelers fandom so far has been people getting excited about this team or QB, then sad trombone noises.

I mean, that's just a weird thing to say. They had a star franchise QB for 15 years about whom there would be no reason to be disappointed and then they've had trash since Ben blew out his elbow and about which there would be no reason to be excited. Unless one wants to be disappointed, that is.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Really love some of the audibles by Russ when Cincy brought pressure. That last one to Van Jefferson where he brought Muth in for protection and slid Najee over was some veteran shit, to say nothing of the perfect ball.

Never thought I'd hear someone describe one of our plays as "elite and world class"

Russ is like that 40 yr old dude in the gym going against younger guys who are more physically gifted but can run point guard effectively just by moving his eyes.

 

[pistolpete11]

Because push comes to shove I'm not 100% sure I believe that and because I've seen enough mood swings based on the schedule to brace myself for the Wilson narrative to flip again in the coming weeks.

Maybe I am being overly cautious and pessimistic. But then the entirety of my Steelers fandom so far has been people getting excited about this team or QB, then sad trombone noises.

I dunno, man. If the people you are listening to were getting excited about Mason Rudolph, Duck Hodges, Mitch Trubisky, and Kenny Pickett, you should probably find new people to listen to.

With Fields, I think he's been better than people expect, but it has led to people overrating him. He was fine. He wasn't asked to do much, but he did it well. He played a few bad defense as I mentioned but did not put up the numbers Russ is. He was just...fine. Russ has been very, very good outside of the Ravens game. If they asked Fields to do what Russ is doing, it has the potential to be very, very ugly.

I would get your point if Russ came out of nowhere like Rudolph, but we're talking about a Super Bowl winning, likely HoF QB here. Sure, he's probably not as good as he was in Seattle, but that's still a legitimately good QB, not "we hope he can continue to develop"

I would say it absolutely does depending on what the contract would look like. If they give him a slightly inflated Baker Mayfield contract and he struggles down the stretch would anyone really be happy with that?

I think it would depend on the why he struggled. The offense still has some holes. Particularly WR, but also an average RB and some up and down OL.

And again, what's the alternative?

I dunno. I'd rather continue to build around Russ and get him help than roll the dice again on yet another QB and hope for better.

 

[JTG]

Watching Tucker's demise is kind of fun.

Crazy guy at the bar said that they are developing an entire Fields package to use in playoff games and we won't see much until then. I'd say the dude was insane, but the men who frequent this bar golf with Steelers staff.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Watching Tucker's demise is kind of fun.

Crazy guy at the bar said that they are developing an entire Fields package to use in playoff games and we won't see much until then. I'd say the dude was insane, but the men who frequent this bar golf with Steelers staff.

Wouldnt doubt it at all

 

[Peat]

I dunno, man. If the people you are listening to were getting excited about Mason Rudolph, Duck Hodges, Mitch Trubisky, and Kenny Pickett, you should probably find new people to listen to.

With Fields, I think he's been better than people expect, but it has led to people overrating him. He was fine. He wasn't asked to do much, but he did it well. He played a few bad defense as I mentioned but did not put up the numbers Russ is. He was just...fine. Russ has been very, very good outside of the Ravens game. If they asked Fields to do what Russ is doing, it has the potential to be very, very ugly.

I would get your point if Russ came out of nowhere like Rudolph, but we're talking about a Super Bowl winning, likely HoF QB here. Sure, he's probably not as good as he was in Seattle, but that's still a legitimately good QB, not "we hope he can continue to develop"

I think the last paragraph is the difference between me and you. To me, it's been too long since his peak to think he's still there. He's had too many struggles at Denver for me to fully trust. I compare him a bit to Ben's last season. Clearly possessed of some elite traits but without a fully rounded game. In Ben's case, when he ran into a serious team, they could just ruthlessly exploit that and the Steelers might as well have stayed home.

Wilson hasn't faced many serious teams. Don't know what he is there. He's nowhere near as physically decomposed as Roeth was but to me, Wilson looks like there's some holes in his veteran savvy at times. Most games this season he's been able to shred teams enough that it doesn't matter, but then we're back to the schedule.

So I'm still going to be a bit wait and see on that.

I'd very much like to work him out and use him as a veteran mentor, hopefully for the next guy but for the rest of the offence if not. But, again, I'm waiting and seeing.

Watching Tucker's demise is kind of fun.

Crazy guy at the bar said that they are developing an entire Fields package to use in playoff games and we won't see much until then. I'd say the dude was insane, but the men who frequent this bar golf with Steelers staff.

Genuinely wouldn't surprise me. Equally wouldn't surprise me if he was wrong.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Watching Tucker's demise is kind of fun.

Crazy guy at the bar said that they are developing an entire Fields package to use in playoff games and we won't see much until then. I'd say the dude was insane, but the men who frequent this bar golf with Steelers staff.

Unless he lines up at rb and wr some the package will be limited
Read option Rpo or deep shot

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Watching hard knocks and you can see why players would run through a wall for tomlin. These other coaches are such nerds in comparison

 

[T1K]

Watching Tucker's demise is kind of fun.

Crazy guy at the bar said that they are developing an entire Fields package to use in playoff games and we won't see much until then. I'd say the dude was insane, but the men who frequent this bar golf with Steelers staff.

If they can successfully pull that off we’ll be looking for a new OC because someone will poach Smith. I think there’s no question Fields has the ability to excel in a rushing focused role, but he needs to pass sometimes too and it’s tough to do that with limited reps.