disappointed after the big talk about justin fields by pickens that he still is putting himself in a place to have his effort questioned. drops and mistakes are gonna happen, but he should be forcing teams to account for him on every snap. we know hes a dominant blocker when he wants to be, lets get back to that version
OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson
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This quote doesn't necessarily mean that Wilson will play when he's healthy. His response has basically been all along, "We're not going to deal with hypotheticals and we'll make a decision when the both of them are healthy". Fields hasn't played at a level where he should be the unquestioned starter, but QB13ish level performance? It's been somewhere between good and average. I don't know how much more they can realistically hope for with Wilson.
There's a chance they look at the body of work and continue with him. It's what I would do. If the defense gets a stop on that final drive, we're talking about Fields and that comeback 4th quarter game winning TD. But I do think Tomlin is more binary about wins and losses and B2B losses opens the door for Wilson and he probably takes it.
If Wilson does get the job back, I don't think he gets a very long leash either. Same principles apply, like losing B2B games or 3 out of 4 will warrant another switch. This could happen after the bye.
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60 seconds of rage inducing 3rd and long conversions from the last 2 weeks
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Is that the only difference??? Numbers will only tell you so much. There is OL quality, Running game, WEAPONS and OFFENSIVE COACHING>
I know that Tomlin has generally been equivocal about the subject but to me, that quote reads fairly cut and dry. Either he slipped, or he wanted to prepare us for this change, but to me I can't see how it means anything other than "Wilson once fit" if Wilson is fit next week.
Is that the right call? As I've said, I have no idea. I suspect Tomlin is in love with the idea there's still Pro Bowl Wilson in there and he's going to do amazing things but I don't really believe in that. I respect that I could be wrong and it could happen, but I wouldn't bet on it.
But I don't know how much I'd want Fields to continue to getting chances. I mean, to a certain extent as someone who only values elite QBs, it's academic for me whether he's an average QB to be brushed aside or a good QB to be given more rope. But I don't really know. The offence as a whole once again f***s pigs for crack money so it's hard to be sure what's going on. EPA likes him. QBR doesn't. The tape features a mix of shit. He's advanced a hell of a lot quicker than I thought possible in cleaning up and improving his game but I don't know that means I actually like him.
So I plead my ignorance on that one. But I think Tomlin's likely actions are more predictable.
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Yes those are all things that the Cardinals have advantage on the Steelers with.
The point is that Fields is performing like a $30+ million QB and benching him is just scapegoating him for the offense around him being terrible. Like I said, he has literally every single one of this team's offensive TDs this year.
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He admittedly threw me by not answering in a sing-song cliche saying.
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No they were not botched snaps by fraizer. The one against the colts Fields moved his leg when they were going on silent. Fraizer was still calling the protection then Fields tried to change the play. The dude had 30 fumbles in Chicago this isn’t new
Yes they do want Fields to take deep shots off of play action that’s his best trait. Deep sideline throws to DJ more or Pickens. He doesn’t operate well under center he is never going to be a consistent 250 300 yard passer. Tomlin had 0 faith in Fields getting a game tying FG last night
No way is fields performance anything close 30 million dollars. Not even sure he gets the 10 million Darnold is making or the 2/24 Minshew is making
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National media is now questioning Tomlin's head scratching decision making and horrid clock management issues.
From Sports Illustrated:
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From Sports Illustrated:
Mike Tomlin Questions Getting Bigger for Steelers
PITTSBURGH -- Throughout head coach Mike Tomlin's tenure with the Pittsburgh Steelers, the consistent mantra throughout has been 'the standard is the standard'.
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Coastal Kev
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The NFL should put Mahomes in this offense for a week just to clarify things for fans.
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You're insufferable and I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees that.
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Changing Fields for Wilson isn't going to fix anything. Adding a better receiver might but then it's all on Smith to not be a f***ing twat with his play calling and using the offense properly. Still a horrible lack of usage of the tight ends and another year of a me first loser in a prominent role - Pickens.
If they're going to move Diontae for his bullshit, I'm fine moving Pickens even with the talent he has, I move him for another wide receiver, a top one that's maybe older but with less attitude issues because GP showing zero maturity when we thought he would.
This reminds me of Diontae doing similar shit last season.
If they're going to move Diontae for his bullshit, I'm fine moving Pickens even with the talent he has, I move him for another wide receiver, a top one that's maybe older but with less attitude issues because GP showing zero maturity when we thought he would.
This reminds me of Diontae doing similar shit last season.
He absolutely didn't with less, even you don't believe that shit.
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Although I agree regarding the attitude, players not only are competitive. But their compensation is directly tied to their production.
If I were a talented WR, I would be hard pressed not to be pissed stuck in Tomlin's stone age college football defense first, second, third and every number after system.
Yes, blame the OC to a degree. But this is all Tomlin. Tomlin chose him because his natural tendency is this kind of football and Tomlin clipped his wings even more. If you think that he doesn't have some hard guardrails on what he can call during the game then you have missed Tomlin for the last half decade.
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The leading wr for the Chiefs in last years superbowl Hardman and Watson he was their leading rusher
I'm gonna throw it out there that maybe we overdo the mitigating factors stuff. Pickens is top 20 for redzone targets. He is thanks to the last couple of games back in the top 30 for targets. Yards per game too. Yeah, Pickens talent deserves top 10 usage if the effort matches it... but throwing a sulk because your not exactly conscientious efforts only have you top 30 is a real removing your nose to spite your face moment.
If Pickens was willing to work for it, he'd have got his in this offence. Even with Tomlin.
I had some sympathy last year when the passing game was just atrocious. This year, it's not good but it's possible to make a living there. If Pickens wants to sulk about it, then I'm okay with the team doing whatever they want to do about it. Bench him, trade him, whatever. I know the team can't really afford losing his talent but when he's sulking, it's 80% lost anyway.
If Pickens was willing to work for it, he'd have got his in this offence. Even with Tomlin.
I had some sympathy last year when the passing game was just atrocious. This year, it's not good but it's possible to make a living there. If Pickens wants to sulk about it, then I'm okay with the team doing whatever they want to do about it. Bench him, trade him, whatever. I know the team can't really afford losing his talent but when he's sulking, it's 80% lost anyway.
