OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson

[T1K]

Given all the factors with Adams I don’t know if I’d blame him for not overpaying, but I think this will end up being one of my biggest pet peeves with Khan. There’s no need to go full Jim Rutherford but at a certain point I think he needs to prioritize solving a problem that’s hurting the team over getting a good deal.

Adams is a difference maker worth paying for, but I’ll hold off on criticizing Khan until the TDL passes. There are a few names available besides Adam’s that I would be fine with.

 

[WickedWrister]

Given all the factors with Adams I don’t know if I’d blame him for not overpaying, but I think this will end up being one of my biggest pet peeves with Khan. There’s no need to go full Jim Rutherford but at a certain point I think he needs to prioritize solving a problem that’s hurting the team over getting a good deal.

I agree this is a clear and obvious hole on the roster but WR is arguably the deepest position in the league - there will be other options available. Probably not the pedigree of Adams though.

I still balk at a 2nd, but that’s just me.

I liked Peats suggestion of Christian Kirk, what this WR group really needs is what it lost - an easy separator.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841478751688745013

 

[TooManyHumans]

I agree this is a clear and obvious hole on the roster but WR is arguably the deepest position in the league - there will be other options available. Probably not the pedigree of Adams though.

I still balk at a 2nd, but that’s just me.

I liked Peats suggestion of Christian Kirk, what this WR group really needs is what it lost - an easy separator.

Yep, I'd rather some other team overpay for Adams (in draft picks and then that bloated salary) and have the Steelers pick up another WR on the cheap(er).

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Yep, I'd rather some other team overpay for Adams (in draft picks and then that bloated salary) and have the Steelers pick up another WR on the cheap(er).

This is the most likely scenario.

 

[WickedWrister]

Yep, I'd rather some other team overpay for Adams (in draft picks and then that bloated salary) and have the Steelers pick up another WR on the cheap(er).

Not to mention we have a better hit rate on 2nd round picks than 1st rounders of late

 

[T1K]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841507543836692658

 

[Peat]

A 2nd is a tough pill to swallow for Adams. Dude's still real good, I think, but he doesn't have a lot of time left being 32. To pay a guy that much for the downside of his career seems like one of those desperate attempts to be relevant that loser franchises make. I'd rather stay the course (or go a cheaper route) and continue to build for the next few years than shoot their shot now.

I also think it's kinda weird they let it 'leak' that they want a 2nd+. I get they are trying to set a high price for him in hopes someone will pay it, but if not, are they going to settle and look foolish in front of their fans (and ownership)?

I wonder if the answer to that one is based on the phone calls they've already made, that 2nd is the highest price already bid and now they're gonna see if anyone fancies going higher.

In any case, I'm not gonna be mad if they upgrade the WR position for obvious reasons. But I'm not gonna be mad if it's not a 2nd for Adams with a bunch of questions over his future.

 

[T1K]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841511126221422846

 

[Peat]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841203667715735706

 

[T1K]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841518781568328049

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

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[bigdaddyk88]

I wonder if the answer to that one is based on the phone calls they've already made, that 2nd is the highest price already bid and now they're gonna see if anyone fancies going higher.

In any case, I'm not gonna be mad if they upgrade the WR position for obvious reasons. But I'm not gonna be mad if it's not a 2nd for Adams with a bunch of questions over his future.

The 2nd is based on Diggs plus teams will have to guarantee him some money on his next contract. Probably ends up a 3rd and 5th

 

[Pengwins]

I have a feeling with how Fields is grading out, he's going to go sign a 1 year deal somewhere else for a better WR room and then cashes in. He's been pretty good. He has shown glimmers of his old self and the mistakes he was making.

doubt it. we will probably re-sign him. taking a 1-year deal on some other crap team is risky

 

[bigdaddyk88]

doubt it. we will probably re-sign him. taking a 1-year deal on some other crap team is risky

He literally had Mooney Moore and Pickens get 1000 yards as he wr 1. He is doing exactly what he did in Chicago the question is can he feed 3 pass catchers if needed weekly

 

[Peat]

I have a feeling with how Fields is grading out, he's going to go sign a 1 year deal somewhere else for a better WR room and then cashes in. He's been pretty good. He has shown glimmers of his old self and the mistakes he was making.

I really struggle to imagine a QB who's had such problems with coaching and environment deciding to roll the dice again after finding somewhere that works for him.

I also struggle to think of a QB friendly environment that's going to need a guy.

Right now the most likely destination looks like Fields signing some variant of Mayfield's Tampa deal with the Steelers.

He literally had Mooney Moore and Pickens get 1000 yards as he wr 1. He is doing exactly what he did in Chicago the question is can he feed 3 pass catchers if needed weekly

I would argue he's currently a far less explosive, far safer thrower than in Chicago.

But, more importantly, it's going to be very hard to find out if he can feed 3 pass catchers without giving him 3 pass catchers and a scheme where he makes aggressive throwing plays regularly. At some point the team needs to take a leap of faith on him. Or decide it will not do that and they should move on.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think most people are expecting the Jets to be the ones to pull off Adams, it makes sense with Rodgers being the QB there. That being said, unless Adams says he won't go to the Steelers, it will be pretty inexcusable for the Steelers to not pull him off.

 

[WickedWrister]

I would argue he's currently a far less explosive, far safer thrower than in Chicago.

But, more importantly, it's going to be very hard to find out if he can feed 3 pass catchers without giving him 3 pass catchers and a scheme where he makes aggressive throwing plays regularly. At some point the team needs to take a leap of faith on him. Or decide it will not do that and they should move on.

I don't know if I would say he's far less explosive than he was in Chicago. Maybe in the rushing aspect (which I know you love ) but he's averaging better passing numbers across the board, even in yards per attempt and air yards.

I'm not sure how many of these 10+ yard rushes he's accounting for, but I can think of at least a handful.

 

[Peat]

I think most people are expecting the Jets to be the ones to pull off Adams, it makes sense with Rodgers being the QB there. That being said, unless Adams says he won't go to the Steelers, it will be pretty inexcusable for the Steelers to not pull him off.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

 

[Shaftception]

They really need to look at OLB, and OL depth before WR .

Given all the factors with Adams I don’t know if I’d blame him for not overpaying, but I think this will end up being one of my biggest pet peeves with Khan. There’s no need to go full Jim Rutherford but at a certain point I think he needs to prioritize solving a problem that’s hurting the team over getting a good deal.

I don't see as much hesitancy to spend for needs as I do hesitancy to spend it on offensive ones, though admittedly this is due somewhat to recent draft investment. To me, he actually hasn't seemed all that overly concerned about overpaying for talent, as long as its on the side of the ball that is already the most invested in in the league.

Didn't seem to have much trouble backing up the truck for Queen in the offseason, who has so far proved Ravens fans who questioned Queen's contract for riding Smith's coattails last year for the most part right.

I worry more about how much the supposed talent on this team seems to underperform in the most important moments/games comparative to how much of the budget is spent on it, than I am the degree to which Khan and co. are willing to potentially overcommit to acquire said talent in the first place.

Whenever this team finally proves in an important game again the money they do spend isn't seemingly wasted, I'll worry about where they could afford to trim the fat off their salary structure.

 

[xlm34]

He can’t be much worse than what they’ve got but that is an ugly looking route. Impossible to judge off of just one practice clip, but if he’s looking like that consistently I can somewhat understand why he hasn’t seen the field.

 

[Peat]

I don't know if I would say he's far less explosive than he was in Chicago. Maybe in the rushing aspect (which I know you love ) but he's averaging better passing numbers across the board, even in yards per attempt and air yards.

I'm not sure how many of these 10+ yard rushes he's accounting for, but I can think of at least a handful.

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You are mostly correct and I am brainfarting.

There are some metrics pointing to Fields in general pushing the ball less than he did with the Bears - his Intended Air Yards is low - but when you find stats showing explosive plays then yeah, he's explosive.

And since I'm bored -

Fields - 3
Harris - 4
Warren - 2
Patterson - 5

Hmm. I've missed one but at most one a game. I didn't expect to find Patterson was the champ, or that all of those runs came in two drives (two of Harris' came on one of those drives as well, that last one vs the Chargers where they just looked like they wanted it o be over).

Didn't seem to have much trouble backing up the truck for Queen in the offseason, who has so far proved Ravens fans who questioned Queen's contract for riding Smith's coattails last year for the most part right.

Queen said he took less money to come to the Steelers. Still not a small contract, but also an indication of Khan being a bit frugal - just he won that time because Queen thought he'd win playing for Tomlin.

 

[xlm34]

I don't see as much hesitancy to spend for needs as I do hesitancy to spend it on offensive ones, though admittedly this is due somewhat to recent draft investment. To me, he actually hasn't seemed all that overly concerned about overpaying for talent, as long as its on the side of the ball that is already the most invested in in the league.

Didn't seem to have much trouble backing up the truck for Queen in the offseason, who has so far proved Ravens fans who questioned Queen's contract for riding Smith's coattails last year for the most part right.

I worry more about how much the supposed talent on this team seems to underperform in the most important moments/games comparative to how much of the budget is spent on it, than I am the degree to which Khan and co. are willing to potentially overcommit to acquire said talent in the first place.

Whenever this team finally proves in an important game again the money they do spend isn't seemingly wasted, I'll worry about where they could afford to trim the fat off their salary structure.

Queen’s deal is really team friendly. They can cut him after the season for very little dead cap money if he doesn’t improve. It’s basically a prove it deal.

And I get what you’re coming from with the offensive side of the ball, but they were willing to give Aiyuk 27 million a year to come here. Khan just tried to play some hard ball in trade negotiations and got got.