OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson

[bigdaddyk88]

Who is in charge of development? It's certainly not the HC

Detroit’s coaching. Did you notice how involved the coaches are at every moment of the game?

It’s not just when someone messes up and it’s a “teaching moment”. Randle-El was over with the receivers after every successful drive, every TD, basically coaching his ass off.

I rarely see that from our coaches. I’m being serious.

There is a serious coaching void we have in Pittsburgh right now. If a play isn’t successful it’s because someone lost a 1 on 1 battle, a bounce didn’t go our way or we couldn’t “will” it to happen.

Both SF and DET’s coaching is so superior to ours. Tell me, all game, why were their receivers and TEs just running free in the secondary? For both teams? When in the hell is it ever an easy completion for us like that?

Rooney has to be out of his senile old mind if he gives an ounce of a f*** about what is going on in the league to think what is going on here is acceptable or competitive.

This isn’t going to end well.

We want to be a play action team like SF and Det however we don’t have a Qb who can take advantage of in breaking routes. Mason did a little bit. They barely use slants because RW is short he can’t see. They also have way more playmakers than us on offense.
We aren’t sb contenders we need to upgrade cb wr and dl room and then worry about Qb.

 

[MrBrightside]

We want to be a play action team like SF and Det however we don’t have a Qb who can take advantage of in breaking routes. Mason did a little bit. They barely use slants because RW is short he can’t see. They also have way more playmakers than us on offense.
We aren’t sb contenders we need to upgrade cb wr and dl room and then worry about Qb.

Jesus the arguments that the Steelers have other issues so they shouldn't worry about finding a QB are insanely awful. "I'm too fat so I need to lose weight before I can start exercising" makes more sense. Waiting to address the most important position unless and until you have an otherwise flawless team is pure Tomlin apologist bullshit. You know that, but anything to deflect blame from coaching.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Jesus the arguments that the Steelers have other issues so they shouldn't worry about finding a QB are insanely awful. "I'm too fat so I need to lose weight before I can start exercising" makes more sense. Waiting to address the most important position unless and until you have an otherwise flawless team is pure Tomlin apologist bullshit. You know that, but anything to deflect blame from coaching.

where’s this Qb coming from? This class has 2 plug n play players and we aren’t getting either. Darnold is going to get paid. Ewers and Milroe are probably staying in college.
Fields will be in the same class as carr Winston guy’s looking for bridge jobs
Kirk or Rodgers vet minimum
You paying RW knowing he has 1 years left at most
Teams like Arizona might move Murray
They tried to fix the line in 24 get playmakers in 25 and defense depth
Qb in 26

 

[MrBrightside]

where’s this Qb coming from? This class has 2 plug n play players and we aren’t getting either. Darnold is going to get paid. Ewers and Milroe are probably staying in college.
Fields will be in the same class as carr Winston guy’s looking for bridge jobs
Kirk or Rodgers vet minimum
You paying RW knowing he has 1 years left at most
Teams like Arizona might move Murray
They tried to fix the line in 24 get playmakers in 25 and defense depth
Qb in 26

And if there isn't one, there isn't one, but the concept of waiting to get a QB until you have a perfect roster is absurd. And yes, this will be great for you, so when Tomlin goes 9-8 or 10-7 next year you can blame not getting a QB.

 

[MrBrightside]

Rough day for the "it just means more" SEC homers. I know, I know, they just didn't care about these games...

 

[bigdaddyk88]

And if there isn't one, there isn't one, but the concept of waiting to get a QB until you have a perfect roster is absurd. And yes, this will be great for you, so when Tomlin goes 9-8 or 10-7 next year you can blame not getting a QB.

They will have to trade up for a Qb in 26 even if it means they sacrifice picks in the future. Ideally it’s similar to kc trading up for Maholmes and they have the rookie redshirt

 

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The gaslighting on GetUp right now is ridiculous

 

[ColePens]

I have no clue what GetUp is.... but i'll say it's f***ing a C R I M E that Smith can't go to the NFL immediately. He should get a pass.

 

[WickedWrister]

Matt Miller's 1st round draft grades: 12 in total

QB: 0
RB: Jeanty (7th overall)
WR: Hunter (1st), Burden (10th), McMillan (11th)
TE: Warren (9th)
OT: Banks (4th)
IOL: 0
EDGE: Carter (2nd), Walker (8th), Williams (12th)
DT: Graham (5th)
LB: 0
CB: Johnson (3rd)
S: Starks (6th)

 

[wheelz87]

Matt Miller's 1st round draft grades: 12 in total

QB: 0
RB: Jeanty (7th overall)
WR: Hunter (1st), Burden (10th), McMillan (11th)
TE: Warren (9th)
OT: Banks (4th)
IOL: 0
EDGE: Carter (2nd), Walker (8th), Williams (12th)
DT: Graham (5th)
LB: 0
CB: Johnson (3rd)
S: Starks (6th)

and yet there will be 4 qbs that are first rounders because gotta overdraft a qb!

I have no clue what GetUp is.... but i'll say it's f***ing a C R I M E that Smith can't go to the NFL immediately. He should get a pass.

nooooo. we get two more years of him!

 

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[WickedWrister]

and yet there will be 4 qbs that are first rounders because gotta overdraft a qb!

nooooo. we get two more years of him!

I was thinking 4 throughout the season but I'm not sure Beck has done enough to warrant 1st round consideration. Didn't really finish strong and now UCL surgery on his throwing elbow means he won't be able to participate fully in the pre draft process.

I haven't seen too many draft people touting Milroe as a first rounder either. Didn't watch their bowl game but his numbers were ugly.

Miller mentions Shedeur and Cam Ward, but I think Ewers could end up as QB3 with a strong CFP.

"One year after seeing six quarterbacks drafted in the first round, the 2025 class has zero passers with a true first-round grade. Colorado's Shedeur Sanders and Miami's Cam Ward would have both been ranked behind Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye and even J.J. McCarthy in 2024.

Both Sanders and Ward are talented and have the potential to rise in the pre-draft process, but I wouldn't be comfortable calling them first-round prospects based on this season's tape. That doesn't mean they won't be drafted in the first round. In fact, it's a safe bet that both get drafted in the top five selections; quarterbacks always go early."

 

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I was thinking 4 throughout the season but I'm not sure Beck has done enough to warrant 1st round consideration. Didn't really finish strong and now UCL surgery on his throwing elbow means he won't be able to participate fully in the pre draft process.

I haven't seen too many draft people touting Milroe as a first rounder either. Didn't watch their bowl game but his numbers were ugly.

Miller mentions Shedeur and Cam Ward, but I think Ewers could end up as QB3 with a strong CFP.

None of the top qb’s in this draft are impressive. And whoever mentioned us taking a flier on Milroe the other week is a moron.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I’d have to understand by what they meant by Flyer……..like 4-5th rounder, maybe ok but if they were saying 1st or 2nd day then absolutely no.

Milroe has never been impressive. He is just not good at throwing the ball and being accurate. And he does not have elite speed.

I’d rather take a late round flyer on Beck or Rourke or even Klubnik or Dart.

 

[Peat]

I was thinking 4 throughout the season but I'm not sure Beck has done enough to warrant 1st round consideration. Didn't really finish strong and now UCL surgery on his throwing elbow means he won't be able to participate fully in the pre draft process.

I haven't seen too many draft people touting Milroe as a first rounder either. Didn't watch their bowl game but his numbers were ugly.

Miller mentions Shedeur and Cam Ward, but I think Ewers could end up as QB3 with a strong CFP.

If the 1st round pickings are as thin as Miller says, and I think he's saying what Brugler's been kind of hinting at, I think that boosts the case for a third QB. It's a lot easier for a team to trade back in if teams are running out of guys they care about and I can see a team deciding they like Milroe enough for that.

Beck's injury and Allar not declaring probably kills any chance for a 4th.

 

[wheelz87]

I was thinking 4 throughout the season but I'm not sure Beck has done enough to warrant 1st round consideration. Didn't really finish strong and now UCL surgery on his throwing elbow means he won't be able to participate fully in the pre draft process.

I haven't seen too many draft people touting Milroe as a first rounder either. Didn't watch their bowl game but his numbers were ugly.

Miller mentions Shedeur and Cam Ward, but I think Ewers could end up as QB3 with a strong CFP.

I really haven't been impressed with Beck or (knock on wood) Ewers this year. I'm not sure what to think of Shadeur and I have a huge negative bias against him anyways. Even Ward.. idk really disappointed by this QB group. I saw a mock a while back had us taking Milroe late. Not a fan of that either. I'd rather continue building the team. Get some weapons this year. Then we'll have the line and everything but the franchise QB.

Its almost like. This team is better when they throw to set up the run. Who'd a thunk it!

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The problem with this class of Qbs is people are taking nil and sticking to school. Ewers has a rumored offer to stay in school. Nussmier Aller already went back to school Lenorad at ND is getting looks at qb 3 Dart Shov at Louisville

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Matt Miller's 1st round draft grades: 12 in total

QB: 0
RB: Jeanty (7th overall)
WR: Hunter (1st), Burden (10th), McMillan (11th)
TE: Warren (9th)
OT: Banks (4th)
IOL: 0
EDGE: Carter (2nd), Walker (8th), Williams (12th)
DT: Graham (5th)
LB: 0
CB: Johnson (3rd)
S: Starks (6th)

Interesting to see Hunter listed as wr

 

[pistolpete11]

College football playoffs have been awful so far. The only exciting game has been Texas-Arizona State and I stopped watching it because it wasn't for 3 quarters. I can't believe we are going to go through all of this just to end up with Ohio-State-Georgia in the National Championship game

 

[Goalie_Bob]

College football playoffs have been awful so far. The only exciting game has been Texas-Arizona State and I stopped watching it because it wasn't for 3 quarters. I can't believe we are going to go through all of this just to end up with Ohio-State-Georgia in the National Championship game

Except in prior years, that would not have been possible. OSU was ranked sixth before the playoffs.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

College football playoffs have been awful so far. The only exciting game has been Texas-Arizona State and I stopped watching it because it wasn't for 3 quarters. I can't believe we are going to go through all of this just to end up with Ohio-State-Georgia in the National Championship game

Not sure your getting Georgia it very well could be a big 10 championship
Its the first time we have a 2 loss champion in over 10 years.
There’s only 6 good teams in the 12 team playoffs to begin with

 

[pistolpete11]

Except in prior years, that would not have been possible. OSU was ranked sixth before the playoffs.

I know, I'm just joking because it seems like Georgia and Ohio State are always in the National Championship or at least 4 team playoff. I know that's not entirely true either.

Not sure your getting Georgia it very well could be a big 10 championship
Its the first time we have a 2 loss champion in over 10 years.
There’s only 6 good teams in the 12 team playoffs to begin with

I'm a Penn State guy and I think this is the weakest the SEC has been in a long time, but I'm not betting on it given Franklin's track record against top 10 teams.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

RB Index, Week 18: Five teams that need to upgrade their running back rooms this offseason

"There are definitely teams with worse backfields, but for what Mike Tomlin wants his Steelers to be, there is much to be desired in the run game. This year's attack ranks third in the NFL in attempts, 10th in rush yards, 19th in rush TDs (13) and 24th in yards per carry (4.1). The unit has been steady and routinely wears down defenses due to sheer volume and physicality (it has 117 forced missed tackles), but because Arthur Smith's offense leans on that element more than any other, I'd like to see it become more explosive on a regular basis. Pittsburgh's RBs have posted 48 runs of at least 10 yards (fourth in the NFL) but rank 20th in rush yards over expected with -2(!) on the season, per Next Gen Stats.

Najee Harris has been so solid in his four years with Pittsburgh, racking up 1,000 rush yards in each season, while backup Jaylen Warren has provided the offense with a pass-catching option as a change-of-pace back when healthy. Both are set to become free agents this offseason, with Pittsburgh having declined Harris' fifth-year option. As they potentially move on from Harris, who averages fewer than 4.0 yards per carry for his career, look for the Steelers to bring in a younger, more explosive RB for 2025. And I won't be surprised if they re-sign Warren, who'll be a restricted free agent this offseason."

Exactly what we all have been saying and it is nice to see it validated by experts as well. I agree that they resign Warren, probably for around 2x 3mil. Justice Hill comp.

This years draft is extremely deep for RBs. So I can see them drafting a RB in the 2nd-4th round.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Warren is going to cost at least 4 million a 2nd round tender is over 5 million. Even the best rb Jeanty struggled when teams stacked 8 in the box. You need to be able to pass to help the running game

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Warren is going to cost at least 4 million a 2nd round tender is over 5 million. Even the best rb Jeanty struggled when teams stacked 8 in the box. You need to be able to pass to help the running game

Do you think someone would pay a 2nd rounder for him? I don't, if so, trade him and get the 2nd round pick. Then use it to draft one of the top RBs.

ERFA value is 3.185.

Justice Hill got 2x3mil, Zack Moss got 2x4mil, Gus Edwards got 2x3.25mil. He is very much in that range.