The Pierre Turgeon Trade

[Fish on The Sand]

Houle's regime screwed up the two most important trades that they made.

I understand that Roy only had one year left on his deal, so it was a tricky one to try and get value, but they further handcuffed themselves by trying to make the deal as quick as possible. It almost felt like a panic move.

Turgeon also had run his course with this club and had to be dealt. However, stl preyed and montreal once again gets the short end.

To be fair though, Houle had a couple good moments. Drafting of Markov, Ribeiro, Ryder, and the trade sending thibault and Manson out in exchange for Hackett and weinrich.

Houle would have literally had nothing to do with any of those.

In addition to the Hackett trade, I felt the Malakhov for Souray trade was good, or at least it turned out good. I have no clue how well Souray was regarded as a prospect at the time.

 

[JianYang]

Houle would have literally had nothing to do with any of those.

In addition to the Hackett trade, I felt the Malakhov for Souray trade was good, or at least it turned out good. I have no clue how well Souray was regarded as a prospect at the time.

Well, it's implied that I'm talking about the Houle regime than just Houle on his own.

GM's lean on their staff to make hockey decisions but its their name that is attached to each transaction for better or worse.

I think souray was regarded as a good soldier at the time. Somebody who can play a rugged game and stand up for his mates. I don't think anybody expected him to become a goal machine though.

I think the Habs were trying to get Dagenais as a part of the package too, but ended up with dewolfe.

 

[HuGort]

Houle would have literally had nothing to do with any of those.

In addition to the Hackett trade, I felt the Malakhov for Souray trade was good, or at least it turned out good. I have no clue how well Souray was regarded as a prospect at the time.

Didn't we get Souray in Rechhi trade?

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Didn't we get Souray in Rechhi trade?

Nope, we got Zubrus for Recchi.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Well, it's implied that I'm talking about the Houle regime than just Houle on his own.

GM's lean on their staff to make hockey decisions but its their name that is attached to each transaction for better or worse.

I think souray was regarded as a good soldier at the time. Somebody who can play a rugged game and stand up for his mates. I don't think anybody expected him to become a goal machine though.

I think the Habs were trying to get Dagenais as a part of the package too, but ended up with dewolfe.

Those late round picks though, for any team, is just a matter of luck than anything else though.

Picking NHL talent in the later rounds isn't a repeatable skill for any scout so I'm not inclined to give credit to any scout for that.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Well, it's implied that I'm talking about the Houle regime than just Houle on his own.

GM's lean on their staff to make hockey decisions but its their name that is attached to each transaction for better or worse.

I think souray was regarded as a good soldier at the time. Somebody who can play a rugged game and stand up for his mates. I don't think anybody expected him to become a goal machine though.

I think the Habs were trying to get Dagenais as a part of the package too, but ended up with dewolfe.

Souray was a treat to watch even if it was very short lived. We’ve had some real weapons on the point over somewhat recent years with guys like Souray, Streit, Subban, and Weber. Even Petry had a bomb from time to time. I get as much enjoyment out of these types of players as the most skilled guys.

 

[JianYang]

Souray was a treat to watch even if it was very short lived. We’ve had some real weapons on the point over somewhat recent years with guys like Souray, Streit, Subban, and Weber. Even Petry had a bomb from time to time. I get as much enjoyment out of these types of players as the most skilled guys.

Souray was strange in the sense that he had so many wrist issues. Before the wrist problems, he had a bomb but he couldn't hit the net.

He comes back after multiple wrist procedures, and suddenly, his bombs are finding the net. I'd like to know what they inserted in his wrist!

In all seriousness though, his wrist issues never went away and he was quite injury prone. Who knows how many more goals he could have scored.

I think we all had a sense of excitement everytime we saw souray was set to unload a bomb that year he scored 26.

 

[HuGort]

Nope, we got Zubrus for Recchi.

Okay, my memory of that time I try to forget

 

[LaP]

Houle would have literally had nothing to do with any of those.

In addition to the Hackett trade, I felt the Malakhov for Souray trade was good, or at least it turned out good. I have no clue how well Souray was regarded as a prospect at the time.

Souray was a good young player this was one of his few trades that was not universally hated day 1.

 

[yianik]

Houle would have literally had nothing to do with any of those.

In addition to the Hackett trade, I felt the Malakhov for Souray trade was good, or at least it turned out good. I have no clue how well Souray was regarded as a prospect at the time.

I was thrilled to get Souray, I had liked him for a bit. Yes, Hackett trade was a good one. And that's about that.

 

[HabsQC]

This was the Habs darkest period.

 

[JianYang]

Those late round picks though, for any team, is just a matter of luck than anything else though.

Picking NHL talent in the later rounds isn't a repeatable skill for any scout so I'm not inclined to give credit to any scout for that.

The draft in general has alot of luck involved. They are projecting where a player is going to be 5 years from now, as the vast majority of drafted players will not make the nhl if they stopped developing in their drafted year.

Regardless, teams get roasted when they miss, so it's only fair to point out the hits as well. It doesn't matter to me if they are drafted in the 2nd round like Ribeiro, or in the very late stages like Ryder, Halak, or streit.

 

[Rob Sense]

Souray was strange in the sense that he had so many wrist issues. Before the wrist problems, he had a bomb but he couldn't hit the net.

He comes back after multiple wrist procedures, and suddenly, his bombs are finding the net. I'd like to know what they inserted in his wrist!

In all seriousness though, his wrist issues never went away and he was quite injury prone. Who knows how many more goals he could have scored.

I think we all had a sense of excitement everytime we saw souray was set to unload a bomb that year he scored 26.

a bit off topic but i just noticed that Souray looks a lot like Carey Price.

 

[1909]

Ronald Corey made a real mess of things many years ago................this was he and the Mol$on$....

They judged Turgeon was one center too many with Damphousse and Koivu on board. Turgeon did not want to play LW. They should had waited a bit and keep Koivu on a 3rd line for a little while. At least until the end of that season. The return for Turgeon was laughable.

a bit off topic but i just noticed that Souray looks a lot like Carey Price.

They both have First NatIons roots.

 

[1909]

Yes, Corey is generally overlooked. I think also he knew Houle would do as told and would be a good front man ( sacrificial lamb ) for the cost cuts and low budget Molson Inc wanted. So today people dump on Houle but Corey and Molson Inc are equally to blame.

The guy panicked big time when Roy asked out of MTL . They should had let the dust fall a bit. Of course, hiring Houle and Tremblay was not the brightest decision. OUCH !

 

[Notabaguette]

My uncle worked for the Habs at the time. This was Rejean Houle and Turgeon got 4 pts the night before the deal. He just wanted to change things up.

The Damphousse deal they thought he was getting old.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

They judged Turgeon was one center too many with Damphousse and Koivu on board. Turgeon did not want to play LW. They should had waited a bit and keep Koivu on a 3rd line for a little while. At least until the end of that season. The return for Turgeon was laughable.

It's crazy to think that we had Turgeon/Damphousse/Koivu/Conroy as our centers at the same time.

Like that's absolutely bonkers.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It's crazy to think that we had Turgeon/Damphousse/Koivu/Conroy as our centers at the same time.

Like that's absolutely bonkers.

"But they're not available..."

 

[JianYang]

It's crazy to think that we had Turgeon/Damphousse/Koivu/Conroy as our centers at the same time.

Like that's absolutely bonkers.

Yeah, it really is. That is once in a lifetime type of depth.

Things started bad for conroy though right in his first camp. He accidentally shot a puck at Roy's head. Roy ended up going after him, and he was sent down eventually.

It was a sign of things to come during his time in the Habs org.

 

[HuGort]

Tremblay did make good move putting Damphousse back at center. I remember playoffs against Rangers, Habs up 2-0 in games. Headline of NY Post "Damn-housse"..

He traded Turgeon's 100 points too quick. Koivu only played 2 months at that level. The season before he was 40 point guy.

 

[rickthegoon]

That trade is way up there as one of the worst our management ever made. Tremblay was madly in love with Koivu and clearly stated that he was now considering Turgeon as our 3rd C………..if I remember well, Turgeon replied with a 4 point game the day after that statement by Tremblay , and was traded a day or 2 after.
And to think that people are considering Bergevin as the worst gm in our history……… the Houle-Tremblay era is still haunting us.

 

[BLONG7]

That trade is way up there as one of the worst our management ever made. Tremblay was madly in love with Koivu and clearly stated that he was now considering Turgeon as our 3rd C………..if I remember well, Turgeon replied with a 4 point game the day after that statement by Tremblay , and was traded a day or 2 after.
And to think that people are considering Bergevin as the worst gm in our history……… the Houle-Tremblay era is still haunting us.

Houle was TOLD what to so.................Bergevin had NO idea what to do...........equally as bad.

 

[yianik]

The guy panicked big time when Roy asked out of MTL . They should had let the dust fall a bit. Of course, hiring Houle and Tremblay was not the brightest decision. OUCH !

Lol, nope , not the best, but I think Corey wanted a guy who would just do what he was told. And I don't know about panic, I think it was calculated. Roy apologized as I understand it. That was the out if Corey wanted, but he didn't. Roy had disgraced the CH from Corey's view, and also Roy was up for a new contract after that year and tje Habs were cost conscious so may have been a great excuse to move Roy and his salary.

 

[Habs]

they didn't call him 'The Tin Man' for nothing, and its funny how we were debating this exact same topic back in 2009

Pierre Turgeon

Having studied Pierre Turgeon's remarkable career, i am impressed by his great record & very good #Statistics!!... A very intelligent and durable Performer!

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[the valiant effort]

they didn't call him 'The Tin Man' for nothing, and its funny how we were debating this exact same topic back in 2009

Pierre Turgeon

Having studied Pierre Turgeon's remarkable career, i am impressed by his great record & very good #Statistics!!... A very intelligent and durable Performer!

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It was fun to transport back to a time when Ciccarrelli and Turgeon were not Hall of Famers.