I don't think they underperformed much compared to what they were on paper. After the top handful of guys, the team was pretty bad. Then when Vasy was bad, they looked terrible. In the end, they showed about what they were -- a team that could go 5 games with the eventual cup champs. 5 tough games, sure, but still just 5.
To quote your profile, I would prefer not to.
Not a salary cap, but a budget. His analogy is pretty fair and reasonable.
GOD DAMN IT!!!!
You can't help but wonder if the team has some kind of important internal metric on which Stamkos just doesn't score very well. They have seemed very ready to walk away from him a few times. Feels like they knew this was coming, for sure, a year ago.To quote your profile, I would prefer not to.
However if I must, first of all no one said anything about a happy ending or telling Stammer to f*** off, I can understand him leaving and no matter how it happened it would still be sad.
As I see it, this is different as 1) seems like JBB did not prioritise even opening the contract negotiations of the team captain until playoffs/end of playoffs, 2) JBB indicated it was top priority to sign Stamkos after playoffs but we now know there were several other priorities over Stamkos, 3) JBB made Stamkos a limited offer due to limited cap space - then proceeds to trade for cap space but refuses to change the offer while signing a replacement player.
Pretty sure if your employer did the same to you after working at a company for 16 years even after you indicate you'd be willing to stay and to take a pay cut, you'd be disappointed too.
Now they of course run the business as they see best but there's a human side to it too - and as mentioned, sometimes even the best of us make mistakes. At the end of the day, perhaps all the moves JBB made nets Tampa another cup or two and that would be awesome. However, looking from the outside in this still could have been handled better in my opinion.
Preach brother but RIP us… wtf was this an EgO move… Im so annoyed, we can’t have nice things.
Yea I was chillin until Stamkos dropped that quote, and now Im really questioning things…Is this going to torpedo the franchise?
For starters, a budget and hard cap are different. A budget is a guideline which under certain circumstances can be set aside and a hard cap is just that. As for the Cirelli argument, we could argue all day about the merits of Cirelli but we probably wouldn't have to because I agree. Not that he is a half-assed player in terms of effort, but that he is overpaid and not productive enough but that still doesn't change the fact that Cirelli is here and under contract and would have to be moved. Now, despite what some others think on these pages, your not finding a taker for Cirelli for another 7 years at 6.25M.
If there's such a metric, there's no way they're looking at Cirelli and saying he passes but the second greatest goal scorer of his generation doesn't. Come on now. Say what you want about ES vs PP numbers, but he still makes plays Cirelli does not. And Cirelli makes twice as much as he was offered. Cirelli is the forward where plays go to die, and this is coming from someone that shits on Stamkos tripping at the blue line and dipsy doodling passes blindly on the half wall. No player is perfect but if we're really magnifying player chances on some sort of metric, no way I'm taking Cirelli over Stamkos with the puck. Cirelli's number one move is to Luis Mendoza himself into the goalie and hope the puck follows.
Vinik cares about the value of the franchise and increasing it. That value rises with the number of playoff rounds we win. We didn’t win one for two years in a row.
Two Cups, four finals, six Conf. finals, 5 HOF players, great ownership, great building, envy of the league, etc, etc. We've had nice things but they don't last forever.
While fair, I disagree on that final part and said it yesterday. Cirelli has value. We shit on Sergachev and polarized his flaws yet Utah gave us a good return. Cirelli would easily return a 1 for 1 "hockey trade," or something centered on futures. Not that's what we should do right now, but he definitely has value.
Not sure what you mean but they either underperformed or weren’t good enough. Either way that leads to changes in pro sports. Maybe the change shouldn’t have been Stammer, maybe it should have been Coop or even JBB. But trading Sergy to use the cap money to sign Stammer and another 4-5 million winger doesn’t move the needle enough or shake up the room. JBB could have done this wrong, if so he will pay with his job, it is inevitable, win or get fired, traded, not signed,etc.
Good counter point Hoek, interesting. It doesn’t look great for JBB right now. It almost feels like he has to respond in this press conference to what Stamkos said… oh boy lol
I get what you're saying but then you could use that argument on a league minimum or a $1 special. Hey Perry, you've made enough and taken 1M lately, why sign 1.4M? Just because a player has made a healthy amount doesn't mean you lowball the piss out of him. I don't blame Stamkos for saying no and I don't blame him for then maximizing his next and potentially last deal elsewhere because "hometown discount" wasn't on the menu as the hometown team wasn't feeling it with him
