Post-Game Talk: The Official Matt Rempe Hart Trophy Campaign Thread

[Harbour Dog]

The 2 on 0 goal was 0.12 xG so lower than the first goal.

Seriously? Something is WAY off if they're saying that Kreider's shot there only goes in 1 out of 8 attempts on that play.

Do the numbers literally just look at the type of shot and the area of the ice it's taken from?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Seriously? Something is WAY off if they're saying that Kreider's shot there only goes in 1 out of 8 attempts on that play.

Do the numbers literally just look at the type of shot and the area of the ice it's taken from?

That's what I was thinking about. Maybe it's taking into consideration plays where the scorer is in that part of the ice on the PP for example where they are getting defended and not taking into account a 2 on 0. The last 2 on 0 I remember us actually scoring on was like Hlavac against the Sabres in 2001. I'm sure we've scored on them since then and 2 on 0 is rare but they're not automatic.

 

[tiggles]

Seriously? Something is WAY off if they're saying that Kreider's shot there only goes in 1 out of 8 attempts on that play.

Do the numbers literally just look at the type of shot and the area of the ice it's taken from?

As far as I know, Moneypuck and most (all?) public expected goal models don't take pre-shot passing into account, because that's not tracked in the NHL's public data. It's why previous iterations of the Rangers that favored quality over quantity were generally viewed more favorably in private models that took those things into consideration.

 

[FUZfan]

A lot of negativity on here despite playing the whole game without taking a bench minor.

 

[Machinehead]

Seriously? Something is WAY off if they're saying that Kreider's shot there only goes in 1 out of 8 attempts on that play.

Do the numbers literally just look at the type of shot and the area of the ice it's taken from?

Pretty much.

The fact that it's a 2 on 0 makes the puck movement extremely unpredictable, but a lot of models are not going to differentiate Kreider's shot from an in-zone chance from the same location.

This is definitely an issue and the type of modeling that Moneypuck uses is already a bit antiquated.

I don't agree with all of Vally's takes nor do I think his model is without its own warts, but his model does way more to differentiate quality.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Pretty much.

The fact that it's a 2 on 0 makes the puck movement extremely unpredictable, but a lot of models are not going to differentiate Kreider's shot from an in-zone chance from the same location.

This is definitely an issue and the type of modeling that Moneypuck uses is already a bit antiquated.

I don't agree with all of Vally's takes nor do I think his model is without its own warts, but his model does way more to differentiate quality.

Almost 3 higher than the Rangers allowed. The difference between the game being a laugher and the Rangers having a shot in the end. Goaltending still sucks.

 

[Machinehead]

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Almost 3 higher than the Rangers allowed. The difference between the game being a laugher and the Rangers having a shot in the end. Goaltending still sucks.

Goaltending sucks sometimes.

It's pretty random. I can live with it when it's Quick. We're paying him to be random.

The problem is what we're paying the other guy to also be random.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Goaltending sucks sometimes.

It's pretty random. I can live with it when it's Quick. We're paying him to be random.

The problem is what we're paying the other guy to also be random.

I've said this quite a bit. But got posters here calling me a hypocrite because I don't hold Quick to the same standard as the highest paid goalie of all time.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I've said this quite a bit. But got posters here calling me a hypocrite because I don't hold Quick to the same standard as the highest paid goalie of all time.

It’s more so you’re nonstop about it but that’s just a guess from me lol

 

[80s Kid]

I like how the caps went from a team in no mans land to a top team after they got rid of obese pete but here we are f***ing ourselves with the same retread. The Fat Boys Club mentality needs to change. We can’t bring in retirement prone coaches because of their legacy just to be an enabler. How does anyone have any respect for a leader when they’re this unfit? I don’t care if you’re a manager at a CVS, you have to show up looking regal and behave like a classy person. Generous, tolerant, doesn’t hold grudges. I personally judge every friend and coworker when I see them stuff themselves full of food at a buffet or when they order food delivery for themselves at their own house gathering and it’s a main course and two full appetizers. You lose respect watching a fat person warfph down a pad thai, a chicken thai red curry and two spring rolls that aren’t even thai and then try to explain the meal as cheaper because you ordered more per delivery. We need to bring in someone dignified and inspires confidence and demands respect with their presence. Someone who doesn’t eat fried foods and instead grabs an omelette at the omelette station and eats it with a yogurt and black coffee and pretend it satisfied them. Someone who has the self control and self care of their image to not purposefully walk by the boxes of pastries on the table and pretend like they barely saw the pastries in the corner of their eye while they walked past them and decided to have one even though they helped themselves to one 5 minutes ago and knew full well what they were doing walking pass the table.

Lol...You're really running with this? If this is still a joke, consider me fooled.

I do think Lavi needs to go, just not because of his weight lol. He had a good first season and I'm sure not all of this is his fault but this season is just not acceptable. Lack of effort, too many men penalties, blowing leads, giving up early goals/not ready to play, etc. This team needs a different approach. I'm not advocating for this but can you imagine this team with Mike Babcock?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

That one guy used to always tell us how the winning wasn't sustainable. Well, this season it finally wasn't. This is who we are without a top PP and the best goalie in the league. We always wondered and it is ugly AF.

Maybe this is better off in the Roster Building thread but to piggy back off the new guys post, I do wonder what Pizza Boy's plan at C is. Even if you move Mika back, that's 3 centers all over 30 moving towards the twilight of their career. There is no one in the pipeline that we can remotely even hope to be on their level coming up. Not much left to trade for any either. McDavid is not likely, Eichel? Okay. Still gonna be 30 sooner than later with his contract and then you still need 2 more sooner than later. It's hard to be overly optimistic with the direction we're heading in.

I mean no winning is ever sustainable if you just keep lengthening the timeline. Everything ebbs and flows. Unless your the Sabres, or the (NY) Jets

 

[NYRfan31]

Lol...You're really running with this? If this is still a joke, consider me fooled.

I do think Lavi needs to go, just not because of his weight lol. He had a good first season and I'm sure not all of this is his fault but this season is just not acceptable. Lack of effort, too many men penalties, blowing leads, giving up early goals/not ready to play, etc. This team needs a different approach. I'm not advocating for this but can you imagine this team with Mike Babcock?

I think the days of hoping a new coach can fix this team are over. This team is broken and the way they play hockey isn't right. Our prospect development also sucks and a coach isn't fixing that. All coaches depend on their veterans, they are coaching for their jobs. I'm not sure what Babcock would do for this team that Lav or Gallant couldn't do. ECF is as good as this core was going to be and both times we got there in the last few years, we got demolished.

 

[NYRfan31]

Also, i'm seeing a lot of people wanting to trade Fox. I'm 31 years old, started watching the NYR in 2007. I didn't get to experience Leetch or Zubov or Patrick from the 90s. In my lifetime, Fox is the first NYR defenseman that can score and can actually not make me throw up during the PP.

Trading Fox shouldn't even be mentioned or thought of. This team has lacked offense from the blueline literally since i was born and we want to trade him because he's skinny? His job is to move the puck and keep the puck outside of our zone, not hit people and clear the crease. That's why you get him a mobile partner who can do those things and leave Fox the hell alone. Holy shit.

 

[80s Kid]

I think the days of hoping a new coach can fix this team are over. This team is broken and the way they play hockey isn't right. Our prospect development also sucks and a coach isn't fixing that. All coaches depend on their veterans, they are coaching for their jobs. I'm not sure what Babcock would do for this team that Lav or Gallant couldn't do. ECF is as good as this core was going to be and both times we got there in the last few years, we got demolished.

Not advocating for Babcock...he's a complete ass. I just wonder how the locker room would be with him. Babcock head games could potentially make this team angry in a productive way or completely backfire and make them completely fold.

Regardless, I don't think changing the coach alone would save this team. However, I think Lavi isn't the answer. Last year was his shot. He did well but couldn't get a flawed squad to the dance. Now it's up to Drury to try something else and I'm willing to let him figure it out.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Not advocating for Babcock...he's a complete ass. I just wonder how the locker room would be with him. Babcock head games could potentially make this team angry in a productive way or completely backfire and make them completely fold.

Regardless, I don't think changing the coach alone would save this team. However, I think Lavi isn't the answer. Last year was his shot. He did well but couldn't get a flawed squad to the dance. Now it's up to Drury to try something else and I'm willing to let him figure it out.

The team couldn't even handle standard roster turnover. These guys aren't exactly Marcus Aurelius.

 

[Larrybiv]

On what could have been (for me a very memorable) and a very joyous win, turned out to be quite the painful loss.
Allow me to explain. Down1-3, taking a penalty.....I'm like; "we need a shorty", then Schneideer miraculously scored with an amazing wrist shot. AWESOME! I yell and scream, "I called that", okay fine, I am sure many say the same thing, "BUT I WAS FEELING IT"! Now, down 2-3.
A minute left on PK, I'm like; "OKAY, let's get another one!" Let's go Mika and Kreids! Blew the almost 1st opportunity, lets GO! Pressure at the blue line, (MUCH to my happiness) it's Mika and Kreider, Kreider to Mika, back to Kreider, to Mika back to Kreider......SCORE!
I'm now totally freaking out, HAVE IT ON TAPE, "I called that, I so called that, the both of them!" Anyone wanna see? Hah! I doubt anyone will even see this entry. I'm very sad.

 

[NYRfan31]

Not advocating for Babcock...he's a complete ass. I just wonder how the locker room would be with him. Babcock head games could potentially make this team angry in a productive way or completely backfire and make them completely fold.

Regardless, I don't think changing the coach alone would save this team. However, I think Lavi isn't the answer. Last year was his shot. He did well but couldn't get a flawed squad to the dance. Now it's up to Drury to try something else and I'm willing to let him figure it out.

Yeah i hear you. I liked the Laviolette hire at first, i always thought he was a bit of a hard ass and was just what this team needed at the time but he really isn't. This specific Rangers team needs a coach like Tortorella. Someone who will bench people and demand defense on both ends of the ice. Tortorella hasn't won shit since 2004 but he still has the reputation of being a bit of a hard ass. Even if Torts becomes available i doubt we would go that route.