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Appleyard said:
I was never a Gronborg fan.

I like:

David Carle (HC, Denver, NCAA)
Mitch Love (AC, Washington, NHL)
Mark Savard (AC, Leafs, NHL)
Mike Leone (HC, Rochester, AHL) - plus then maybe I will have a chance to work with the Flyers ahaha.
Cam Abbott (HC, Chicago, AHL)
Kirk MacDonald (HC, Wilkes-Barre, AHL)
Jussi Ahokas (HC, Kitchener, OHL)


All great track records, and play fun hockey... and all younger and well known for being innovative. Albeit maybe only ~3 of them have any shot at NHL HC off the bat, the others would be AC first most likely.

I used to like Sam Hallam a LOT, now Sweden NT HC... but he has made a lot of bizarre decisions with NT and it seems more and more like the Vaxjo Front Office (Evertsson and Hall) are the geniuses of the piece... since Jonsson stepped in and they were #1 and #2 in SHL AFTER Hallam left.
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I just can’t see them going off the board like that.

Not after they went as safe as they could have for Briere, and Jones. Went as predictable as possible for Torts.

Hextall, and Hak were the wrong men - both idiots at times but the thought process was correct. Think they are fearful to go to someone inexperienced again.

I think it’s Shaw next. Torts still gets to have a lot of input either way being buddies with him, and a future senior advisor.
 
Magua said:
Ponder who these morons would even hire to replace Tortorella. Not that I don’t want him gone too. But we could get an absolute laugher hire, par for the course with every decision they make. This interests me.
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I think people are really sleeping on the possibility of head coach rocky. They LOVE their own guys, they make excuses all the time for him, and they ESPECIALLY love the path of least resistance.

Plus they would go bonkers over the marketing prospect. He's tough, a hard worker, and his name is rocky!! What can possibly be better fit.
 
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Taijuan Fedotov said:
If i was Briere, I would love to hear John sell me on what he's done in his Flyers tenure that is extension or promotion worthy.
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The power structure of the Flyers is that the newly hired GM was mandated to keep Tortorella as coach. Wouldn’t have been hired otherwise. They’ve gone out of their way to say he is practically an AGM. He’s a hockey cult leader for this group. For 3 years he’s found one excuse after another for why this team isn’t built the way he needs it built. Or the culture isn’t quite right, which is the players’ faults. Tortorella wearily assessing this is a dead end and becoming an advisor (horrific, I know) is the only out.

DancingPanther said:
I think people are really sleeping on the possibility of head coach rocky.
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His ass is getting fired. That one is unavoidable even for these muppets. Unfortunately, the next PP coach will be Nick Schultz.
 
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SolidSnakeUS said:
David Carle should be way high up on their list.
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If he wants to turn pro he will have many suitors and better options I believe. That being said can’t see him having any interest in the Flyers seeing the roster, prospect pool, and how they are managed. Of course, unless highest paid head coach.

I guy to keep an eye on at the college level is Anthony Noreen. Record wise not a great 1st year. Want to see if he builds up that program after a real good junior career.
 
Magua said:
The power structure of the Flyers is that the newly hired GM was mandated to keep Tortorella as coach. Wouldn’t have been hired otherwise. They’ve gone out of their way to say he is practically an AGM. He’s a hockey cult leader for this group. For 3 years he’s found one excuse after another for why this team isn’t built the way he needs it built. Or the culture isn’t quite right, which is the players’ faults. Tortorella wearily assessing this is a dead end and becoming an advisor (horrific, I know) is the only out.



His ass is getting fired. That one is unavoidable even for these muppets. Unfortunately, the next PP coach will be Nick Schultz.
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I'm telling ya man. I feel it in my bones
 
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FlyerNutter said:
I just can’t see them going off the board like that.

Not after they went as safe as they could have for Briere, and Jones. Went as predictable as possible for Torts.

Hextall, and Hak were the wrong men - both idiots at times but the thought process was correct. Think they are fearful to go to someone inexperienced again.

I think it’s Shaw next. Torts still gets to have a lot of input either way being buddies with him, and a future senior advisor.
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I cant either... maybe Mark Savard or Mitch Love are not impossible... both eastern conference current ACs on teams who are successful, ex-players too. But yeh, guess they hire internally OR hire a guy who has had a HC gig before.


I always think it is funny that HCs move into front office. Such different jobs. A good HC seems unlikely to be a good GM... see Barry Trotz.

Like the difference between being a rally driver and a rally co-pilot... yeh... maybe some guys can do both but the skill-set is so different very few people are likely to be good at both at highest level.
 
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Appleyard said:
I cant either... maybe Mark Savard or Mitch Love are not impossible... both eastern conference current ACs on teams who are successful, ex-players too. But yeh, guess they hire internally OR hire a guy who has had a HC gig before.


I always think it is funny that HCs move into front office. Such different jobs. A good HC seems unlikely to be a good GM... see Barry Trotz.

Like the difference between being a rally driver and a rally co-pilot... yeh... maybe some guys can do both but the skill-set is so different very few people are likely to be good at both at highest level.
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The fact that Mitch Love didn't even get the HC job with the Flames is completely baffling. Dude was f***ing dynamite in the AHL.
 
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Appleyard said:
I cant either... maybe Mark Savard or Mitch Love are not impossible... both eastern conference current ACs on teams who are successful, ex-players too. But yeh, guess they hire internally OR hire a guy who has had a HC gig before.


I always think it is funny that HCs move into front office. Such different jobs. A good HC seems unlikely to be a good GM... see Barry Trotz.

Like the difference between being a rally driver and a rally co-pilot... yeh... maybe some guys can do both but the skill-set is so different very few people are likely to be good at both at highest level.
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What do you know about Anthony Doreen? Any thoughts?
 
I never did get the whole retread hire thing. NHL & NFL do it the most, but I feel like NHL is worse since they will hire coaches who were fired 4/5/6 times already. I never got the mentality that, since the were a HC before, they would be perfect to run our team. Like thee coaches were fired before for being shitty coaches. Why would you think that 7th time is the charm?

Like I mean, is a rookie HC THAT much scarier than a HC that has been passed around like a 10c hooker?
 
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sa cyred said:
I never did get the whole retread hire thing. NHL & NFL do it the most, but I feel like NHL is worse since they will hire coaches who were fired 4/5/6 times already. I never got the mentality that, since the were a HC before, they would be perfect to run our team. Like thee coaches were fired before for being shitty coaches. Why would you think that 7th time is the charm?

Like I mean, is a rookie HC THAT much scarier than a HC that has been passed around like a 10c hooker?
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Cup winning HCs post-lockout.

Laviolette: 2nd time HC, age 42
Caryle: 1st time HC, age 50
Babcock: 2nd time HC, age 45
Bylsma: 1st time HC, age 39
Quenneville: 3rd time HC, age 52, 55, 57
Sutter: 4th time HC, age 54, 56
Sullivan: 2nd time HC, age 48, 49
Trotz: 2nd time HC, age 56
Berube: 2nd time HC, age 54
Cooper: 1st time HC, age 53, 54
Bednar: 1st time HC, age 50
Cassidy: 2nd time HC, age 57
Maurice: 5th time HC, age 57

10/13 in their 1st or 2nd HC job.

average cup winning coach:

2nd time HC, age 50.5

The last HC to win a cup past age 57 was Scotty Bowman!
 
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I stop myself once in a while remembering Bylsma is coaching the Kraken. A team made that choice.

Someone like Tocchet, if he was available, would be too perfect for this regime. They’d hold out hope for Sullivan, but I don’t think he’s stupid enough to come here. He’d want a contender. This is where the Flyers fancying themselves a top tier destination but actually being a bottom tier destination are in conflict.
 
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Magua said:
I stop myself once in a while remembering Bylsma is coaching the Kraken. A team made that choice.

Someone like Tocchet, if he was available, would be too perfect for this regime. They’d hold out hope for Sullivan, but I don’t think he’s stupid enough to come here. He’d want a contender. This is where the Flyers fancying themselves a top tier destination but actually being a bottom tier destination are in conflict.
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Were you here for the “Francis is the real competence in Carolina and they’re going to miss him” contrarion takes? That was a breathtaking period.
 
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Appleyard said:
Cup winning HCs post-lockout.

Laviolette: 2nd time HC, age 42
Caryle: 1st time HC, age 50
Babcock: 2nd time HC, age 45
Bylsma: 1st time HC, age 39
Quenneville: 3rd time HC, age 52, 55, 57
Sutter: 4th time HC, age 54, 56
Sullivan: 2nd time HC, age 48, 49
Trotz: 2nd time HC, age 56
Berube: 2nd time HC, age 54
Cooper: 1st time HC, age 53, 54
Bednar: 1st time HC, age 50
Cassidy: 2nd time HC, age 57
Maurice: 5th time HC, age 57

10/13 in their 1st or 2nd HC job.

average cup winning coach:

2nd time HC, age 50.5

The last HC to win a cup past age 57 was Scotty Bowman!
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Interesting didn’t know this but not surprised at all.

Flyers really have some strong PTSD from Hakstol. Sure Craig came after but he was one of the boys so he didn’t really count.
 
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