HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

[Colezuki]

The one positive from the dach injury that we can’t see yet is the potential to improve the stock of Monahan ahead of the deadline. I’d expect we see Monahan in Dachs spot once Dvorak comes back. If he’s able to handle the load we may actually continue to play well and get a decent return for him come the TDL

 

[Habs Halifax]

The one positive from the dach injury that we can’t see yet is the potential to improve the stock of Monahan ahead of the deadline. I’d expect we see Monahan in Dachs spot once Dvorak comes back. If he’s able to handle the load we may actually continue to play well and get a decent return for him come the TDL

Monahan is going to get more usage and harder minutes in the match-up game. Yeah, he can handle it and improve his trade value but he also is more prone to injury with those heavy minutes as well. If Monahan survives and also produces, he will have lots of value at the TDL no doubt but he's got to stay healthy. Roster tinkering due to key injuries can snow ball... it did last year.

Before the Dach injury, I was saying our pick will be 8-12 range but now I might retract that to 5-10 range. A lottery win would be nice but not sure I'll like a bottom 5 pick again if we get injuries to key players that affect their development.

 

[BLONG7]

Hughes was recently interviewed and he admitted there is no plan. He just has to acquire high-end talent whenever he can, if ever.

We don't know if Caufield is a 70pt sniper or a 90pt sniper. We don't know if Suzuki is a 65pt C or a 80pt C. We don't know if Newhook is a 40pt middle6 player or a 60pt+ player. We don't know about Dach. And we definitely don't know about Slafkovsky.

You are heading down the rabbit hole with your posts...........I used to think you were a pretty good poster, but I think you are not taking your meds right? LOL...

You forgot to add............We don't know if any of our prospects like hockey, or they are playing just to make their dads happy..........

 

[ReHabs]

You are heading down the rabbit hole with your posts...........I used to think you were a pretty good poster, but I think you are not taking your meds right? LOL...

You forgot to add............We don't know if any of our prospects like hockey, or they are playing just to make their dads happy..........

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the Habs drafted players who hate to play hockey!

But in seriousness, I don't think it's wrong to say we don't know what we have in Caufield, Suzuki, etc. You don't think they've reached their ceiling, do you?

 

[BLONG7]

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the Habs drafted players who hate to play hockey!

But in seriousness, I don't think it's wrong to say we don't know what we have in Caufield, Suzuki, etc. You don't think they've reached their ceiling, do you?

No they have not reached their ceiling, but we do know that they are developing into very good players. Does Chicago know what they have in Bedard? Of course not, but they do know he is a heck of a player....going in the right direction.
Sorry man, I just can't take anything you say serious now................You started your post with saying Hughes admits their is no plan............that's just a plain stupid thing to say.......your posts are declining in a big way.....

 

[ReHabs]

No they have not reached their ceiling, but we do know that they are developing into very good players. Does Chicago know what they have in Bedard? Of course not, but they do know he is a heck of a player....going in the right direction.
Sorry man, I just can't take anything you say serious now................You started your post with saying Hughes admits their is no plan............that's just a plain stupid thing to say.......your posts are declining in a big way.....

So we agree that we don't know the ceilings of our players. That's the point: we don't know if they'll develop to be good enough to make the Habs a good team. Bedard is an exceptional case, I think everybody expects him to be a phenomenal player. He's already shown more than enough to encourage this faith.

Hughes said they will acquire players whenever they can. That doesn't sound like a plan. Every GM acquires players whenever they can. Sorry to disappoint, I'll try to do better.

 

[Lshap]

Hughes was recently interviewed and he admitted there is no plan. He just has to acquire high-end talent whenever he can, if ever.

We don't know if Caufield is a 70pt sniper or a 90pt sniper. We don't know if Suzuki is a 65pt C or a 80pt C. We don't know if Newhook is a 40pt middle6 player or a 60pt+ player. We don't know about Dach. And we definitely don't know about Slafkovsky.

Our roster is filled with young players, our D is mostly rookies and kids, our vets are mostly gone. That's the result of deliberate engineering by management. We can certainly debate whether management chose the right kids, but the makeup of this team reflects a clear plan and direction – something totally absent from the previous management.

I'm not declaring HuGo a success until we actually succeed. But, at the very least, we're witnessing a very different managerial style which a lot of us have been waiting a long time to see.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

You know the rules, if we draft first, it's a shitty draft. If we draft 3rd, it's a bust...

Who's the unicorn that we can't pass on ?

 

[ReHabs]

I'm not declaring HuGo a success until we actually succeed. But, at the very least, we're witnessing a very different managerial style which a lot of us have been waiting a long time to see.

The last managers had a superstar (Carey Price) and leaned on him for all their results and did little else to improve the roster. The current managers have no superstar to lean on and have done little else to improve the roster or acquire a superstar (which is admittedly, near-impossible but made even more impossible when you make bizarre draft day decisions). You don't need a superstar to win the Cup and you aren't guaranteed to win with a superstar, so I guess we just have to wait until HuGo acquire sufficient depth of merely very very good players. Any day now.

 

[Guy Larose]

The last managers had a superstar (Carey Price) and leaned on him for all their results and did little else to improve the roster. The current managers have no superstar to lean on and have done little else to improve the roster or acquire a superstar (which is admittedly, near-impossible but made even more impossible when you make bizarre draft day decisions). You don't need a superstar to win the Cup and you aren't guaranteed to win with a superstar, so I guess we just have to wait until HuGo acquire sufficient depth of merely very very good players. Any day now.

Repeat after me...they are in a rebuild and have only been there for what, 2 years? Anything to shit on them. Your posts in every thread are so off that I, and others, can't even make sense of them anymore. We keep telling you but you do you. There are no bizarre draft day decisions yet. We won't know for a few years.

 

[Gustave]

Tell you the truth, I really enjoyed the first two games. The boys had flow and guts. Cameback against the Leafs, physical, more than competent 4th line, young, Monty looked good in his start, etc.

It all came together because our second line more than held it's own. Now that Dach is out, I'm deflated. He was the difference really. Everything else fell in it's place due to his presence. Felt like a 1a and 1b combo between him and Suzuki. Tank wasn't on the table for me and it felt good.

Now it's becoming more of a reality... blah.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Tell you the truth, I really enjoyed the first two games. The boys had flow and guts. Cameback against the Leafs, physical, more than competent 4th line, young, Monty looked good in his start, etc.

It all came together because our second line more than held it's own. Now that Dach is out, I'm deflated. He was the difference really. Everything else fell in it's place due to his presence. Felt like a 1a and 1b combo between him and Suzuki. Tank wasn't on the table for me and it felt good.

Now it's becoming more of a reality... blah.

Yeah I feel the same. But when I take a step back, I come to grips that we were not chasing the playoffs and this Dach injury gives opportunity for us to test other young players like Newhook, RHP, and Ylonen.

After all, this still remains a rebuild/transition year. Just sucks because I wanted to see the Newhook / Dach / Slaf line grow.

 

[Gustave]

Yeah I feel the same. But when I take a step back, I come to grips that we were not chasing the playoffs and this Dach injury gives opportunity for us to test other young players like Newhook, RHP, and Ylonen.

After all, this still remains a rebuild/transition year. Just sucks because I wanted to see the Newhook / Dach / Slaf line grow.

Agree here. Dach growing is just as important as getting a high pick. Felt like it was his breakout. Now it’s either postponed or on hold, with the slight downside of a Koivu situation where his knee injury affects his future output.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Repeat after me...they are in a rebuild and have only been there for what, 2 years? Anything to shit on them. Your posts in every thread are so off that I, and others, can't even make sense of them anymore. We keep telling you but you do you. There are no bizarre draft day decisions yet. We won't know for a few years.

His approach is Extreme Conservative Analytics. He has the ECA virus and not sure there is a vaccine for that

Some fans balance the optimistic and pessimistic stances well. Some are too optimistic and some are too pessimistic. We really do have a big fan base with different outlooks.

But yeah, we can all agree that the overly optimistic or overly pessimistic stances are annoying.

Agree here. Dach growing is just as important as getting a high pick. Felt like it was his breakout. Now it’s either postponed or on hold, with the slight downside of a Koivu situation where his knee injury affects his future output.

Yup, and I fear the ripple effects this will have on Slaf. Dach is a puck possession forward who was handling contract well. This draws a lot of attention and frees up space for a winger like Slaf to do his thing.

 

[HabzSauce]

F*ck sakes I don't know if I can go another round of this crap. But with no Dach I think we're in for another tank year unfortunately.

Tanking is more stressful than people think. Last year was such a god awful time it felt like playing a really crappy COD game but you play it anyways because you're addicted

 

[Habs Halifax]

F*ck sakes I don't know if I can go another round of this crap. But with no Dach I think we're in for another tank year unfortunately.

Tanking is more stressful than people think. Last year was such a god awful time it felt like playing a really crappy COD game but you play it anyways because you're addicted

Doesn't change much because with a healthy roster, we were looking at a pick from 8-12 range. Without Dach, it's more like 5-10 range. It's still a tank/transition year with or without Dach. However, if more key guys go down, we are looking at 3-7 range with our pick again.

The cappy part is we need Dach to break out and he's important for Slaf's development as well. I fear Newhook won't be able to handle the load

 

[WinterLion]

Celebrini and Hutson look pretty good together I must say...

 

[larek]

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the Habs drafted players who hate to play hockey!

But in seriousness, I don't think it's wrong to say we don't know what we have in Caufield, Suzuki, etc. You don't think they've reached their ceiling, do you?

I think we know more about Caufield than Suzuki
Adding I'm not sure if Suzuki ceiling is lower than some think

 

[JoelWarlord]

Tell you the truth, I really enjoyed the first two games. The boys had flow and guts. Cameback against the Leafs, physical, more than competent 4th line, young, Monty looked good in his start, etc.

It all came together because our second line more than held it's own. Now that Dach is out, I'm deflated. He was the difference really. Everything else fell in it's place due to his presence. Felt like a 1a and 1b combo between him and Suzuki. Tank wasn't on the table for me and it felt good.

Now it's becoming more of a reality... blah.

I still expected a bottom 5-7ish finish with Dach but I was assuming the skaters would be pretty solid and pushing middle of the pack but our goaltending would collapse. Dach injury has really taken a lot of the intrigue out of watching them, it's fall/winter now so I'm sure I'll watch a lot still but man I was just excited to watch that 2nd line with Dach Slaf Newhook.

 

[Milhouse40]

Tell you the truth, I really enjoyed the first two games. The boys had flow and guts. Cameback against the Leafs, physical, more than competent 4th line, young, Monty looked good in his start, etc.

It all came together because our second line more than held it's own. Now that Dach is out, I'm deflated. He was the difference really. Everything else fell in it's place due to his presence. Felt like a 1a and 1b combo between him and Suzuki. Tank wasn't on the table for me and it felt good.

Now it's becoming more of a reality... blah.

Kind of agree, Dach was the 2nd line at this early point.
But I guess it's just time to see Newhook where he's been developping for the last few years, and who knows, Dach progressed a whole lot during last year, might be time for Newhook to do the same.

 

[Lshap]

The last managers had a superstar (Carey Price) and leaned on him for all their results and did little else to improve the roster. The current managers have no superstar to lean on and have done little else to improve the roster or acquire a superstar (which is admittedly, near-impossible but made even more impossible when you make bizarre draft day decisions). You don't need a superstar to win the Cup and you aren't guaranteed to win with a superstar, so I guess we just have to wait until HuGo acquire sufficient depth of merely very very good players. Any day now.

I was seriously pissed when we passed on Michkov. The Slafkovsky pick... I was fine with because there was no obvious elite talent. But until the guys we picked and the guys we DIDN'T pick establish themselves, I'll remain agnostic and reserve judgment. I don't think we can call our picks bizarre, bad, great, or any adjective yet... except "Unknown".

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Doesn't change much because with a healthy roster, we were looking at a pick from 8-12 range. Without Dach, it's more like 5-10 range. It's still a tank/transition year with or without Dach. However, if more key guys go down, we are looking at 3-7 range with our pick again.

The cappy part is we need Dach to break out and he's important for Slaf's development as well. I fear Newhook won't be able to handle the load

And you think you're not overly optimistic?

 

[BLONG7]

So we agree that we don't know the ceilings of our players. That's the point: we don't know if they'll develop to be good enough to make the Habs a good team. Bedard is an exceptional case, I think everybody expects him to be a phenomenal player. He's already shown more than enough to encourage this faith.

Hughes said they will acquire players whenever they can. That doesn't sound like a plan. Every GM acquires players whenever they can. Sorry to disappoint, I'll try to do better.

More drivel from you.
If you can't see the plan, then we really don't have much to banter about.

Cheers....

 

[BLONG7]

Repeat after me...they are in a rebuild and have only been there for what, 2 years? Anything to shit on them. Your posts in every thread are so off that I, and others, can't even make sense of them anymore. We keep telling you but you do you. There are no bizarre draft day decisions yet. We won't know for a few years.

Common sense sometimes disappears on the board....
Thx for this post. We need to have patience, but I do understand why it's so hard to continue to wait.

 

[Guy Larose]

Common sense sometimes disappears on the board....
Thx for this post. We need to have patience, but I do understand why it's so hard to continue to wait.

I get it, but he's been bashing in the first year and never stopped.