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The NHL embracing sports gambling was a major mistake

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I agree we ought to be rid of them, but just because they are annoying. I just think the “gambling is bad, thus, we need to get rid of it so poor people don’t become gambling addicts” thing is a bit much.
 
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12ozPapa said:
I agree we ought to be rid of them, but just because they are annoying. I just think the “gambling is bad, thus, we need to get rid of it so poor people don’t become gambling addicts” thing is a bit much.
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The discussion is much more nuanced than "Get rid of it". It's a question of limits - how many gambling ads are too many, and how deeply embedded in the game should gambling ads be? IMO, online casinos have gone way beyond where advertisers should go.

Sports gambling has been around forever and nobody talked about banning them. Complaints only began two years ago, when online casinos started selling real-time bets on NHL games in which they were sponsors. Gambling ads don't wait for commercial breaks like other sponsors, they place themselves within the game while it's being played, trying to convince viewers betting is part of hockey. That's grossly inappropriate, like broadcasters telling viewers to drink a brand of alcohol each time someone scores

There are plenty of platforms people can go to bet on hockey. The NHL should not be one of those platforms.
 
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BKIslandersFan said:
I fail to see how gambling is somehow worse than alcohol.

If you are implying players are now going to somehow get more in to match fixing, no.
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Gambling doesn't have to be worse than alcohol for gambling advertisement to be more pervasive in the broadcast than alcohol ads, which is the problem most people against it are saying they have. If it were just a commercial or two for a gambling app every break, I doubt as many people would care. Hell, I'm so cynical toward consumerism that I find basically all commercials (and marketing in general) to be annoying bullshit, but it's a lot easier to ignore the entire breaks than it is to mute the TV each time a broadcaster has to insert a paid gambling ad into the game itself. That gambling is an addictive activity that has very real detrimental effects on society just makes it worse. Alcohol does, too, and I do wish they would tone down how much it is advertised. That is beside the point of the thread, though.
 
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crowi said:
I hope everyone who is unhappy with this has cancelled their paid plans to watch NHL. Otherwise you're just crying in the wind while still paying.
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My ESPN+ plan has not renewed and I'm debating if I want to renew it. It's not so much the Gambling ads, but more I don't like the platform and the NHL are cheap bastards for not streaming on their own site.
 
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Most people don't care about whatever moral issue there is at all. Even fewer people care enough to stop watching

And they get a haul of cash out of this I'm sure.

I doubt a single stakeholder in the NHL thinks it was a mistake.
 
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North Americans and sports betting in their sport..it's like watching a replay of a TV-show you once followed.

Next episode: "How NHL-players spend their spare time betting on sports and losing tons of money out of boredom".
 
Mr Positive said:
Most people don't care about whatever moral issue there is at all. Even fewer people care enough to stop watching

And they get a haul of cash out of this I'm sure.

I doubt a single stakeholder in the NHL thinks it was a mistake.
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Of course they like the money they’re making. That’s their whole purpose.

But why would those of us who aren’t getting a cut care about that?

These gambling companies range from dishonest to predatory. They are not good people. They’re up there with pay day lenders. IMO.
 
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Midnight Judges said:
Of course they like the money they’re making. That’s their whole purpose.

But why would those of us who aren’t getting a cut care about that?

These gambling companies range from dishonest to predatory. They are not good people. They’re up there with pay day lenders. IMO.
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You mean to tell me that you don't bow down to the idol of corporate profits??
 
Guys, any idea on how much money the gambling addition has added to the NHL's revenue?
The cap is moving by 4 M per season, so is it safe to assume it's been a big help with revenue?
 
Asking the NHL to stand on some sort of "moral high ground" while the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. scoop up all of the gambling revenue is completely unreasonable.
 
Lol, what? What the hell kind of write up is this. Basically explaining the entry level ideas of sports gambling.



For anybody tl;dr:

“BREAKING!!! - Sports gambling can be addicting.
Coming up - water is wet”
 
JPT said:
It should be the NHL's right to advertise porn? How exactly do you justify that?
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It seems pretty self evident to me and I think I shouldnt have to justify it. The default position is to not limit people freedom. You need to justify why you should be able to limit others freedom.

Many (myself likely included) may not support them if they did. Broadcasters would also have the right to not cover the sport. It would likely be a terrible idea for them to do so, but they should not be restricted from doing so.
 
Silky Johnson said:
It seems pretty self evident to me and I think I shouldnt have to justify it. The default position is to not limit people freedom. You need to justify why you should be able to limit others freedom.

Many (myself likely included) may not support them if they did. Broadcasters would also have the right to not cover the sport. It would likely be a terrible idea for them to do so, but they should not be restricted from doing so.
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So you just get to say things like "the default position is to not limit people [sic] freedom" without any sort of justification? Cool. Then I get to say you're wrong and the default position is to set limitations to freedom when there is a benefit to society, and I get to say it without any justification.
 
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JPT said:
So you just get to say things like "the default position is to not limit people [sic] freedom" without any sort of justification? Cool. Then I get to say you're wrong and the default position is to set limitations to all rights when there is a benefit to society, and I get to say it without any justification.
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Then you would be an authoritarian, which in my opinion is an immoral position.

Saying that freedoms such as expression, assembly, liberty & security, thought & conscience are inherent and self evident is not a controversial statement in free societies.

The default position should be to not limit individual freedom.

There are obviously reasons to limit said freedoms but they should be the exception and/or generally when individual rights collide. ie my right to life trumps your freedom to fire guns indiscriminately in crowded areas.

In cases of some people subjectively not liking others expression or actions, with no direct conflict of their individual freedom, the bar needs to be set very high for limitations.

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JPT said:
Gambling doesn't have to be worse than alcohol for gambling advertisement to be more pervasive in the broadcast than alcohol ads, which is the problem most people against it are saying they have. If it were just a commercial or two for a gambling app every break, I doubt as many people would care. Hell, I'm so cynical toward consumerism that I find basically all commercials (and marketing in general) to be annoying bullshit, but it's a lot easier to ignore the entire breaks than it is to mute the TV each time a broadcaster has to insert a paid gambling ad into the game itself. That gambling is an addictive activity that has very real detrimental effects on society just makes it worse. Alcohol does, too, and I do wish they would tone down how much it is advertised. That is beside the point of the thread, though.
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Are the ads pervasive in the other major sports? I dont notice as much if they are. Why do NHL broadcasts have so many gambling ads?
 
Midnight Judges said:
You realize the "money = good" argument can be deployed in support of all sorts of awful things, right?



Sports gambling has massively increased in recent years.
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The above board stuff yes. Before then, it was just as much if not more. Keep in mind, the World Series was fixed & that was in 1919.

Nothingbutglass said:
Are the ads pervasive in the other major sports? I dont notice as much if they are. Why do NHL broadcasts have so many gambling ads?
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It’s far more in football.
 
One of the western teams is gonna get implicated in Black Sox sized scandal in the next five years.
 
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