The next Franchise super star forward to the NHL?

[Acallabeth]

I still think Michkov will be lucky to be as impactful as Sergie Samsanov, not a terrible player, but not the second coming people expect.

I guess I missed the part where Samsonov had set junior scoring records since childhood and demolished the international tournaments he played in.
It's like comparing Bedard to Connor McMichael
Michkov is bigger than Bedard btw, we saw it at the draft.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I had him low to mid 60's.

Good guess.

 

[C0DITH]

A lot of people clearly have not watched Michkov play. He is the next superstar that isn't currently playing in the NHL, and I don't think its close....aka....its closer to Bedard, then it is the next Tier down for prospects. Kid is a gamer, and a game changer on the ice. Maybe the KHL isn't what it used to be, but he is still putting up record numbers for D+1, on a really really bad hockey team. Put this kid around skill....and he will immediately make everyone else better around him. He is also the guy you want with the puck when the game is on the line.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

Slafkovsky

.. oh wait , he's already in the NHL

I guess I missed the part where Samsonov had set junior scoring records since childhood and demolished the international tournaments he played in.
It's like comparing Bedard to Connor McMichael
Michkov is bigger than Bedard btw, we saw it at the draft.

You must have genuinely missed it then, because for 2-3 years before the 97' draft it was considered the "Samsonov draft" and he was supposed to be the next big Russian superstar in line with Bure. He slipped a little in his draft year despite still being amazing, but there was concerns about size

After his first couple years it actually looked like he could be that player too, by 21-22 he was a 75 pt player in the DPE which is like 90 pts today, and many thought he would be the better between him and Thornton. Then he got hurt and was never the same again. If michkov could be like a peak Samsonov but hold that level of play longer, he would be a superstar.

Here is a clip on HNIC talking about Samsonov from 1994, 3 years before he was eligible for the draft.

 

[The don godfather]

Chris pelosi

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Dustin Rose.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He doesn't have the highest scoring U19 season either by raw points or PPG. What he does have is the highest PPG amongst DY players (but also 10-20 fewer games than the ones above him in raw points).

The record he does hold is the highest scoring DY+1 season. As for U20 season, he's on pace to fall just short of Kaprizov.

Note: this isn't taking into account KHL's predecessor (so it's only counting back to the 2008-09 season), which would push him further down everything.

Sorry, I was talking about U20.

Also, I am counting his season as the best U20 because the one game you are counting him for to fall short of Kaprizov is bogus. It was when he was with SKA. He played like 6 minutes that game.

I am only counting his time with Sochi. Players shouldn't have stats used against them from a former team that barely used them. His stint with Sochi is the best U20 season ever, ahead of Kaprizov.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Carlsson from the ducks.. I was kind of pissed Ducks picked ahead of Fantilli. But I understand why they did..

 

[Moose Head]

What?

So Michkov is worse at hockey because of his contract status?

I think he means that Bedard is producing at about the same level as Michkov, but doing it in a substantially superior league.

Personally,I think he’s one of the 2 or 3 best prospects not in the nhl, which is what that guy was trying to say, I think.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think he means that Bedard is producing at about the same level as Michkov, but doing it in a substantially superior league.

Except, he's not. Michov is 13th in the KHL in scoring. Bedard is 68th in the NHL.

 

[Moose Head]

Except, he's not. Michov is 13th in the KHL in scoring. Bedard is 68th in the NHL.

Do you have a link to that? Hockey database has Michkov around 40th with 37pts in 43 games, which is similar to Bedard’s 34 in 40.

If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.

Edit:

Found this link and it has him at 47th

KHL Scoring Leaders 2024-2025

KHL scoring leaders and demographics breakdown in the 2024-2025 season. Player stats, nationality and age distributions, draft rounds of players in the 2024-2025 KHL season.

www.quanthockey.com

 

[theslatcher]

Sorry, I was talking about U20.

Also, I am counting his season as the best U20 because the one game you are counting him for to fall short of Kaprizov is bogus. It was when he was with SKA. He played like 6 minutes that game.

I am only counting his time with Sochi. Players shouldn't have stats used against them from a former team that barely used them. His stint with Sochi is the best U20 season ever, ahead of Kaprizov.

No, sorry, that's just silly. You can apply the same to A LOT of U20 players' games, heck, even players of all ages! Kaprizov himself had a game where he played even less than Michkov, so we'll throw that one out, too. Wow, Kaprizov, eh?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Slafkovsky

.. oh wait , he's already in the NHL




You must have genuinely missed it then, because for 2-3 years before the 97' draft it was considered the "Samsonov draft" and he was supposed to be the next big Russian superstar in line with Bure. He slipped a little in his draft year despite still being amazing, but there was concerns about size

After his first couple years it actually looked like he could be that player too, by 21-22 he was a 75 pt player in the DPE which is like 90 pts today, and many thought he would be the better between him and Thornton. Then he got hurt and was never the same again. If michkov could be like a peak Samsonov but hold that level of play longer, he would be a superstar.

Here is a clip on HNIC talking about Samsonov from 1994, 3 years before he was eligible for the draft.

Nice video , thanks for sharing

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Do you have a link to that? Hockey database has Michkov around 40th with 37pts in 43 games, which is similar to Bedard’s 34 in 40.

If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.

Edit:

Found this link and it has him at 47th

KHL Scoring Leaders 2024-2025

KHL scoring leaders and demographics breakdown in the 2024-2025 season. Player stats, nationality and age distributions, draft rounds of players in the 2024-2025 KHL season.

www.quanthockey.com

I'm talking about points per game. What's the point in calculating totals points?

This is a better link, but you still have to filter out the SKA game.

Elite Prospects - KHL Stats 2023-2024

2023-2024 regular season player stats for KHL, including top goal scorers, most games played, PPG leaders and more.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[WarriorofTime]

If he is so good, why didn't he dominate KHL this season. A guy like Pettersson, who is not a Bedard level talent destroyed SHL in his D+1 season

The SHL pays sub-AHL salaries. It is a much weaker league.

People knew the Blackhawks would be terrible this year, and still made those predictions.

Heck, I had him at 78 points and I was one of the more conservative posters.

They are actually down 3 "top six" (by default) Forwards. Hall was expected to play on Bedard's line all season and he only appeared in 10 games.

 

[WPGDEVILS]

37 points in 43 games in the KHL when the quality of the KHL has never been worse and they don't even want him on the A team? Bedard has 34 in 40 in the NHL. same pace different league and different tiers of prospects

 

[wetcoast]

I think Bedard has been less productive than a lot of people expected. There was a large proportion of posters who were expecting 80-100+ points.

The offense support in Chicago is the huge problem had he been drafted by any other team winning the lottery he would be trending closer to the PPG range assuming no injury.

I respect you as a poster but you've been a downer on Bedard for a long time and I can't figure out why.

But I guess everyone has their guys.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

37 points in 42 games for Sochi.

You can’t play a guy a few minutes as a 13F, and count that towards a players stats.

37 points in 43 games in the KHL when the quality of the KHL has never been worse and they don't even want him on the A team? Bedard has 34 in 40 in the NHL. same pace different league and different tiers of prospects

Why don’t you address where they stand in their respective leagues in scoring? 13th vs. 68th.

 

[WarriorofTime]

37 points in 42 games for Sochi.

You can’t play a guy a few minutes as a 13F, and count that towards a players stats.

Michkov came into today 14th in the KHL in PPG. It's a great season. No points through two periods thus far.

 

[Moose Head]

I'm talking about points per game. What's the point in calculating totals points?

This is a better link, but you still have to filter out the SKA game.

Elite Prospects - KHL Stats 2023-2024

2023-2024 regular season player stats for KHL, including top goal scorers, most games played, PPG leaders and more.

www.eliteprospects.com

Now compare the names ahead of Bedard vs the names ahead of Michkov

 

[WPGDEVILS]

He is playing good for Sochi but this is the KHL it’s barely the second best league and wouldn’t be surprised with if the SHL overtakes, this ain’t ovi when he was playing in the khl. He has less ppg and points then fringe NHL and and career AHL players is that supposed to be more impressive then what Bedard is doing in the NHL? He’s a great prospect that any team would love to have but he ain’t no Bedard

37 points in 42 games for Sochi.

You can’t play a guy a few minutes as a 13F, and count that towards a players stats.


Why don’t you address where they stand in their respective leagues in scoring? 13th vs. 68th.

Now compare the names ahead of Bedard vs the names ahead of Michkov

What you mean like the greats Jordan Weal and Ryan Spooner?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

The offense support in Chicago is the huge problem had he been drafted by any other team winning the lottery he would be trending closer to the PPG range assuming no injury.

I respect you as a poster but you've been a downer on Bedard for a long time and I can't figure out why.

But I guess everyone has their guys.

I'm not a downer at all, I'm on record saying that he could score 900 career goals. He's an incredibly gifted offensive player. I just don't see him as a generational talent like so many others seem to, which some people seem to think is outrageous. But nothing about his performance to date has suggested he's generational, and he really hasn't been the best rookie IMO.

Heck, I predicted 36g 78p for him this year and he's well off that pace. If anything, I may have been overly optimistic.

 

[Moose Head]

He is playing good for Sochi but this is the KHL it’s barely the second best league and wouldn’t be surprised with if the SHL overtakes, this ain’t ovi when he was playing in the khl. He has less ppg and points then fringe NHL and and career AHL players is that supposed to be more impressive then what Bedard is doing in the NHL? He’s a great prospect that any team would love to have but he ain’t no Bedard



What you mean like the greats Jordan Weal and Ryan Spooner?

I honestly didn’t realize how bad the KHL has gotten until I saw that list. It’s ugly. Still, very impressive numbers for Michkov considering how young he is and he’s playing in a mens league.

 

[WPGDEVILS]

I honestly didn’t realize how bad the KHL has gotten until I saw that list. It’s ugly. Still, very impressive numbers for Michkov considering how young he is and he’s playing in a mens league.

Exactly it’s not an impressive league anymore. Doesn’t mean Michkov isn’t a great prospect and one of the best in any org but he isn’t some franchise saviour and certainly not Bedard and is much closer to Celebrini or Fantili

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Celebrini is playing against a bunch of bums also. So what?

Does every great hockey player start their first game of hockey in their life in the NHL?