OT: The Newer OT Thread III and Lounge

[Replacement*]

I said my piece. Not trying to convince anyone of anything, just trying to fight that losing battle for consistency.

He stated that 'someone (threw) a lit cigarette down the garbage shoot (sic)'. That hardly sounds like a mistake. More like arson, or vandalism. I stand by my original assertion that the lion's share of accidental apartment complex fires caused by smoking would also involve alcohol as a contributing factor.

What "reasonable" person driving down a BC or Alberta highway in tinder dry conditions tosses a lit cigarette out the window thus causing a Multibillion buck fire that last for the entire summer, burns more area than many countries landmass, and causes countless expense, loss, and relocation. What reasonable person does that?

Thus I challenge the term reasonable and replace it with ignorant. Because an ignorant person does that and I'll generalize intentionally.

The alleged person throwing a cigarette butt into a garbage chute is unknowingly just using a much bigger ashtray in their mind. Because they've never thought about it. The same person would throw a smoke in a laundry bin, laundry chute, a garbage bin, any receptacle will do. Recently a smoker in the US set fire to a gas station as they tried to burn a spider (not making this up) on asphalt that had had a gas spill. (whats the chances of that at a gas station) The fire spread, pump exploded, every other pump exploded and the fire took a day to contain. What can I say? A lot of people are stupid.

Is that the long way round to saying that I exaggerated? If so, yeah, I exaggerated. My bad. Obviously sober smokers sometimes cause fires. My coworker's wife burned their house to the ground about five years ago because she walked out for the day and left her oven on. Not a cigarette in sight. Accidents happen. I do not see why a lit cigarette should be considered any more of a hazard than any other item in a home that could potentially cause a fire.

Agree to disagree. Most things don't contain an accelerant designed to combust and maintain a fire. If electrical wiring/sheathing/electronics were designed to burn up and cause fires...

Cigarettes contain accelerant. Simple as that, and thus are a very different thing and which should not meet any CSA standards properly applied.

At this point I think there are no channels suitable for public viewing. But never mind that, if we can just stamp out those last few stubborn smokers enjoying the demon weed in the privacy of their own homes, imagine how much more of a shiny happy place Canada will be.

What would Marx say?

 

[Replacement*]

Another random and fun topic

German city puts streetlights on pavement to protect cellphone addicted head down not looking at anything else pedestrians..

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/ne...ts-on-ground-to-alert-smartphone-users/66968/

I'm more in favor of geo app that informs the users in bold flashing idiot text that they are a social Darwinist leaning moron walking across traffic on an expressway or intercity high speed commuter train tracks without looking..

Yeah, because if this red traffic light isn't imbedded all over the pavement I'm going to walk in front of speeding trains..which people sadly enough actually do. sigh

idiocracy is real

 

[joestevens29]

Another random and fun topic

German city puts streetlights on pavement to protect cellphone addicted head down not looking at anything else pedestrians..

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/ne...ts-on-ground-to-alert-smartphone-users/66968/

I'm more in favor of geo app that informs the users in bold flashing idiot text that they are a social Darwinist leaning moron walking across traffic on an expressway or commuter train tracks without looking..

Yeah, because if this red traffic light isn't imbedded all over the pavement I'm going to walk in front of speeding trains..which people sadly enough actually do. sigh

idiocracy is real

It's sad, pretty sure couple months ago someone died downtown due to one of these Darwinist characters walking into traffic while using a phone

 

[fancy dan]

rather than chastising, i applaud this town for taking this measure. phones aren't going anywhere, why not take measures to make cities more safe for pedestrians?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

rather than chastising, i applaud this town for taking this measure. phones aren't going anywhere, why not take measures to make cities more safe for pedestrians?

It's a great idea and I agree, but the "news" isn't created for that thought, it's a charged idea about "these damned kids"

The other reason "why not" do something like this, is because a large amount of the people in political power to make these changes think along the same age lines as replacement.

 

[Replacement*]

It's a great idea and I agree, but the "news" isn't created for that thought, it's a charged idea about "these damned kids"

The other reason "why not" do something like this, is because a large amount of the people in political power to make these changes think along the same age lines as replacement.

hmmm every single person responding in comments to that article espouses the same social darwinists dismissiveness that I did.

We're trying to build an idiot proof world which only allows unabated and increased idiocy which inevitably we cannot protect people from. The world is not a fool proof place. Walk across train tracks without looking? Yeah, potentially fatal activity and fools find anywhere to do it.

heres another concept. Its extremely expensive to adopt these new paradigms in the name of making things safer for idiots. You think theres no cost involved in this? Where does it stop? What prevents these people from walking into canyons, off cliffs, into excavation pits, manholes, bodies of water, recessed rapid transit tracks etc?

ps by idiot I'm not actually referring to individuals that would in fact have an IQ inconsistent with looking after themselves, and that require supervision, I am referring to potentially functional imbeciles that find ways to walk into trains, busses, vehicles and require this artifice when the big red traffic signals and walk lights don't do it for them.

 

[BlackDogg]

So, now when these people visit a strange city, they are 100% more apt to run headstrong into a post while texting.

Also, Why can't they just make the streetlamps move when someone is going to hit them??

"Smartposts"

 

[Replacement*]

rather than chastising, i applaud this town for taking this measure. phones aren't going anywhere, why not take measures to make cities more safe for pedestrians?

Controlled traffic intersections, integrated lights, walk signals, crossing arms not enough for you? Lets see how else we can idiot proof this. I know, mandated speed limits for everybody of tractor speed. Should be no problem with our LRT system...

lets just revert back to 10km/hrspeeds and 10hp because some people can't watch where their going. What a concept.

Maybe wrap some people in bubblewrap and a rolling inflatable sphere. That way when the train hits them they just bounce to Winnipeg..

 

[MoneyGuy]

What "reasonable" person driving down a BC or Alberta highway in tinder dry conditions tosses a lit cigarette out the window thus causing a Multibillion buck fire that last for the entire summer, burns more area than many countries landmass, and causes countless expense, loss, and relocation. What reasonable person does that?

Thus I challenge the term reasonable and replace it with ignorant. Because an ignorant person does that and I'll generalize intentionally.

I challenge your use of the term ignorant as being far too nice a description of the intelligence of those ****s who do that ****. I'm a linguist but even I can't think of a word strong enough.

 

[MoneyGuy]

So, now when these people visit a strange city, they are 100% more apt to run headstrong into a post while texting.

Also, Why can't they just make the streetlamps move when someone is going to hit them??

"Smartposts"

Smart posts, stupid people.

 

[Gord]

another reason I am officially "old".
this sharing economy thing.
I understand uber, and airbnb. I just found out people are doing the same thing with eating out.
so we can now pay for the privilege of eating at someone's house. sorry. at your "home restaurant".
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/restaurants-private-home-1.3553764

screw this stuff. I'm not going to pay to visit some strangers house to eat food off their coffee table that was prepared from some unclean kitchen. i'll just call myself old and out of touch.

 

[joestevens29]

It's a great idea and I agree, but the "news" isn't created for that thought, it's a charged idea about "these damned kids"

The other reason "why not" do something like this, is because a large amount of the people in political power to make these changes think along the same age lines as replacement.

It's a waste of money that's why these changes aren't made.

 

[Section337]

I'm not sure about crossing lights in the ground, but changes in the walking paradigm would be a good idea. Sometimes a number of not so good ideas lead to a good idea. Heck, the markers on the ground in London likely led to a number of eye rolls; however, reminding people which way to look when crossing the street might have led to a lower number of broken tourists.

My "not so good ideas"
- Let pedestrians, who leave the curb while the walk part of the walk light is lit, trigger barriers to protect themselves from drivers who are trying to turn left or right, but who are only aware of other cars.
- Introduce pits, which are randomly triggered under pedestrians who leaves the curb when there are 5/7 or less seconds on the count down clock.
- A sarcasm mechanism at cross walks, instead of the ground light. Maybe have Norm MacDonald voice it. Things like, "I wonder if you should cross now or finish your bleeping text?" or "Yeah, yeah. Great idea. Even though it took you 15 seconds to walk from the corner of that building to the curb, you can totally cross a 4 lane street in 3 seconds."

 

[fancy dan]

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[SerbianEagle]

Fact is, you cannot have an "idiot proof" world. It is not possible. By introducing all these measures to protect people from themselves the government is in fact creating expectations that in every situation they will be accommodated, making these idiots even bigger idiots.

There is a small intersection downtown, besides Scotia place, that has the "criss-cross" pedestrian lights where they can cross all directions for about 25 seconds. After the 25 seconds are up, its red for pedestrians and cars can turn either left or right onto Jasper Av as its green for the cars.

Now, being that I am turning either left or right there very often, how many times do you think I had to wait for some dummy pedestrian who is either a) stupid or b) ignorant and is crossing on red and taking their sweet time doing it? People were almost hit by cars there on a few occasions because they pay no attention and are on their phones or have the noise reduction headphones on.

Or yesterday, on the street by Phipps Mackinnon building...I am driving and two women are walking on the street, in the middle of it not realizing there are 4 cars behind them. There is a sidewalk on either side, but these two were in the middle of the street. I am not talking teenagers...these were grown women most likely holding a "for life" GOA position.

You cannot fix stupid. You definitely can't fix ignorant and if you get a combination of the two, no matter what you do to try and protect them, they will still be stupid and ignorant. Period.

 

[Replacement*]

I'm not sure about crossing lights in the ground, but changes in the walking paradigm would be a good idea. Sometimes a number of not so good ideas lead to a good idea. Heck, the markers on the ground in London likely led to a number of eye rolls; however, reminding people which way to look when crossing the street might have led to a lower number of broken tourists.

My "not so good ideas"
- Let pedestrians, who leave the curb while the walk part of the walk light is lit, trigger barriers to protect themselves from drivers who are trying to turn left or right, but who are only aware of other cars.
- Introduce pits, which are randomly triggered under pedestrians who leaves the curb when there are 5/7 or less seconds on the count down clock.
- A sarcasm mechanism at cross walks, instead of the ground light. Maybe have Norm MacDonald voice it. Things like, "I wonder if you should cross now or finish your bleeping text?" or "Yeah, yeah. Great idea. Even though it took you 15 seconds to walk from the corner of that building to the curb, you can totally cross a 4 lane street in 3 seconds."

haha jmo that Gilbert Gottfried would be more effective. he would just rock that ****.

 

[fancy dan]

separate the pedestrian from the motorist.

the city belongs to the pedestrian, make travel more convienient for pedestrians and less convenient for drivers. get people out of cars.

 

[joestevens29]

separate the pedestrian from the motorist.

the city belongs to the pedestrian, make travel more convienient for pedestrians and less convenient for drivers. get people out of cars.

So how do you prevent people from walking in front of a redi-mix truck? Have concrete delivered by wheel barrel? How do you prevent some being hit by a train, which for some reason is something that actually happens.

 

[SerbianEagle]

separate the pedestrian from the motorist.

the city belongs to the pedestrian, make travel more convienient for pedestrians and less convenient for drivers. get people out of cars.

In a city like Edmonton that would not be very intelligent. Why? Its a huge city geographically where most jobs are either downtown or on extreme edges of the city. So by making it pedestrian friendly (the small % of people living downtown), you are inconveniencing the vast majority who have to drive or they face 2.5h commute time.

Also, the climate...get people out of the cars into -30 degree weather with blowing snow? Not very smart.

If anything, because of the style of this city, the opposite should be done. Enlarge the major arteries so the traffic is less clogged.

Considering the geographical area of Edmonton is close to geographical area of some European countries, its far too late to make it a pedestrian city. To have that, you have to have a European style city which Edmonton is not.

 

[Replacement*]

So how do you prevent people from walking in front of a redi-mix truck? Have concrete delivered by wheel barrel? How do you prevent some being hit by a train, which for some reason is something that actually happens.

Its uncanny how any pedestrian gets hit by a train. One would have to lack complete senses of hearing, sight, feeling, vibration for this to occur.

btw Concrete trucks are an interesting example. As vehicle go they are harder to stop obviously due to weight, center of gravity etc. Yet countless instances of pedestrians walking right in front of one.

Its interesting that we street proof youth telling them all the rules of being a pedestrian, look both ways etc. Virtually everybody not living in a dark cave raised by wolves is well aware of this. There is no excuse not to have this basic knowledge and awareness.

 

[Replacement*]

separate the pedestrian from the motorist.

the city belongs to the pedestrian, make travel more convienient for pedestrians and less convenient for drivers. get people out of cars.

Getting people out of cars and making more of them pedestrians probably results in more train/LRT/Bus/Trucks hitting pedestrians..

just saying.

Its like increasing the population, and density of cattle traversing our roadways.

 

[Aceboogie]

Anyone been to Oktoberfest? Im going during the week and want to know if I should get reservations. Likely not 10 people going, probably 4 or 5. Online travel boards say go before 1 or 2 pm and youll get a spot with just a bit of searching (on weekdays)

 

[Aceboogie]

another reason I am officially "old".
this sharing economy thing.
I understand uber, and airbnb. I just found out people are doing the same thing with eating out.
so we can now pay for the privilege of eating at someone's house. sorry. at your "home restaurant".
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/restaurants-private-home-1.3553764

screw this stuff. I'm not going to pay to visit some strangers house to eat food off their coffee table that was prepared from some unclean kitchen. i'll just call myself old and out of touch.

I understand the risk. But some of the at home resturants are run by head chefs at legit restaurants and the meal is set up very professionally. Plus the good chefs will show you how to make the meals or make it however you want it, its like sitting at an expensive head chefs table at a restaurant. Some are probably a bit sketchy in that you dont know peoples qualifications, but some highly rated ones are premium places

I would likely never use one unless I was in San Fran or New York and going 1 time to a great one just for the experience.

On note of sharing economy. The "uber of X" economy is on its death bed in San Fran and the big markets. Uber found massive success because they solved a need. Taxi companies were given a monoply that they smashed thru. Things like "uber for groceries" or "uber for resturants" are failing because grocery delivery was taking place before Uber (and failing) These things dont really solve anything. Uber solved something. So rest assured these type of in home resturants will die off soon

Air BnB and Uber/lyft/tapp carr will be the only survivors (and maybe parking spot sharing). But even the hype for Uber will die down and theyll struggle once cabs come out with similar apps and people become sick of how they treat municipal laws. Im suprised the hype has lasted this long

 

[Aceboogie]

On a side note: Took Tapp Car, very legit. Almost same as Uber, there was cars everywhere. Ive taken it 4 or 5 times all over city, on weekdays and on busy weekends and never waited longer than 5 mins. They let you pay with cash or in any forms of payment (can set up card on app to to auto bill). But Tapp Car actually respects city laws and has full coverage

I can honestly say when Uber comes back to Edmonton ill stick to Tapp car (local company)

 

[Aceboogie]

In the NFL. The projected #1 overall pick(after the 2 QBs) Laremy Tunsil had a video surface an hour before the draft (on his twitter) of him smoking weed from a mask

LMAO. This kid is going to slide. And in the NFL draft the higher you go the more $$$ you make. Probably kissed a couple hundred K away