The New and Improved , Kyle Dubas Discussion Thread
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Gary Nylund
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I believe NYI played much of last season and the entire playoffs without their captain. I also can't help but wonder what our goaltending situation would be if Lou was still here.
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Obviously their healthy talent helped them overcome the injury to the tune of a 3-1 series lead against the worst qualifying playoff team.
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curiously,Jack Campbell had the 2nd best Save Percentage in the 2021 playoffs.
We did quite well against the Cup finalists despite the injuries, but that doesn't change the fact that health was most certainly not "in the Leafs favour" in the Montreal series.
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Before the series, if you knew Tavares would be out... you’d have taken their roster over ours?
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some of our players did quite well
Jake Muzzin for example, had more goals than Matthews and Marner COMBINED
he did pretty good.
That's an entirely different discussion. The fact is, we dealt with more injury issues than Montreal. Health was not in our favour in that series.
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When I think of the Dubas Bots I think of how much they tried to smear Lou Lamoriello while ignoring his HOF status and successful career. That he of all things had held back Dubas because of contracts, etc.
I also associate Dubas Fans with ripping Leo Komarov. Calling him "old", "useless", "overpaid", etc. Some how a lot of Leaf Fans got on that smear train. I couldn't believe it. He went from being drafted/developed by Toronto, to all star, to eventually dirt status. I know he's not scoring 19 goals a season for NYI, but look at what he's done:
163 NHL games
Averages around 13 min. a night
44 Playoff Games
Ok fine. He's not scoring, but does an old useless player go on to contribute this much?
Wouldn't you rather this than a dangling fool who flips the puck over the boards in key situations?
I also associate Dubas Fans with ripping Leo Komarov. Calling him "old", "useless", "overpaid", etc. Some how a lot of Leaf Fans got on that smear train. I couldn't believe it. He went from being drafted/developed by Toronto, to all star, to eventually dirt status. I know he's not scoring 19 goals a season for NYI, but look at what he's done:
163 NHL games
Averages around 13 min. a night
44 Playoff Games
Ok fine. He's not scoring, but does an old useless player go on to contribute this much?
Wouldn't you rather this than a dangling fool who flips the puck over the boards in key situations?
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The players who replaced our injured players were not better than the injured players, and the players who played through injuries were not better than if they were healthy. We dealt with more injury issues than Montreal. Health was not in our favour in that series. There is really no debating that fact.
How you think we stacked up against Montreal through all of the injuries is an entirely different discussion.
Injuries? also lost Muzzin(our best playoff D) again, lost Foligno(our big deadline playoff pickup) half the series and played hurt the other half, Matthews playing on a wrist that needed to be surgically repaired.....not to mention Tavares was on a heater and playing his best hockey of the season coming into the playoffs. There wasnt a team more banged up than the Leafs.
Tactics? Despite the injuries, the Leafs outshot and out chanced the Habs the last 3 games. You know what bad tactics are? Throwing a pizza up the middle to give a team a 2 on 0 in overtime or giving away a game in your own end when your team has the other on the ropes.
Talent? The Leafs have now outshot teams 175-132 in elimination games the last two playoffs and goaltending stands at:
Opposition Goaltending: .943%
Leafs Goaltending: .879%
I think I see the biggest talent hurdle. The coaching has been solid, the top 6 and top 4 have great stats. Depth players not producing and throwing games away and a massive difference in goaltending have killed us.
Not to mention that Hyman was coming off a sprained MCL that had kept him out for over a month, and did not look 100%.
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when you talk elimination games... that’s not just game 7 right?
Muzzin outscored Marner and Matthews combined.
I see a problem.
Nope but pretty sure Mrazek will be a massive upgrade on what Andersen brought us last year. One of the worst starters in the league. I expect total goals against to continue to be top ten best.
Mrazek has his own health issues of course but goalies are like voodoo much of the time. Just think about when the Islanders goaltending had that bad stretch and they almost pulled a reverse St. Louis going from the top of the league to crashing out of the playoffs saved only by the Covid reset. You actually had Isles fans calling for a teardown and for Lou and Trotz to be fired.....and that was less than 100 total games ago.
It's funny how things work out and why we shouldn't be so quick to judge.
Might have been the reason he only had 1 point in 7 games.....well that and Price of course.
No disrespect to Anders Lee (who is a loss) but he doesnt amount to the level of walking wounded we had by the end of the series.
I'm pretty sure Lou really liked Andersen and would have gave him as much rope as we ended up doing. Other than a few changes at backup, I don't think much would be different.
Some of you still think that Lou did a great job here with his throwing away of 2nd's for 2 fourth liners, and leaving his successor with $11 million in immovable contracts and 3 elite star players coming off ELC's?
What would you expect a GM to accomplish in 3 years after taking over a team that made the playoffs once (*) in 10 years ?
Yep. Funny enough, that 1 point was actually a goal by Marner, incorrectly attributed to Hyman.
Total elimination games the last 2 years? When it comes to all 5 games the last 2 years:
Points for Matthews (5 points)/Marner (4 points)/Nylander(5 points): 14
Points for the entire rest of the team including the D: 14
As far as the Muzzin thing goes, yep I agree that losing our most effective playoff dman AGAIN was a huge problem. Out of those 5 elimination games, Muzzin only played in 1 full game.....and just Marner and Matthews scored more points in those 5 games than Cup champ stars Kucherov/Stamkos and Point did in their 5 elimination games this year.
While true, it should be noted that 8 of those 14 points came in Game 4 of the CBJ which was a most atypical game.
4 more came in Game 5 against the Habs (3 of which were secondary assists)
The final 2 were achieved far too late in Game 7.
So sure, 14 points in 5 games sounds ok, but aside from the Game 4 heroics, I would consider it a disappointment overall.
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You could probably debate that fact. I mean they also won 3 games with key injuries. It was looking at one point like they were going to win the series.
OK, even if you want to discount the greatest playoff comeback in recent playoff history (and maybe Leafs history) led by those guys, then its 6 points in 4 games (and 10 points for the entire rest of the team including the D) which stacks up to be about the same as Tampa's championship stars did this year(with triple the support and an MVP goalie). My point still stands I think.
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I blame the dude who made the GDT in Game 5 and Game 6 when I had a winning record and jinxed it
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