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The Myth of John Tavares and Unmet Potential - by an Isles Fan

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He doesn't look good right now. Stats are respectable for a 6M player, but 11M not even close. Looks slow and ineffective most nights.
 
The Winter Soldier said:
He doesn't look good right now. Stats are respectable for a 6M player, but 11M not even close. Looks slow and ineffective most nights.
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So one down year big whoop guy just had a baby and broke his hand earlier and only has one less point in less games than the almighty Matthew Barzal.
 
typicalsavage said:
So one down year big whoop guy just had a baby and broke his hand earlier and only has one less point in less games than the almighty Matthew Barzal.
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With an 11m price tag*

Guy needs to be putting up 90+ point seasons regularly for that kind of price but then again he's always been overrated, look at him with star players and still doesn't put up a ppg season.
 
typicalsavage said:
So one down year big whoop guy just had a baby and broke his hand earlier and only has one less point in less games than the almighty Matthew Barzal.
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Not sure why you are bringing Barzal into a The myth of John Tavares thread. The only myth he is proving is he is terribly overrated to be paid at 11M a year.
 
Sky04 said:
With an 11m price tag*

Guy needs to be putting up 90+ point seasons regularly for that kind of price but then again he's always been overrated, look at him with star players and still doesn't put up a ppg season.
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He put up 47 goals last year but im not spruced a Tampa fan would act like last season never happened seeing as how the Bolts are like the only 60 win team to get swept by an 8th seed. Talk about overpaid players, imagine paying all that money to Stamkos, Kucherov etc and not even winning a playoff game
 
typicalsavage said:
He put up 47 goals last year but im not spruced a Tampa fan would act like last season never happened seeing as how the Bolts are like the only 60 win team to get swept by an 8th seed. Talk about overpaid players, imagine paying all that money to Stamkos, Kucherov etc and not even winning a playoff game
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You mean the guys who get paid less than all the leafs players and outproduce them considerably? No wonder you're deflecting, I would too with 11m tied up to a guy producing as much as a 2nd liner.

You'd think a leafs fan would know what "overpaid players" look like with half their cap tied up to them :laugh:
 
Sky04 said:
You mean the guys who get paid less than all the leafs players and outproduce them considerably? No wonder you're deflecting, I would too with 11m tied up to a guy producing as much as a 2nd liner.

You'd think a leafs fan would know what "overpaid players" look like with half their cap tied up to them :laugh:
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Matthews is better than anyone the Bolts have therefore he gets paid more not a hard concept to understand. Its harder for guys in toronoto to take pay cuts when they gotta lose 60% of their salaries to taxes, escrow, agent fees etc. Youre team just handed out 2 1st rounders and a guy drafted in the first round for Coleman and Goodrow lmfao talk about overpaying
 
typicalsavage said:
Matthews is better than anyone the Bolts have therefore he gets paid more not a hard concept to understand. Its harder for guys in toronoto to take pay cuts when they gotta lose 60% of their salaries to taxes, escrow, agent fees etc. Youre team just handed out 2 1st rounders and a guy drafted in the first round for Coleman and Goodrow lmfao talk about overpaying
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Kucherov - Hart, Pearson, Art Ross
Hedman - Norris
Vasilevsky - Vezina

The leafs have the exact same amount of first rounders this draft as the lightning. The lightning got two players out of there picks.
 
I really can't stand the whole "San Jose offered him $13 million he took a discount to come home"

that whole argument is beyond weak.
Really good player, and great to have him. But his contract was not below market PERIOD.
 
Merrrlin said:
I have been thinking about writing this post for over a month now. I've noticed on different areas of this website, John has been disrespected or generally underrated or underappreciated.

What I've read:
  • John got overpaid
  • John never reached his potential
  • John wasn't a great #1 pick
  • John's career has been a letdown

Now just so we're clear, I am not interested in discussing how he left our team...as most Islander fans would agree, we're dissapointed. There's no way around that, even if he did give us some good years. If I had it my way, we would have hired Lou and Trotz 5 years ago and John's story with us may be completely different.

Good. That's out of the way. Lets look at some of John's stats.

I recently read in the prospects forum that a certain prospect is similar to Tavares, and it was meant as an insult. Posters claimed he isn't elite, and that you can find better players in every draft, so it's a disappointing comparison. Let's take a look:


[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Range[/TD][TD]Goals[/TD][TD]Assists[/TD][TD]Points[/TD][TD]P/GP[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]2 years (164gp)[/TD][TD]2nd[/TD][TD]36th[/TD][TD]7th[/TD][TD]15th[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]5 years (401gp)[/TD][TD]2nd[/TD][TD]22nd[/TD][TD]6th[/TD][TD]8th[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]10 years (751gp)[/TD][TD]3rd [/TD][TD]16th[/TD][TD]7th[/TD][TD]15th[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
*source: QuantHockey.com


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In the last 10 years, the only players with more goals are:
  • Alex Ovechkin
  • Steven Stamkos

In the last 10 years, the only players with more points are:
  • Sidney Crosby
  • Patrick Kane
  • Alex Ovechkin
  • Claude Giroux
  • Steven Stamkos
  • Nicklas Backstrom

Take a look at that list. Can you name a player on that list who accomplished that with less help? Our Islander teams have been awful. The best players John Tavares has played with are (by P/GP in last 10 years for NYI players):
  • Thomas Vanek (only 47 gp)
  • Mathew Barzal (only 1 season)
  • PA Parentau
  • Matt Moulsen
  • Brad Boyes
  • Kyle Okposo
*source: NHL.com

Look at that list. Those were the best P/GP players that played for the Islanders with John over his last 10 seasons with our franchise. There is no Malkin, no Kessel, no Carlson or Backstrom, no Hedman or Kucherov, no Toews or Keith....PA Parentau and Matt Moulsen...

CONCLUSION

John Tavares has been an elite player his entire career. No one in his class of players (top scorers) over his career even come close to having as little support. Hockey is a team game, and point totals are heavily influenced by the talent around you.
  • John got overpaid
How can you call his contract an overpayment? Look at his goal scoring proficiency!
  • John never reached his potential
Finishing top 15 in the last decade with no help, and top 3 in goals. What more can you really expect from a player, even a #1 OA pick?
  • John wasn't a great #1 pick
See above.
  • John's career has been a letdown
This one is harder to answer. I remember an unbelievable amount of excitement when we drafted him. He didn't bring us a cup, and he left, so as an Islander...well, maybe you could say his time with us was a disappointment. We didn't give him any help.

However, as a player separate from the emotional aspect, I would say he's had a great career. One of the best goal scorers of the decade, and possibly of a generation. In the top 0.1% in terms of production.

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Great article!
The truth is you should have just kept him ... he could have retired an Islander and been a legend.
He is just a failed player in Toronto - who seems to be hated by everybody ... Isles hate him and we Leafs hate him.
 
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typicalsavage said:
Matthews is better than anyone the Bolts have therefore he gets paid more not a hard concept to understand. Its harder for guys in toronoto to take pay cuts when they gotta lose 60% of their salaries to taxes, escrow, agent fees etc. Youre team just handed out 2 1st rounders and a guy drafted in the first round for Coleman and Goodrow lmfao talk about overpaying
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Matthews is the next Tavares, overrated and can't get out of the first round, Tampa has guys cheaper and better than him. The leafs love overpaying for guys who can't even win a playoff round. It's not harder for guys to take paycuts, your team just sucks at getting them.
 
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Lol please let this go Isles fans. And that's saying a lot for me because I'm not particularly fond of the Leafs, but Tavares has been gone for a long time and your team is doing fine. Don't be sore winners.
 
Joining this forum and pretending to be a fan of a different team than the one you actually cheer for is the most pathetic thing you can do here.

Others have done it - the “Hawks fan” who insisted that Giroux>Toews comes to mind - but nobody has done such a terrible job of concealing their fandom as the OP of this thread.

Merrrlin said:
This is a year old
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And you were as much of an Islanders fan then as you are today.

Your user title is also literally a 2 year paraphrased quote of mine, so don’t go pretending you’re above trying to dunk on people for old takes.
 
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