The Morgan Rielly Disrespect Is Getting Out Of Hand

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This thread shows just how little online Leaf fans really know. Some here think he's a top level #1 and some think he's horrible and needs to be traded. Some of you (most likely all of you) are wrong. Think about it. If you're wrong about this then what else are you wrong about?

Anyway, the reality is that Rielly is an ok #2. The Leafs haven't had a real #1 in a very long time and between that and goaltending anyone who thinks that we've been contenders the last few years was delusional. He's worth close to his salary, has some nice intangibles and we should probably keep him but if you think he's a clear #1D or you think that he's garbage then you're just simply wrong.
 
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You overestimate the skill of the leafs defensemen. Team defense has improved because of forward backchecking. MR eats minutes and still plays at a high level against tough competition. You play most of your D like that and you won't have any left.
Perhaps your right and perhaps you're overstating our D capability. Who am I to say? All I know is we havent played this well defensively in a very long time....and I have watching the Leafs since the early 60's...
 
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Whether you believe Rielly is a #1 or #2 defenceman, we shouldn’t be looking to trade him. If anything, we should be looking to add to him.
 
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If we're talking about Rielly and his attributes as a leader and standing up for his teammates etc. then sure he definitely is valuable to the team, but if we're talking about his actual play on the ice then that's somewhat of a different story. No doubt he plays hard and gives it his all and while he's good not great offensively, he's about average and at times below average defensively.

I've watched Rielly since the time he was drafted by the Leafs, then played his first game with the team and have watched him play pretty much his entire career. Over the years I'm sure everyone hoped he would turn into an elite Dman who could provide offensive and play very good/great defense and be the Leafs #1 guy. Unfortunately that hasn't quite happened and while playing number one Dman minutes, he probably should be playing a few less as a second pairing guy. However considering the Leafs didn't have anyone better, he because the default top guy.

For me I think perhaps I was looking for Rielly to have a Liljegren type of progression. In his first season where he got significant games with the Leafs he started off abit rocky and was making some mistakes and was giving up the puck carelessly a few times, but as the season went on he got progressively better and by the end of the season he was playing quite good. This season he's stepped it up and has been perhaps the Leafs most steady and reliable Dman who you can trust to play the most difficult of defensive situations. That's what I hoped Rielly would become on the defensive side, but it hasn't ever happened to date.

Who knows maybe there's still room for improvement for Rielly, but it seems unlikely at this point in his career. Perhaps the best you can hope for is to have Liljegren play with him and see if that doesn't work out. As for Rielly getting traded maybe before he signed his new contract there was a half decent chance of that happening, but now it seems highly unlikely at least for a few seasons unless something drastically changes.

Personally I wouldn't mind if he were traded and think it would hurt the team more in the locker room than on the ice. His cap space could be used to resign some guys like Bunting and maybe add another forward. Offensively I think Liljegren, Sandin and Timmins can make up for the loss of his points. I mean Rielly is good offensively, but he's not Makar or Karlsson level of being an elite point producing defenseman.

Lets hope when he comes back he can bring it up another level, but if you look back at some old threads on this board, you'd see that more than a few people have talked about his defense for a number of years now and that this wasn't just a recent thing.
Very well put. I have tried ....but you've hit the nail on the head.
 
TIL an okay #2 can finish top 5 in Norris voting 4 years ago and 11th last year.

Sound like you don't know how Norris voting works. Makar got 1631 points Reilly got 10 for an award where only first place counts.
 
10-0-1 without the prodigal son.

But hey, apparently he will be back skating imminently so you will have your messiah back giving up odd man rushes soon enough. Just relax and enjoy the consecutive point streak rather than being so “sick” of people’s opinions about him. If you like the guy, post stats to backup why he is good but remember people also have the right to post stats that show his flaws. Not everyone thinks highly of him and I am in the boat of people who would ship him out. Its my opinion.
I wouldn't hesitate to trade him for a quality forward.

Can’t wait to add Morgan back into the lineup. It will only make the Leafs a better team
Not better defensively....thats for sure...
 
Sound like you don't know how Norris voting works. Makar got 1631 points Reilly got 10 for an award where only first place counts.
Then name 40-45 d-men better than Rielly since he's an "okay #2".

When looking at Norris voting, when you consider that everyone around Rielly in the voting is a #1D...makes it obvious what Rielly is too, since you weren't able to grasp that.
 
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Then name 40-45 d-men better than Rielly since he's an "okay #2".

When looking at Norris voting, when you consider that everyone around Rielly in the voting is a #1D...makes it obvious what Rielly is too, since you weren't able to grasp that.
Makar
Ek
Hedman
Ekblad
Seider
Hamilton
Jones
Werenski
Dahlin
Power
Heiskanen
Sergachev
Letang
 
I just hope Reilly learns a few things from how this team is suppose to play defence from now on.
 
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Then name 40-45 d-men better than Rielly since he's an "okay #2".

When looking at Norris voting, when you consider that everyone around Rielly in the voting is a #1D...makes it obvious what Rielly is too, since you weren't able to grasp that.
Oh dear. There aren't 32 #1 D in the NHL. Just because some guy gets #1 ice time on a bad team doesn't mean he's a #1. Some teams have been known to have two.

The only thing that mattered in the Norris voting last year was the 1st and 2nd place votes as there were only two realistic options, Makar and Josi, and everyone knew it, after that the voters could vote for anyone they liked and they did. That's how all these trophy votes go.
 
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Oh dear. There aren't 32 #1 D in the NHL. Just because some guy gets #1 ice time on a bad team doesn't mean he's a #1. Some teams have been known to have two.

The only thing that mattered in the Norris voting last year was the 1st and 2nd place votes as there were only two realistic options, Makar and Josi, and everyone knew it, after that the voters could vote for anyone they liked and they did. That's how all these trophy votes go.
Nobody cares for the way you see it. And I guess when Rielly got 28 2nd place votes 4 years ago he was a 1D by your logic.

Rank the best d-men in the league, I'm waiting.

Makar
Ek
Hedman
Ekblad
Seider
Hamilton
Jones
Werenski
Dahlin
Power
Heiskanen
Sergachev
Letang
Go ask Bolts fans if they think Sergachev is a #1D, much less better than Rielly.

That's not 40-45 either.
 
Nobody cares for the way you see it. And I guess when Rielly got 28 2nd place votes 4 years ago he was a 1D by your logic.

Rank the best d-men in the league, I'm waiting.


Go ask Bolts fans if they think Sergachev is a #1D, much less better than Rielly.

That's not 40-45 either.
Sergachev is better than Rielly today and twice on Tuesday. Go do your Lil Pepe impression on someone more gullible.
 
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Sergachev is better than Rielly today and twice on Tuesday. Go do your Lil Pepe impression on someone more gullible.
Sergachev is better defensively, but overall...from a goals above replacement perspective, it just isn't true.
Last 3 year, sergachev is in the 52nd percentile while Rielly in in the 86th. You need to see all variables if you want to win.
 
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Makar
Ek
Hedman
Ekblad
Seider
Hamilton
Jones
Werenski
Dahlin
Power
Heiskanen
Sergachev
Letang
You’ve named about 7 defencemen better than him

EK, Seider, Hamilton, Jones, Werenski, Power, Seegachev are not better than hum

EK and sergachev have this year on him, what about the last 4-5 years where sergachev was bottom-middle pairing defencemen and EK produced less and played even worse defensively

Hamilton is almost exactly the same player Rielly is, both aren’t great defensively and are good offensively, they rotate who’s better offensively on a year by year bases

Seider took a step back, he’s looked rough, I don’t think he’s currently better, last year sure

Jones is awful lol

Power is playing his first season and has on metrics and is pacing for only 30 points, yet has a 12% oiSH%, that along with buffalos offence won’t sustain

A proper list would be like:
Makar
Josi
Hedman
Ekblad
Letang
Dahlin
Heiskanen
Fox
Mcavoy
Carlson

Rielly is a mid-low end #1. Probably 12-30
 
Sound like you don't know how Norris voting works. Makar got 1631 points Reilly got 10 for an award where only first place counts.
what the hell am I looking at in your avatar picture?

it almost looks like a seriously deformed nipple.
 
I could be wrong, but looking at advanced stats it looks like Rielly was one of the best leaf players vs Tampa.
 

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