The Morgan Rielly Disrespect Is Getting Out Of Hand

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Jimmy Firecracker

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I've seen too many Leafs fans opining that this team doesn't need Rielly due to this hot stretch we've been on and frankly I'm sick of it. How quickly we forget how great a player he is and can be. People seem to forget that he's one of the best offensive defensmen and puck movers in the league while being a solid penalty killer. Not to mention his leadership qualities and the fact that he's a good playoff performer, being tied for 20th in defensemen scoring (25 points in 39 playoff games) in the playoffs since 16-17, while playing far fewer games than many of the defensemen ahead of him.

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A justification for moving him is that the Leafs are somehow better without him, and if that's the logic you're using then I guess we can show Matthews the door too, since the Leafs are a whopping 30-15-2 without him, a 0.659 winning percentage. Yes the Leafs have been stellar since Morgan went down to injury, but lest we forget he was here for the first 5 games of this point streak that saw the Leafs go 3-0-2, and when you look at the 10 games he was healthy after the disastrous Anaheim game the Leafs were 6-1-3 with him and he had 9 points in those 10 games.

Another justification is that Sandin is just fine quarterbacking the powerplay compared to Rielly, and while I like Sandin there just fine he has room to grow and the powerplay has also been getting progressively worse since Rielly went on LTIR. Rielly went on LTIR November 22nd, which is about when the xGF on the PP started dropping. The raw results themselves have also not been there.

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It's true that Rielly is poor defensively but that doesn't mean that he is expendable or that the Leafs are better without him. There is something to be said about loyalty and team chemistry both on the ice and in the locker room. Rielly is well liked by the team and is willing to go the extra mile to help this team win. And honestly the logic that the Leafs have played well without Rielly so therefore they should trade him is nonsensical. If we follow that train of thought then the Bruins should've traded Marchand and/or McAvoy earlier this year since they were kicking ass without them.

Make no mistake, when this team goes on a playoff run Rielly will be a huge reason why, and all this talk about trading him will look just as foolish as the Marner trade talk from two weeks into the season.

 
I don't know that I would describe it as 'too many fans', seems more like a few.
FYI - there is already a thread on this.

 
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It's not that he doesn't have strengths, but having a guy in the 1st percentile for ES defense play 23 minutes per game as your team's #1 defenseman isn't a very good situation. He's good enough to contribute if the Leafs can deploy him to his strengths, but he does need to be sheltered
 
Anybody with any hockey sense and or acumen and or has played , coached , and or is knowledgeable in the sport knows the reality of this ridiculously inane take on a player like Morgan Reilly and his ability to play this game .
Add in his Loyalty and desire and leadership qualities and the fact he’s one of the best Dmen in hockey and is a proud proud member of our organization and franchise , it’s actually not even worth it to get into any debate whatsoever with anyone who denigrates this player in anyway .
Every player goes through bad stretches and makes gaffes and isn’t perfect , every single athlete.
Mo is a top 2 D on any team in this league and we are very fortunate to have him on our team .
Make room on the Bench outside for him in the future .
GLG
 
I just hope that Mo has watched the team, and our success during his absence, and takes to heart what is making us so successful. I hope he buys into the style the team, and the D are playing, and he alters his style somewhat to a slightly more conservative style 5 v 5. No doubt he's a massive asset on the PP though.
 
I just hope that Mo has watched the team, and our success during his absence, and take to heart what is making us so successful. I hope he buys into the style the team, and the D are playing, and he alters his style somewhat to a slightly more conservative style 5 v 5. No doubt he's a massive asset on the PP though.
One thing you can never doubt about Rielly is that he is the ultimate team player
 
Rielly is defensively challenged. You don’t really want this guy on the ice in the final minutes with a one goal lead. His offence is mediocre, most of his points are secondary assists. He is not good on the PP and his shot is brutal. This is not the first time the Leafs have excelled while he has been injured. I would definitely offer this guy in a package for a top 6 winger and a 3/4 physical defender. Sandin can easily replace him on the PP. Yes he is loyal and a team player but the team has always had trouble scoring in the playoffs. We can’t expect any goals from our 3rd and 4th line in the playoffs. Bunting and whomever is on the second line are not top 6 forwards, especially in the playoffs. Need to find a way to add an offensively gifted winger to play on the top or second line.
 
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Just wait till he’s back, I’m expecting big things
 
This team needs Mo, had he asked for 9 million plus I would agree we don’t need him. He is the a heart the TML and Matthew, Marner and to a lesser degree Nylander should all follow his lead when their next contracts come up.
 
A good team can weather the storm in the face of injury during the regular season. The playoffs can sometimes be a different beast entirely. I'm not too surprised that the team is trucking along right now (the extent to which they are is probably surprising). By the same token, it'll still be good to have Rielly back when that time comes.
 
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Rielly is defensively challenged. You don’t really want this guy on the ice in the final minutes with a one goal lead. His offence is mediocre, most of his points are secondary assists. He is not good on the PP and his shot is brutal. This is not the first time the Leafs have excelled while he has been injured. I would definitely offer this guy in a package for a top 6 winger and a 3/4 physical defender. Sandin can easily replace him on the PP. Yes he is loyal and a team player but the team has always had trouble scoring in the playoffs. We can’t expect any goals from our 3rd and 4th line in the playoffs. Bunting and whomever is on the second line are not top 6 forwards, especially in the playoffs. Need to find a way to add an offensively gifted winger to play on the top or second line.
Than put two shutdown defensemen on the ice. No one says Rielly has to be on the ice to hold the lead.
 
I've seen too many Leafs fans opining that this team doesn't need Rielly due to this hot stretch we've been on and frankly I'm sick of it. How quickly we forget how great a player he is and can be. People seem to forget that he's one of the best offensive defensmen and puck movers in the league while being a solid penalty killer. Not to mention his leadership qualities and the fact that he's a good playoff performer, being tied for 20th in defensemen scoring (25 points in 39 playoff games) in the playoffs since 16-17, while playing far fewer games than many of the defensemen ahead of him.

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A justification for moving him is that the Leafs are somehow better without him, and if that's the logic you're using then I guess we can show Matthews the door too, since the Leafs are a whopping 30-15-2 without him, a 0.659 winning percentage. Yes the Leafs have been stellar since Morgan went down to injury, but lest we forget he was here for the first 5 games of this point streak that saw the Leafs go 3-0-2, and when you look at the 10 games he was healthy after the disastrous Anaheim game the Leafs were 6-1-3 with him and he had 9 points in those 10 games.

Another justification is that Sandin is just fine quarterbacking the powerplay compared to Rielly, and while I like Sandin there just fine he has room to grow and the powerplay has also been getting progressively worse since Rielly went on LTIR. Rielly went on LTIR November 22nd, which is about when the xGF on the PP started dropping. The raw results themselves have also not been there.

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It's true that Rielly is poor defensively but that doesn't mean that he is expendable or that the Leafs are better without him. There is something to be said about loyalty and team chemistry both on the ice and in the locker room. Rielly is well liked by the team and is willing to go the extra mile to help this team win. And honestly the logic that the Leafs have played well without Rielly so therefore they should trade him is nonsensical. If we follow that train of thought then the Bruins should've traded Marchand and/or McAvoy earlier this year since they were kicking ass without them.

Make no mistake, when this team goes on a playoff run Rielly will be a huge reason why, and all this talk about trading him will look just as foolish as the Marner trade talk from two weeks into the season.



Well said I'd give you a like if I could. Another thing you didn't bring up is his leadership. How quickly we forget he was a very popular choice for captain from fans before JT got it. He's super important in the room and has been through it all with this team from blowing the regular season, blowing the playoffs, finishing last in the league, finishing top 5 in the league and that has value as well when your in our market.

Yeah I get it he gets clowned on once in a while defensively and is guilty of pinching too often. He's also by far our best puck mover and our D badly needs scoring from it which he can provide having scored 20 goals himself.

Edit: Read the thread and others said leadership already but leaving it up
 
This team needs Mo, had he asked for 9 million plus I would agree we don’t need him. He is the a heart the TML and Matthew, Marner and to a lesser degree Nylander should all follow his lead when their next contracts come up.

Call me nuts but I 100% genuinely believe they will if Dubas is still our GM. They love him and playing for him which is a big one and a reason why Steve Y got Tampa players to all buy in.

Not saying steal contracts but they will take fair value this time for max term. Wouldn't be surprised to see Matthews take his current caphit x 8 and same with Marner honestly if not the Matthews deal copied and pasted.

I think they are very aware their contracts might have prevents them from being cup winners right now and they are already rich AF. I think if they really believe in the team and the org and think they can win they'll take a bit less
 
Rielly is one of the best transition d-men in the game and is also one of the best in the league at getting the puck into the slot / high danger areas.

Sure, the Leafs have looked good defensively, but it's come at the cost of generating offense from the back end. They are not getting enough from there and Rielly's ability to rush the puck and quickly transition is paramount to that.
 
I've seen too many Leafs fans opining that this team doesn't need Rielly due to this hot stretch we've been on and frankly I'm sick of it. How quickly we forget how great a player he is and can be. People seem to forget that he's one of the best offensive defensmen and puck movers in the league while being a solid penalty killer. Not to mention his leadership qualities and the fact that he's a good playoff performer, being tied for 20th in defensemen scoring (25 points in 39 playoff games) in the playoffs since 16-17, while playing far fewer games than many of the defensemen ahead of him.

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A justification for moving him is that the Leafs are somehow better without him, and if that's the logic you're using then I guess we can show Matthews the door too, since the Leafs are a whopping 30-15-2 without him, a 0.659 winning percentage. Yes the Leafs have been stellar since Morgan went down to injury, but lest we forget he was here for the first 5 games of this point streak that saw the Leafs go 3-0-2, and when you look at the 10 games he was healthy after the disastrous Anaheim game the Leafs were 6-1-3 with him and he had 9 points in those 10 games.

Another justification is that Sandin is just fine quarterbacking the powerplay compared to Rielly, and while I like Sandin there just fine he has room to grow and the powerplay has also been getting progressively worse since Rielly went on LTIR. Rielly went on LTIR November 22nd, which is about when the xGF on the PP started dropping. The raw results themselves have also not been there.

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It's true that Rielly is poor defensively but that doesn't mean that he is expendable or that the Leafs are better without him. There is something to be said about loyalty and team chemistry both on the ice and in the locker room. Rielly is well liked by the team and is willing to go the extra mile to help this team win. And honestly the logic that the Leafs have played well without Rielly so therefore they should trade him is nonsensical. If we follow that train of thought then the Bruins should've traded Marchand and/or McAvoy earlier this year since they were kicking ass without them.

Make no mistake, when this team goes on a playoff run Rielly will be a huge reason why, and all this talk about trading him will look just as foolish as the Marner trade talk from two weeks into the season.



I'd like to see how they calculate that defensive zone WAR, because all I can say is that Rielly is nowhere near a bottom-tier defender in the NHL.

Bit of a gambler, sure. Does he always handle the toughest defensive minutes? No.

But both his actual GA/60 is 2.77 and his xGA/60 is 2.46... And that was after a first 5-7 games where he had an abnormally high GA/60 due to some mistakes that were not entirely in his control (bad forward turnovers, weak goals given up by goalies, etc.). Those numbers put him more average to slightly above average, which is what the first card has him as and is a fair assessment of his defensive ability. In the last 14 games he has played (out of 20 total), he has a GA/60 under 2 at 5-on-5 and an xGA/60 of 2.35. Those numbers are getting closer to top echelon defense and he was absolutely locking guys down at 5-on-5.

Of course on top of being almost a PPG defenseman. Just needs to figure out how to score some goals, but isn't that the case for a lot of guys on the Leafs right now? :laugh:
 
Mo is part of the core and they just re-signed him to what is by all accounts a team friendly deal. He is respected on the team and it would send a terrible message. As an outsider I obviously can't guarantee anything but I will... the Leafs will NOT be trading Mo. Ain't happening.
 

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