No **** lol. Point is he keeps seeming to get injured and is it fr long lengths. Is this what NYr has to deal with. A talented but very over rated d man who has o ****ing luck? Even when he is in or out NYR is no diff. Staal isn't a game changing player. He's good defensively that's all man
The Michael Del Zotto is a delsaster.
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No **** lol. Point is he keeps seeming to get injured and is it fr long lengths. Is this what NYr has to deal with. A talented but very over rated d man who has o ****ing luck? Even when he is in or out NYR is no diff. Staal isn't a game changing player. He's good defensively that's all man
To be fair, Del Z is not an offensive threat from blueline. He is a playmaking Dmen and puck mover. But he is not a point shooting threat in any real capacity. He can QB a PP, but he isn't someone a team has to hone in on.
He still has issues with being a bit panicky with the puck, but that will improve in time.
broadwayblue
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Hardly. Not sure how he's overrated when he's the best all around dman on this team. And yeah, taking a puck to the eye is clearly his fault.
Staal's eye sight has to be a legitimate concern moving forward. Its a very real possibility that he won't ever be the same player. Its been reported doctors expect a full recovery, but making a full recovery and being able to play hockey at the highest professional level with the same effectiveness, is another story all together.
Will he be able to be the same player he was pre-concussion two years ago. That's the decision the Rangers need to make. And it may not be an easy decision.
Will he be able to be the same player he was pre-concussion two years ago. That's the decision the Rangers need to make. And it may not be an easy decision.
DudMan28
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Not really sure what to do with DZ. Some nights he looks like the worst defensemen on the planet and other nights he looks like a solid top 4 d-man. He has some decent offensive skills, but not as much as everyone thinks. For an "offensive" d-man he cant hit the broad side of a barn with his shot, which is a big problem. He also doesn't have great puck carrying ability and is still very jittery on the PP. He rarely makes a break-out pass that makes you say "wow". And then to top it off he has his nights where he struggles defensively.
He can continue to get better, which is why I am hesitant to move him. But he didn't exactly look like an offensive threat in this years playoffs and his defense was down-right awful in some games.
I think you have to stick it out with him for one more year. That will give him three straight seasons in the NHL and I think for the most part you'll know what your going to get from him on a nightly basis. There is still too much unknown with him to move him at this point in time.
He can continue to get better, which is why I am hesitant to move him. But he didn't exactly look like an offensive threat in this years playoffs and his defense was down-right awful in some games.
I think you have to stick it out with him for one more year. That will give him three straight seasons in the NHL and I think for the most part you'll know what your going to get from him on a nightly basis. There is still too much unknown with him to move him at this point in time.
The biggest issue is: How long will it be for Del Z to take the next step? I think Del Z will eventually become a top offensive Dman in this league. But if that time takes longer than the window for NYR Cup aspirations; it may be wiser to move him now.
NYSportsfan87
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What could the rangers get for him at this point? Honestly I don't know, and they have the tape on him. He has definitely struggled, but would someone take a chance thinking they could "fix" him? I honestly don't know so any info would be huge for me.
He doesn't need much fixing. There is a a lot of teams in need of a guy who can play top 4 pairing and has playoff experience. Also, he is young and has significant potential.
Rangers wouldn't have a problem getting some good offers.
NYSportsfan87
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Low/mid first round pick
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Good young prospect with skill sets the Rangers are in better need of, late round pick
or
a couple good depth players
Machinehead
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The Rangers haven't been an elite team since 1994. Lundqvist dragged them kicking and screaming to the #1 seed last year.
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I'm not going argue whether we were an elite team or not last season but I will agree on MDZ part. He was very good last season. He's also not the only D-man that had a down season in 12/13. I'm looking at you Danny Girardi.
No way do I trade Girardi or MDZ unless I'm getting a pretty sweet return. While Girardi is my favourite Ranger I'd move him before MDZ.
The Rangers are going to start getting log jammed at D starting next season. It even gets further complicated if they sign a guy like Mark Streit.
Dan G or MDZ are the most likely guys to get moved. I think it all depends on how long the Rangers think their window is. If the window is fairly long for them, MDZ will probably stick around(with Dan G getting shopped). If they feel its shorter than that, then MDZ may go.
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Been overrated around here since day 1. Never liked his game. Still hilarious that some people around here thought he was better than Erik Karlsson.
Historically typical of Rangers and Ranger fans to trade someone with potential at their lowest point, get nothing in return, and bang their heads against the wall when the player flourishes elsewhere. The only time the Rangers made out in a trade like this was when the canadiens agreed to include McDonagh in the Gomez-Higgins trade.
Someone early in the thread also wanted to trade Girardi, which is insane. At some point you have to wonder why other team's talented youngsters can step right in and contribute and ours don't, why free agents come here and always seem to bust, and why we have a self congratulatory minor league system.
Ghost of jas
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Like many other young players, MDZ's stem from a lack of confidence. He's not the only Ranger to throw the puck around mindlessly, (everyone from Girardi to Hagelin to even the captain were guilty of that crime this year). But, when he's off, he is easily the worst offender. He's still only 22, and some of hs issues remain a product of youth. But, I reiterate...until the Staal situation clears up, I am not willing to part with MDZ.
But good defense can't change a game?
No it can't ,cause McD and Girardi and Stralman are also good defensively. Staal isn't elite and doesn't make NYR look like a diff team when he's in,they play no diff. Wy do ppl keep defending him like he's a God. He's a solid defensive d man,that's all. Just cause he was me of the first homegrown d man NYR had in years doesn't mean ppl have to blow him. Give me a break its ridiculous
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Del Zotto showed last year he can be an effective two-way dman with offense and an improved defensive game. He took a step back this year offensively but the team still finished 4th out of 30 in defense and were very good at limiting quality scoring chances.
Letang is still brutal on defense. So is Green. Byfuglien is horrendous defensively.
Del zotto may not be as gifted with the puck but he's still a durable and sound defender compared to his peers. He's going be always be a top-4 with 40-45 points. Oh by the way he's only 23.
There are 29 other GMs who would gladly take this so-called bust and play him 20 min a night for any of their teams.
He's not at fault for the PP. There's no scheme or philosophy being coached. The 88 Rangers set a then NHL record for PP goals in a season with Patrick, Maciver and Shaw running the points. Leetch missed the first five months of that season because of the Calgary Olympics.
Trading Del Zotto does zero for this organization with Staal being as durable as a peeled banana, Skjei being a few years away and Girardi with UFA status pending.
Let Jets and Mets and Icelander fans talk trades 12 months out of the year. This Ranger team is mediocre but theyre still a young core. The players and prospects are fine. The coach is a different story.
Letang is still brutal on defense. So is Green. Byfuglien is horrendous defensively.
Del zotto may not be as gifted with the puck but he's still a durable and sound defender compared to his peers. He's going be always be a top-4 with 40-45 points. Oh by the way he's only 23.
There are 29 other GMs who would gladly take this so-called bust and play him 20 min a night for any of their teams.
He's not at fault for the PP. There's no scheme or philosophy being coached. The 88 Rangers set a then NHL record for PP goals in a season with Patrick, Maciver and Shaw running the points. Leetch missed the first five months of that season because of the Calgary Olympics.
Trading Del Zotto does zero for this organization with Staal being as durable as a peeled banana, Skjei being a few years away and Girardi with UFA status pending.
Let Jets and Mets and Icelander fans talk trades 12 months out of the year. This Ranger team is mediocre but theyre still a young core. The players and prospects are fine. The coach is a different story.
Yup the past 2 seasons he's been out injured so I guess u can say he's NYRS BEST Dman. I see you lack some common sense,it's ok though
AlternateSideParking
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Del Zotto is a 50-60 point d-man with a coaching staff that stresses offense and a power play that shoots the puck.
Torts does neither.
Torts does neither.
Ty so much,lol..I been saying the same since day1. Staal is over rated. But was one of the more promisng home grown draft picks. So everyone has a soft spot for him. It's kind of weird
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