HF Habs: The Martin St Louis Thread

[Paradoxe]

Tankers we be feasting.

«Hello, can we have a talk about the Saint Tank, the lord of rebuild? It's a great year to rebuild, don't you think?»

Well, this was me a few years back. Now that we have a competitive group, I wouldn't mind a setback, but on the other hand, I wish to see that group win.

 

[Leto]

«Hello, can we have a talk about the Saint Tank, the lord of rebuild? It's a great year to rebuild, don't you think?»

Well, this was me a few years back. Now that we have a competitive group, I wouldn't mind a setback, but on the other hand, I wish to see that group win.

Indeed. While I think we over-performed this year, with legitimate work on the roster (namely the 2nd line and the right side of the defense) and natural growth from our young players we could take massive steps forward.

I am not too keen on remaining prisoner to the gravitational pull of the tank/misery for years on end.​

 

[teamfirst]

Too funny…only Habs fandom would whine incessantly about their coach who will be a Jack Adams nominee for coach of the year with a solid chance of winning it

Jack Adams doesn't mean much except that your team had relative succes during the year......never eard of the Jack Adams curse.

''42 of the 49 Jack Adams winners, a whopping 85.7 percent, saw a decline in their teams’ points percentages the very next year.''

''24 of 49, or 49.0 percent, were fired from their positions within three or fewer seasons of winning the Jack Adams, and 14, or 28.6 percent, lasted no more than two seasons. So more than a quarter of all Coach of the Year winners have been pink-slipped within two years of winning the award.''

Doesn't mean MSL deserve no credit for the Habs making the playoffs, it just mean that using the potential Jack Adams nomination is a lazy argument imo.

 

[morhilane]

I said all last summer Hutson will be PP1 QB by US Thanksgiving/ early Dec…. It didn’t take some genius to figure it out MSL has a good read when young players can take more ON

that was always the orgs plan, just as Demigod is being given time to adjust before he gets moved to PP1, just as the org is waiting for Guhle to get more experience as they transition more & more of Matheson’s TOI his way, unfortunately injury kept that from starting earlier

Most of you bit*h for the sake of bit*hing

We will never find out if you theory was correct, because it took Matheson's injury for Hutson to see PP1 and that despite it being evident for weeks that Hutson was the superior PP QB.

 

[morhilane]

Jack Adams doesn't mean much except that your team had relative succes during the year......never eard of the Jack Adams curse.

''42 of the 49 Jack Adams winners, a whopping 85.7 percent, saw a decline in their teams’ points percentages the very next year.''

''24 of 49, or 49.0 percent, were fired from their positions within three or fewer seasons of winning the Jack Adams, and 14, or 28.6 percent, lasted no more than two seasons. So more than a quarter of all Coach of the Year winners have been pink-slipped within two years of winning the award.''

Doesn't mean MSL deserve no credit for the Habs making the playoffs, it just mean that using the potential Jack Adams nomination is a lazy argument imo.

Yep, the Jack Adams is basically the "will get fired soon" awards.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

The rebuild is going according to plan , if anything it's going faster than planned in large part thanks to MSL and people are still freaking out on MSL.

Do you guys know it's very possible we don't make the playoffs next year and take a step back in the standings , I can't imagine how you guys will be crying on MSL even more than now. Will be a fun read.

Our second line C couldn't crack 30 points haha

 

[Theodore450]

Still Hate this guys D zone system.
Never gonna be serious with that kind of set up.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Hes not a good coach

You're not a good poster


(See how easy it is?)

 

[Bombshell11]

You're not a good poster


(See how easy it is?)

Sorry i don't,
Explain it to me like if was 5

 

[Bombshell11]

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You like losing?

 

[Paradoxe]

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THIS ^

 

[Paradoxe]

You like losing?

You like losing your temper about something you can't control?

 

[Paradoxe]

Sorry i don't,
Explain it to me like if was 5

You: «Boohooo»
Reality: You poopoo.

Am I close to your 5 year old level so you can finally understand how crappy your reactions are?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You like losing?

You like making takes with zero context?

 

[Bombshell11]

You like making takes with zero context?

Arber is apparently not playing tonight, he's doing extras with Pezetta.

I want to see Martin if he's got the courage and the smarts to pull a fast one and do this to confuse washington and the Refs

If he puts Laine back and Arber is scratched tonight then he's officially a dummy.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

If he puts Laine back and Arber is scratched tonight then he's officially a dummy.

As I've said to you before, you take zero time to think things through before posting. It's all emotions, zero restraint.

Think about it for a minute. This is a tight room. MSL isn't gonna bench Laine without input from his captain, to get a feel of the room over that decision. There's so much more that goes into his decisions than you might think. But hey, you're there on your armchair with your generational hawt takes, so you must see what he doesn't see, right. You're a genius, he's a dummy. Ffs.

Jackeye is a complicated decision too. While he might bring truculence, he also brings mediocre sheltered defense. It's a double edge sword.

 

[Bombshell11]

As I've said to you before, you take zero time to think things through before posting. It's all emotions, zero restraint.

Think about it for a minute. This is a tight room. MSL isn't gonna bench Laine without input from his captain, to get a feel of the room over that decision. There's so much more that goes into his decisions than you might think. But hey, you're there on your armchair with your generational hawt takes, so you must see what he doesn't see, right. You're a genius, he's a dummy. Ffs.

MSL is the first one to admit that he's learning on the job.

He knows he's making mistakes but he doesn't know how to fix them

 

[Miller Time]

MSL is the first one to admit that he's learning on the job.

Indeed. As all strong leaders do. We're lucky we have a coach with both humility and self awareness instead of another arrogant know-it-all

He knows he's making mistakes but he doesn't know how to fix them

Not so sure about this one...

I think they know they have limited options, that's the challenge of being the heavy underdog.

Making a mistake is very different than choosing an approach and accepting the risks associated with it.

 

[teamfirst]

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But but.......that's not the only reason

 

[teamfirst]

You like losing your temper about something you can't control?

Seems like you like to lose it too cuz it's obvious we can't control others opinion, just sayin.

 

[HabsAddict]

It’s a marathon, not a sprint. They’re looking at things long term with Hutson and how to develop him. Easing him in was the practical thing to do.

Hutson is going to win rookie of the year and we made the playoffs. You’re going to rip him because he got PP1 at 15 games instead of game 8?

Come on…

You’d rather him throw players under the bus?

Paul Maurice used to get made fun of regularly here. He’s got a mature tough team. Swap the coaches and the style of teams won’t change.

I said i don't want him to throw players under the bus...which he has.

I don't care what others have said about Maurice. He's a better coach the SMarty.

Hutson was outplaying Math on the PP from the start. Nothing to do with "easing" and everything to do with going in the same direction until the cliff is in view. Or Math getting hurt.

No one is stopping you from praying and cheering from your SMarty altar. Nor do i care if you don't like Smarty getting criticized.

 

[hvac412]

MSL is the first one to admit that he's learning on the job.

He knows he's making mistakes but he doesn't know how to fix them

A season ticket holders dream ….send in the clowns

 

[HabsAddict]

Still Hate this guys D zone system.
Never gonna be serious with that kind of set up.

It's suppose to be man-man and then zone below the circle. Except it doesn’t work when we play zone and the opposition skates around us in circles on the perimeter and we fall apart.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I said i don't want him to throw players under the bus...which he has.

You were criticizing him and said "things like not throwing players under a bus"... that sounds like you want him to throw players under the bus.

And what players has he thrown under a bus?

I don't care what others have said about Maurice. He's a better coach the SMarty.

Cool.

Show your work.

Hutson was outplaying Math on the PP from the start. Nothing to do with "easing" and everything to do with going in the same direction until the cliff is in view. Or Math getting hurt.

15 games is about right for putting in a guy like Hutson. He's not going to put him in on game one.

And honestly, if this is a major bone of contention for you I really don't know what to say. This is small potatoes.

No one is stopping you from praying and cheering from your SMarty altar. Nor do i care if you don't like Smarty getting criticized.

Please spare me this stupid 'praying at the altar' crap.

And if you want to criticize him, cool. Nobody is stopping you. But if you do, be prepared to be rebutted. You don't like it? Don't go on a message board.

As I said, fine to criticize him. I disagree with some of his decisions. That's ALWAYS going to be the case with any coach. But the "he's a freaking idiot" for putting Hutson in PP1 at game 15 is silly. And it's understandable why he's made the decisions he has even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

And you can't ignore the roster limitations here. Don't want him to play Savard? Okay, neither do I. But who does he put there? Is he supposed to put X and Struble in the same lineup? These guys are still developing and we're going to put one of them on their wrong side? I mean...

Look at how much our team improved when we got Carriere. All of a sudden we could at least defend sometimes. Was it MSL's fault that he wasn't in the lineup earlier? You can't just ignore the context of the situation and then blast the coach. If you're going to do that then you can expect your posts to get shredded. This isn't Therrien playing Desharnais as our number one or telling PK Subban to dump and chase... Those were clearly STUPID decisions. In this case MSL is doing things that I may not necessarily agree with but I can at least understand the rationale, esp considering how flawed our roster is right now.

 

[Paradoxe]

Seems like you like to lose it too cuz it's obvious we can't control others opinion, just sayin.

I'm chill, just laughing about those saying we can't control things and yet try to control the narrative, or even saying that our Habs' coach is a loser.