HF Habs: The Martin St Louis Thread

The roster is weak and he has them over-achieving. That’s good coaching.

We weren’t expected to win points at this pt%. I think it’s only fair and fine to support him seeing out the season at his leisure and with his judgements.

Next year will bring a different roster and different expectations and standards. I don’t like seeing vets get away with bad play either but this is a run to get into an unlikely wildcard spot, the time for accountability and tinkering was earlier.

I came to accept a long time ago that there will be no coach that I will fully agree with. I also accept that there are certain internal dynamics that none of us are privy to but that's the element of helplessness that we all have as fans.

With that being said, it's not time for the coach to leave simply because there are things done thay I don't agree with.

From a player pov, that time should come when the players no longer buy what he's selling, or the message has gotten too stale.

From a management point of view, that time comes when the results on the ice are not meeting their internal expectations.

I don't think he is in danger either from a player or management pov yet, and the rest is all white noise that comes with the job.
 
MSL loves Pezz

MSL hates X

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Considering SMarty barely had any penalties, his world is made of unicorn farts and Bunny Rabbits droppings.

Wilson, Duhaime and Dubois are going to dance on our heads. Let's get Guhle to fight them and hurt his shoulder or let ZERO talent Pezz punch them out with his face.

I don't think much about SMarty so here's his chance to prove me right.
 
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For anyone who wants to defend SMarty...

Please explain why he played NO talent, NO point Pezz over Heineman?

To me, that is low IQ, hard headed coaching and blindness to the obvious.

Because Heineman is still not healthy enough to play?

Even if he was healthy, imagine hating on a coach because of which 12th forward he decides to plays lmao
 
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Because Heineman is still not healthy enough to play?

Even if he was healthy, imagine hating on a coach because of which 12th forward he decides to plays lmao


Roy is not healthy either?

That 12th forward may give us that one lousy goal we lost from last time. Pezz gives us absolutely NOTHING. ZERO. He has a minor miracle of ZERO points in 25 games.

Sorry, SMarty didn't bring us where we are. Hutson and Suzuki got us here. In fact, without those two, Habs are a bottom 5 team...and SMarty will be as employable as Therrien.
 
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Roy is not healthy either?

That 12th forward may give us that one lousy goal we lost from last time. Pezz gives us absolutely NOTHING. ZERO. He has a minor miracle of ZERO points in 25 games.

Sorry, SMarty didn't bring us where we are. Hutson and Suzuki got us here. In fact, without those two, Habs are a bottom 5 team...and SMarty will be as employable as Therrien.

Ah yes, Marty should totally be fired for playing Pezzetta — the guy with zero points in 25 games — instead of Emil "superstar" Heineman who, checks notes, has managed 0 goal and 1 assist in his last 24.

Clearly, this is what’s holding the Habs back. They’d have clinched the Presidents' trophy months ago if not for Marty’s galaxy-brain decisions.
 
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Because Heineman is still not healthy enough to play?

Even if he was healthy, imagine hating on a coach because of which 12th forward he decides to plays lmao

Well for me the mistake is not now (who knows if Heinemann is 100% healthy or not) it is over the course of the Season : by not playing Pezzeta at all or players from Laval (Roy Beck) and essentially playing 11F a lot of nights, several players are completely exhausted. At this stage you could use a guy like Dauphin Barret Boulet ... but you need to play them.
 
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Ah yes, Marty should totally be fired for playing Pezzetta — the guy with zero points in 25 games — instead of Emil "superstar" Heineman who, checks notes, has managed 0 goal and 1 assist in his last 24.

Clearly, this is what’s holding the Habs back. They’d have clinched the Presidents' trophy months ago if not for Marty’s galaxy-brain decisions.
I don't think anybody is saying this. The World is not black or white : it is not MSL greatest coach vs worst coach in the universe.
In terms of numbers the Habs have landed where they should be :80-90 points and that is to MSL s credit. In terms of quality of play they have been disappointing a lot of nights and saved by their goalies Hutson and Suzuki, while their performance as a team has been subpar which is something MSL is responsible for.
 
If Habs miss playoffs going to be a lot of question marks on Marty
Like what? We were supposed to finish last in the east and would finish 9th. Marty, you only overshot expectations by 7 spots and missed the playoffs by one point/tied, why are you so shit? We wanted the dark side of the moon and you only gave us the light side.
 
For anyone who wants to defend SMarty...

Please explain why he played NO talent, NO point Pezz over Heineman?

To me, that is low IQ, hard headed coaching and blindness to the obvious.
Heineken is likely recovering from an injury , I think it’s a concussion from the hit last game he played
 
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If Habs miss playoffs going to be a lot of question marks on Marty
MSL is like the team, he is evolving....developing. As others have said, developing is not always linear.
He deserves a lot of credit at times..........and he deserves some of the heat at times........the team and MSL are in the mix.

I don't like his decisions at times, but for the most part, he has done a good job. That said, he needs to review his timeout philosophy. That, would be a nice start.
 
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Ah yes, Marty should totally be fired for playing Pezzetta — the guy with zero points in 25 games — instead of Emil "superstar" Heineman who, checks notes, has managed 0 goal and 1 assist in his last 24.

Clearly, this is what’s holding the Habs back. They’d have clinched the Presidents' trophy months ago if not for Marty’s galaxy-brain decisions.
Okay, what about Roy then?

What about the 4 games in a row with a total of 20 shots on net in the first forty? Not on MSL? So we attribute to him success but not failures?
 
Be quite the collapse
We're 6-3-1 in our last 10. That's not a collapse. Even finishing 0-2 wouldn't be a collapse because we still would have 6 wins in our last 10. Check the standings one month ago, two months ago. The east has been extremely tight all season. Two months ago we were 6 points out. One month ago we were 1 point out, behind Columbus. If Columbus came back to knock us out with 1 point it would literally be playing even because they've been ahead of us nearly the entire season. Go back three months even we're two points out. Who is in WC2 in all three, or one point out, of those snapshots? Columbus.

People act like we didn't magically jump into WC2 after a massive game win streak 70 games into the year. Columbus has been on and off passing us every few days since then too. We created separation literally less than two weeks ago by winning six in a row. Columbus had a losing streak and got some players back from injury. They have a better goal differential than us. They've been more consistent all year while we've been prone to swings up and down. They've got a better forward group. Arguably an equal d group but I like the potential of ours better. Monty is straight up the difference in points between our teams. As much as people rag on him Monty's 7th in the league for goals saved above expected. Merzlekins is 89th (only 100 goalies played this year), just a few spots above Cayden Primeau. Swap goalies and Columbus knock New Jersey out of the playoffs.

I don't want to miss the playoffs but let's not pretend our team isn't overperforming on the backs of three players instead of chipping out wins from a balanced roster.
 
If Habs miss playoffs going to be a lot of question marks on Marty

There's always gonna be question marks about any coaches, i was one of the more vocal against MSL in the past but at a certain point you have to look at the result......this season is a complete succes since December and missing the playoffs (but they wont miss it) would not change that for me.

Of course if they start next season the same way they started it this season than it would be another story.
 
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We're 6-3-1 in our last 10. That's not a collapse. Even finishing 0-2 wouldn't be a collapse because we still would have 6 wins in our last 10. Check the standings one month ago, two months ago. The east has been extremely tight all season. Two months ago we were 6 points out. One month ago we were 1 point out, behind Columbus. If Columbus came back to knock us out with 1 point it would literally be playing even because they've been ahead of us nearly the entire season. Go back three months even we're two points out. Who is in WC2 in all three, or one point out, of those snapshots? Columbus.

People act like we didn't magically jump into WC2 after a massive game win streak 70 games into the year. Columbus has been on and off passing us every few days since then too. We created separation literally less than two weeks ago by winning six in a row. Columbus had a losing streak and got some players back from injury. They have a better goal differential than us. They've been more consistent all year while we've been prone to swings up and down. They've got a better forward group. Arguably an equal d group but I like the potential of ours better. Monty is straight up the difference in points between our teams. As much as people rag on him Monty's 7th in the league for goals saved above expected. Merzlekins is 89th (only 100 goalies played this year), just a few spots above Cayden Primeau. Swap goalies and Columbus knock New Jersey out of the playoffs.

I don't want to miss the playoffs but let's not pretend our team isn't overperforming on the backs of three players instead of chipping out wins from a balanced roster.
So you agree that MSL isnt the reason were there?
 
So you agree that MSL isnt the reason were there?

Yes, this team has been run on auto pilot the whole season without any input from Marty. He had nothing to do with keeping this team together when they could have crumbled after the terrible start.

The resilience growth and culture of this team was just an organic phenomenon without any external forces nurturing it, a true miracle of nature.

The development of the players carrying this squad also has nothing to do with their success. It's all been just preordained by God himself,

Marty is so fortunate to be getting any semblance of credit whatsoever. Some guys have all the luck, just the right place at the right time I guess.

Imagine being gifted such an amazing roster without injury or adversity or even holes in it, and getting to ride coattails into the playoffs and take credit for it? Especially one as deep and experienced as this one.

You've won me over, fire Marty!
 
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