The Martin St Louis Thread

[le_sean]

You don't beleive he could improve in the next 2 years?
Do you think he have a good nhl roster to work with?

I don’t think the NHL is a development league for head coaches. That’s what being an assistant or the AHL is for.

 

[RationalExpectations]

The team has improved every year. And we were improving by leaps and bounds before injuries started up.

We knew the team would be inconsistent and that’s what they’ve been.


Yes.

This team is being outshot and destroyed most games. They had one lucky 10 game streak. MIN destroys them without Brodin Kaprizov as an example. Hard to argue losing Heineman and Guhle has a bigger impact than Brodin Kaprizov.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This team is being outshot and destroyed most games. They had one lucky 10 game streak.

There’s nothing lucky about beating the best teams in the league for a sustained period of time.

Don’t go there, I’m not having it. That’s bullshit.

MIN destroys them without Brodin Kaprizov as an example. Hard to argue losing Heineman and Guhle has a bigger impact than Brodin Kaprizov.

The Canadiens have zero depth. We knew this going in. The moment we ran into injuries we sunk. The roster is still a work in progress. The coach is not a problem.

 

[RationalExpectations]

There’s nothing lucky about beating the best teams in the league for a sustained period of time.

Don’t go there, I’m not having it. That’s bullshit.

The Canadiens have zero depth. We knew this going in. The moment we ran into injuries we sunk. The roster is still a work in progress. The coach is not a problem.

82 games is a Long season, even TBL and FLA will have Bad Streaks, habs were just good enough to take advantage of it. What a more realistic, that 12 games is a fluke or 70 games is a fluke .

The roster is still a work in progress. The coach is not a problem.

A) Both can be a problem and B) yes for sure MSL is a Hall of Famer so he is of course the best coach in the league… (Gretzky says hi!)

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

82 games is a Long season, even TBL and FLA will have Bad Streaks, habs were just good enough to take advantage of it. What a more realistic, that 12 games is a fluke or 70 games is a fluke .

What’s realistic is that we’re an inconsistent rebuilding club. I said we’d be consistently inconsistent and that’s exactly what we’ve been.

We also have zero depth. Heineman was pacing for about 20 goals alwgen he went down. He was helping Evans score - also pacing for 20. That gave us another line that could score. Dach got healthy.. that helped. We got Carroer, that meant Guhle could go to his normal side.

Now Heineman is gone. Evans isn’t scoring anymore. Guhle is gone and out D is a mess again…

We’re not there yet. We don’t have the depth to handle injuries. Reinbacher is coming. Demidov is coming… but in the meantime we don’t have a lineup that can handle losing players. We’re just not deep enough.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

This team is being outshot and destroyed most games. They had one lucky 10 game streak. MIN destroys them without Brodin Kaprizov as an example. Hard to argue losing Heineman and Guhle has a bigger impact than Brodin Kaprizov.

CH Habs rely on every player. They don't have depth as other teams to compare. Habs have 6 borderline legit nhl players on his roster if not more. They graduated from ahl a year ago, one was wrapping bags in a Cosco 3 years ago and the immoveable vets (denver clugs) overpaid underperforming. So if by miracle a new player like Heineman does good and gets injured, that's your good 4th line you have to forget. Heineman and Ghule were two good player in a team that doesn't have that many. Ghule was our #1 D ahead of Matheson and Hutson. Or equal with Hutson and Carrier. Ghule was one of the top 4 Ds.

 

[RationalExpectations]

CH Habs rely on every player. They don't have depth as other teams to compare. Habs have 6 borderline legit nhl players on his roster if not more. They graduated from ahl a year ago, one was wrapping bags in a Cosco 3 years ago and the immoveable vets (denver clugs) overpaid underperforming. So if by miracle a new player like Heineman does good and gets injured, that's your good 4th line you have to forget. Heineman and Ghule were two good player in a team that doesn't have that many. Ghule was our #1 D ahead of Matheson and Hutson. Or equal with Hutson and Carrier. Ghule was one of the top 4 Ds.

Have you looked at MIN roster ? Tell me about lacking depth and Talent. Gaudreau is currently their second line Center.

 

[GHJimmy]

There's areas where he does good, there's grey areas also he doesn't seem to explore for his players, their ability to be a type of power forward, defense, center.
I feel like MSL mostly fitted with Caufield and suzuki, the rest he doesn't know what to do.

This is where I wished they hired experienced coaches and assistant coaches, that can see things what MSL can't cause it's getting ridiculous at this point.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Have you looked at MIN roster ? Tell me about lacking depth and Talent. Gaudreau is currently their second line Center.

They are a veteran team. We are the 2nd youngest team in the league and we’re actually going to get younger.

 

[RationalExpectations]

They are a veteran team. We are the 2nd youngest team in the league and we’re actually going to get younger.

Dvorak Armia Evans Anderson Gallagher are all veterans if you are going that direction. Not sure many people would say Gaudreau Hinistroza Trenin … are better than them.

This youth argument does not work when 5 of your top 6 players are in their D+6 or older.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Dvorak Armia Evans Anderson Gallagher are all veterans if you are going that direction.

2nd youngest team in the league. Our worst players are the oldest.

Does this really need to be explained? What do you think MSL should be getting out of Dvorak? How much do you think he’ll garner at the deadline?

Not sure many people would say Gaudreau Hinistroza Trenin … are better than them.

This youth argument does not work when 5 of your top 6 players are in their D+6 or older.

Do you think this is the best Slaf will ever be? Do you think this is the best we’ve seen from Hutson or Guhle?

They are still very young. Still developing… you are comparing apples to oranges.

 

[BLONG7]

2nd youngest team in the league. Our worst players are the oldest.

Does this really need to be explained? What do you think MSL should be getting out of Dvorak? How much do you think he’ll garner at the deadline?

Do you think this is the best Slaf will ever be? Do you think this is the best we’ve seen from Hutson or Guhle?

They are still very young. Still developing… you are comparing apples to oranges.

The team is still very much developing.............as is the coach, but there are times, you have to really look at Marty's decisions, and questioning them, is fair game.
I like him as our coach, but I don't like his favour-tism for some, his standards are not the same for all......frustrating at times.

Internally next season, he will be gifted, Demidov, Reinbacker, and Beck and maybe an UFA and we lose Dvo, Evans, and Saavvy, and maybe Armia.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I don’t think the NHL is a development league for head coaches. That’s what being an assistant or the AHL is for.

It's not the time yet to push for more small victories here and there, it's tank time and losing is perfect in the situation now with the very next draft. If we're not going for PO spot, why not losing solide man and collect better picks?

 

[BLONG7]

It's not the time yet to push for more small victories here and there, it's tank time and losing is perfect in the situation now with the very next draft. If we're not going for PO spot, why not losing solide man and collect better picks?

The organization felt the tanking was done............and a few of the young vets did too.
Not so sure they will pull the plug.
The results recently indicate they maybe should, but they have 6 games before the deadline, what if they rebound and win 4-5 games?
It's a slippery slope for the guys...

 

[Rapala]

The organization felt the tanking was done............and a few of the young vets did too.
Not so sure they will pull the plug.
The results recently indicate they maybe should, but they have 6 games before the deadline, what if they rebound and win 4-5 games?
It's a slippery slope for the guys...

Not really if you look at the schedule we have 3 games at the end of this month and 3 games before TDL in March.

I'm not even sure 6-0 could prevent the sell off. I mean that would have Hughes holding out to the very last second. He's not in a position where he can pass on an offer if his price is met.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The team is still very much developing.............as is the coach, but there are times, you have to really look at Marty's decisions, and questioning them, is fair game.
I like him as our coach, but I don't like his favour-tism for some, his standards are not the same for all......frustrating at times.

Internally next season, he will be gifted, Demidov, Reinbacker, and Beck and maybe an UFA and we lose Dvo, Evans, and Saavvy, and maybe Armia.

By all means question the coach. Criticize his moves.

I just think a lot of posters’ knee jerk reaction whenever we lose a few games is to blame the coach.

Every coach can be criticized. Every coach gets things wrong. But there’s a difference between constructive criticism and an auto-fire mentality every time we go on a losing streak.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

The organization felt the tanking was done............and a few of the young vets did too.
Not so sure they will pull the plug.
The results recently indicate they maybe should, but they have 6 games before the deadline, what if they rebound and win 4-5 games?
It's a slippery slope for the guys...

The coaching can be improve in the next 2 years. Have to find a strategy/system genious that will help MSL in the background. An assistant not behind the bench but with the earphone.. Marty will improvce by himself, most important is he developp each new young player one by one. He's that kind of coach. If in 2 years direction thinks he doesn't have it or he lose his room, they can hire someone else. 2 more years to be patient. MSL is good to face the medias, victory or defeat, he doesn't seem intimidated.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

By all means question the coach. Criticize his moves.

I just think a lot of posters’ knee jerk reaction whenever we lose a few games is to blame the coach.

Every coach can be criticized. Every coach gets things wrong. But there’s a difference between constructive criticism and an auto-fire mentality every time we go on a losing streak.

...honestly, amigo, do you see any Structure whatsoever in his coaching??...even when we were on the Heater and winning games, it was too much Pond Hockey play...I like Marty, think he's been a great Power of Positivity guy behind the bench acclimating all these kids into the NHL...and now, imo, it's time to stop coddling and start teaching them to play a 200 ft NHL game; a much more Structured, hard-nosed approach to teach them to have consistant success in the greatest League in the World...I haven't seen that approach from Marty; maybe he can grow to be that coach, but he isn't right now...