The Martin St Louis Thread

[puckeater]

NeitherTocchet nor Brindamour were superstars.

 

[le_sean]

NeitherTocchet nor Brindamour were superstars.

I’d say Brind’Amour and St. Louis had fairly equal careers. Where Marty was twice the top offensive player in the league, Rod was twice the best defensive player in the league.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Why isn’t Newhook centering Armia and Gally? They were pretty good together last year.

The more I see from this team the more I am leaning towards MSL being completely out of his league. Get his an experienced assistant, it doesn’t need to be Julien/Therien/Vigneault. There are tons of good coaches and assistants out there. Get one for Marty.

 

[sampollock]

Thanks

 

[1909]

Why isn’t Newhook centering Armia and Gally? They were pretty good together last year.

The more I see from this team the more I am leaning towards MSL being completely out of his league. Get his an experienced assistant, it doesn’t need to be Julien/Therien/Vigneault. There are tons of good coaches and assistants out there. Get one for Marty.

Right on.

Why do they try to re-invent the wheel every year ?

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Yes it makes sense that both teams have the same systems and concepts. It should make the transition easier.

Except our NHL team has no system or concepts haha. It’s a long season folks, lots of time for Marty to figure it out.

Right on.

Why do they try to re-invent the wheel every year ?

I dunno, to show how smart they are?

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I think once Laine is back things will get better.

 

[HabsAddict]

Lets be real here...

Does AMYONE think SmartyMarty would have a head coach job if it were not for the French speaking issue?

 

[Tyson]

NeitherTocchet nor Brindamour were superstars.

Agreed but they were a rare breed of former players who are somewhat successful coaches.

 

[Habs Icing]

I think once Laine is back things will get better.

You think Laine will explain to MSL how to coach?

 

[Guess]

Edit: Notice someone posted about the players needing to have bad habits fixed when sent down to AHL.

Looks like MSL really needs an experienced assistant coach with him.

 

[Paddyjack]

Are there any former superstar players who became great coaches?

The real question is: are there any players who became great coaches without any coaching expeirence at lower levels....?

Jacques Lemaire maybe?

 

[Skip Bayless]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853520236810731660

 

[Shred]

The real question is: are there any players who became great coaches without any coaching expeirence at lower levels....?

Jacques Lemaire maybe?

Lemaire left Montreal after a >PPG season, 23 points in 16 playoff games during the Dynasty run to become player coach in Switzerland for 2 years. Then coached 1 year in NCAA and 1 year in the Q before becoming assistant coach for the Habs. Apparently he didn’t want the head coach title but Serge Savard forced him to take it.

 

[HuGort]

I don't think we know that answer yet because our team has too much youth. This is not all on MSL.



Think about how MSL didn't want us to trade Monahan and now think about how a player like that is missing on our roster? I do think MSL has a huge challenge on his hands but this is not all on him. This rebuilding roster looks good but it's for the future. Rebuilds are painful when you don't hit on star after star. Takes years to grow and get them in their prime. Look at how long it took the Oilers and they have two of the best players in the NHL. How many coaches did they blame along the way?

Some of this is Hughes fault. Too many young D at same time. Keep your best 3, bring in 3 vets to tudor them. Habs gain now and into future. That's old time hockey back in Pollock era. Young players learned from quality veterans. Wasn't so many of these speciality coaches. Only makes sense, three veterans more knowledge than one assistant coach.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

The real question is: are there any players who became great coaches without any coaching expeirence at lower levels....?

Jacques Lemaire maybe?

The fact Lemaire was a 200 feet player and had high IQ on the ice helped him a lot. It's not like he was gifted with tons of skills and relyed only on that. The other part of the job is teaching it. There is a third part of the job he hated, it was having to speak to the medias.

 

[Tyson]

The fact Lemaire was a 200 feet player and had high IQ on the ice helped him a lot. It's not like he was gifted with tons of skills and relyed only on that. The other part of the job is teaching it. There is a third part of the job he hated, it was having to speak to the medias.

An argument can be made that Lemaire and Toe Blake along with maybe Al Albour are the best coaches to ever come from the player ranks.

 

[Mrb1p]

Some of this is Hughes fault. Too many young D at same time. Keep your best 3, bring in 3 vets to tudor them. Habs gain now and into future. That's old time hockey back in Pollock era. Young players learned from quality veterans. Wasn't so many of these speciality coaches. Only makes sense, three veterans more knowledge than one assistant coach.

The same goes for forwards. There's vets but they're all terrible and marginal/losers. No Perry's, no winners, no Markovs, no quality.

Instead of learning from HOFers the kids are stuck learning from Gallagher, Anderson and Matheson. What a failure.

 

[HabsAddict]

The same goes for forwards. There's vets but they're all terrible and marginal/losers. No Perry's, no winners, no Markovs, no quality.

Instead of learning from HOFers the kids are stuck learning from Gallagher, Anderson and Matheson. What a failure.

That is a huge difference for lower quality players.

Back in the day, Pierre Bouchard, equal to a Tinordi, who had no business being on the Habs super team. But he had (i think) Harper, Laperriere and a few other partners that helped him develop into a useful player.

Who do we have now? At least even a few years back we had Markov or Weber.

Then we have a coach who wants to teach a position he never mastered.

Why wonder why we have defensive problems when it's so OBVIOUS?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

PiCK aNOThER hOBBY.

He's absolutely right. Unless you're 13 there's no reason to be that emotionally invested.

 

[LaP]

NeitherTocchet nor Brindamour were superstars.

Superstars no. But players you want in your top 6 to win a cup absolutely 200%.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Thanks

He first said that was his opinion and he asked his friends if they were agree and they agreed. He also said usually they don't talk a lot about the Canadiens.

 

[Mrb1p]

He's absolutely right. Unless you're 13 there's no reason to be that emotionally invested.

But how about being so emotionally invested into how I'm emotionally invested though? That's crazy.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

But how about being so emotionally invested into how I'm emotionally invested though? That's crazy.

I'm not seeing any of that. People just seem to think you're a strange guy.

 

[habbubba]

This team currently is simply terrible, collectively worse than the last season and that was a season when they were tanking, pitiful. Usually teams improve when they have their core players but sure doesn't look it. Is it the coaching? one way to find out is replace the coach, if they still are the same, then it is on the players. Coaches are hired to be fired and easier to get a new coach than turn over the roster.