You must find a lot of things ridiculous if you think that considering bringing a 24 year old Kane here for a moment is ridiculous.
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You must find a lot of things ridiculous if you think that considering bringing a 24 year old Kane here for a moment is ridiculous.
AwesomeInTheory
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I don't disagree. I just think that the 'Benning is a puppet! He can't do anything he truly wants!' argument is silly and is a means to take accountability away from him.
Agreed. Most would agree that Aquaman is more likely than not a petulant insecure child who wants to dig his claws into many part of the team's management, but saying Benning is absolved of any and all responsibilities, is giving him a blank check to screw up as much as possible with no accountability.
He was a headcase then, and he's a headcase now. So yeah, ridiculous. Don't want headcases on the team.
That's your subjective desire and I don't disagree with that at all. But it's one thing to not want potential headcases on the team, it's another to call it ridiculous to even consider about it for a moment.
Killer Orcas
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Puppet or not he's clueless regarding a plan and cap management. I'd be terrified to know if he had carte blanche at his disposal.
These infamous pics were taken in 2014. He was 24 5~ years ago.
And? How else is he going to call Money Mayweather? Nothing wrong with adding some weight when doing in-room pushups. You must have not seen people trying to work out in their hotel room during quarantine.
What isn't going to work on you? Humour? Seriously, it's nothing personal. You obviously don't like Kane and that's fine.
I think a genuine discussion can be had as to whether hockey players should express themselves more and whether the NHL should promote it. Certainly NHL players are less outspoken than NBA and NFL players and the NHL has also done a poorer job of promoting its players.
I think there's also a genuine discussion to be had as to whether there are racist undertones to disliking the "flashiness" that a PK Subban and Kane (with his money phone) exhibited. I mean what is genuinely wrong with taking a photo of himself with a stack of $100USD bills? You obviously think it's a problem since you posted those photos but how is that an example of a headcase or bad behaviour as far as being a teammate is concerned?
A World Series of Poker Champion posing in front of stacks of $100 bills in Vegas is fine but an athlete making millions posing with $100 bills in Vegas is not?
Fatass
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Our owner clearly is overly involved in Hockey operations. So what does this make Benning? He’s either in agreement with the owners desires, which makes him a moron at being a GM, or he disagrees, but goes along anyway to keep his job, which makes him weak of character. In both circumstances he’s awful for the job, and that’s proven in the results.
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Yep, this I agree with as well. Either Benning is too spineless to tell the owners to back off and let him do his job, or he's an equally incompetent baffoon.
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what is "genuinely wrong with that"? oh i don't know. maybe check the current state of kane's bank account and personal life . the guy lived up to the jackass photo and here we are. he's broke, addictaed to gambling, with ahistory of abusive run ins with women, in a broken toxic relationship with his wife, and has a young daughter who will pay the price.
he's a walking billboard for what is wrong with that.
AwesomeInTheory
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There is probably an argument to be made regarding double standards. But, in the instance of Kane, dude has a long track record of really dumb decisions and generally being unprofessional. Like, this isn't a case of Dustin Byfuglien wearing colorful suits or whatever.
The OBC doesn't really like things that are out of the norm. See the whole video game/Fortnite (I think it was?) fiasco that the Canucks had a couple of seasons ago.
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The money phone pic was taken during the lockout, he picked the worst time for it.
Reverend Mayhem
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And in the same breath praise him for the moves he makes. So, is he not running the ops or running them?
Samzilla
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Indeed. Aqua says "I want to win a stanley cup but I never want to rebuild."
Jim tells him "I'm a master scout. I can draft an NHL player with every draft pick so we only need a few and we can trade the rest to fill in our age gap. You win with players aged 24-34. This strategy means we'll never have to rebuild. I can't watch losing hockey, I just can't. I'm not a patient man."
A true symbiosis of two minds.
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Also funny how others will make fun of Chiarelli and meme the man to death, conveniently forgetting who was under his tutelage.
AwesomeInTheory
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I think it goes a little deeper than that.
Like I've said elsewhere, I don't think that FA is bugging Benning to get Linden Vey (or whoever) but I do think that he and Benning are working together to target 'name' players (like OEL, for example.)
Whatever approach it is they're taking to team building, they're both in agreement with things. I think it goes beyond ownership dictating terms to Benning, who has to oblige and scramble to meet ownership's demands. That it isn't working can be chalked up to them having a good relationship and perhaps thinking things like "but Gillis, but Covid, but Linden, but Saturn in the house of Aquarius, but the sun was in our eyes, but injuries, but schedule, etc." and not a fault in process or approach.
That Benning is being given the opportunity to basically get a do over and has been here going on 8 years is also indicative of that.
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I listened to the interview with Benning on Donny and Dhali last month. He said he had no idea where the Nate Schmidt wanting out came from and it’s unequivocally untrue.
It was of course true.
lied about Peterson injury day to day (was season ending)
Any reporter gonna have the nuts to ask him about his straight up lying to the fans over and over and over ?
It was of course true.
lied about Peterson injury day to day (was season ending)
Any reporter gonna have the nuts to ask him about his straight up lying to the fans over and over and over ?
AwesomeInTheory
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Eh. I don't expect Benning to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth when dealing with the media. Him issuing a categorical denial on the issue with Schmidt might have been an attempt to give himself some bargaining power. Knowing that Benning had a player who was wanting to be out vs. looking to move a player due to cap hit or whatever looks a little bit better.
Where it devolves into the farcical is when at his presser he is completely caught off-guard when asked about it again, going so far as to state he doesn't understand the question (to be fair, it was fumbled slightly in delivery and Benning might not have heard it properly), but then goes on to waffle about the situation and makes a really weird case about how management was in contact with Schmidt's agent 3-4 times a day for the past couple of weeks but never once spoke to the player directly before further elaborating that it is Schmidt's agent's job to communicate with him.
While that may be true, the notion that you're talking to a guy's agent multiple times a day over a period of several weeks without once communicating with the actual player (particularly if, as Benning characterized it, management were the ones who had made the decision to move Schmidt), it sort of demands the question as to why you're in contact with him 3-4 times a day over a period of several weeks.
Like, if you're going to lie. Lie competently.
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DS7
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I think of them in degrees. You can go scorched earth like Buffalo which they are still paying for today. Or one where you can retain your veteran leadership like Chicago and LA.
Just curious bc whenever I found myself in a discussion for a rebuild back in say 2016-18, some pro playoff folks automatically assume we meant scorched earth. That's just not the case.
We’ve made such an effort curating a team of good people who I generally want to cheer for and see succeed (minus Shotgun of course) but otherwise I’ve thought we did quite well.
Bringing on someone like Kane could destroy all our efforts here for the last 6 years. Don’t want any part of him. Yes, innocent until proven guilty, but in this case there’s a forest of smoke, and where there’s smoke, there’s a forest fire.
Bringing on someone like Kane could destroy all our efforts here for the last 6 years. Don’t want any part of him. Yes, innocent until proven guilty, but in this case there’s a forest of smoke, and where there’s smoke, there’s a forest fire.
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