The Management Thread | Live, Play, Repeat Edition

Status
Not open for further replies.

VanillaCoke

Registered User
Oct 30, 2013
26,237
12,929
What. The. f***.

What do you mean you ran out of time?!?!

Also you had to move out money because of multiple of your own stupid ass contracts.

Also, you could have moved Virtanen for assets and signed Toffoli really quite easily.

Also, you paid alot for 12 games of him remember?!

This guy is a complete f***ing dumb idiot.
 

canucksfan

Registered User
Mar 16, 2002
44,742
10,446
British Columbia
Visit site
Eric Crawford.

And Brackett absolutely was squeezed out. He was phased out of the Canucks draft prep by having his power taken away from him because Benning and Weisbrod felt they’re better at the job than Brackett.

What is very concerning is he hasn’t been replaced.

Nucks don't have a scouting director at all?
 

SeawaterOnIce

Bald is back in style.
Sponsor
Aug 28, 2011
18,019
22,779
What. The. f***.

What do you mean you ran out of time?!?!

Also you had to move out money because of multiple of your own stupid ass contracts.

Also, you could have moved Virtanen for assets and signed Toffoli really quite easily.

Also, you paid alot for 12 games of him remember?!

This guy is a complete f***ing dumb idiot.

The guy just seems to be full of excuses and never self-evaluates or attempts to better any wrong-doings. He seems absolutely incapable to take any accountability. Dragging his family into the extension talks in 2019 seemed so wrong as well.

Jim Benning is Gilbert Gunderson from the Simpsons. A guy full of excuses and always wanting sympathy and attributing his shortfalls to bad luck.

Jim Benning didn't run out of time. Jim Benning placed himself in a corner and signed bad contracts preventing himself from bettering the team.
 

canucksfan

Registered User
Mar 16, 2002
44,742
10,446
British Columbia
Visit site
What. The. f***.

What do you mean you ran out of time?!?!

Also you had to move out money because of multiple of your own stupid ass contracts.

Also, you could have moved Virtanen for assets and signed Toffoli really quite easily.

Also, you paid alot for 12 games of him remember?!

This guy is a complete f***ing dumb idiot.

One thing that drives me nuts about Benning, he always makes excuses. Never owns up to his mistakes.
 

mathonwy

Positively #toxic
Jan 21, 2008
19,440
10,423
Benning was hired to be exactly the way he is.

Linden saw and gtfo dodge.

So did other managers.
 

valkynax

The LEEDAR
Sponsor
May 19, 2011
11,123
12,637
Burnaby


Why is the media/pr team letting Benning comment about the Toffoli situation and effectively admitting incompetency?

How do you run out of time when he signed on day 3 of free agency and you had the exclusive negotiating rights for multiple weeks (edit: 7 months)?


"we would have had to move money out."

You would've had to move money out? Oh that's totally brand new information that nobody saw coming at all.

I mean who would've known right? WHO?????
 

Canucker

Go Hawks!
Oct 5, 2002
25,732
4,937
Oak Point, Texas
Nucks don't have a scouting director at all?

Brett Henning is the "Professional Scouting Director"....not sure if that just applies to Pro scouting or both pro and amateur scouting? Either way, other than being Lorne Henning's son I'm not sure what his qualifications are...i don't see anything on their site that shows a Director of Amateur Scouting...just Ron Delorme...ugh.
 
  • Like
Reactions: y2kcanucks

LordBacon

CEO of sh*tposting
Sponsor
Oct 31, 2017
9,176
12,060
Hong Kong
I get it now guys.

Benning predicted the whole Canadian division thing,

So he lets Marky and tanman go to Calgary
Deliberately mess up the toffoli extension for 7 months just to piss him off and get him to sign in Montreal
Lose Malholtra to Toronto
Keeps the same useless coaching staff even though Gallant who’s a clear upgrade is available.

We get absolutely f***ed this season,
free fall down the standings
get a top 4 draft pick this year which is packed with good d prospects.

Let Brackett go because he was a Gillis guy,
and finally have a draft where no one would meddle with his draft choices.

We then proceed to have the best draft in Canucks history and completely restock our prospect pool.

All part of his master plan to turn this team around in a hurry.
We will be contender by the time Bo horvat retires and our next wave of prospect comes in.

Just wait and see
 
  • Like
Reactions: mriswith

mathonwy

Positively #toxic
Jan 21, 2008
19,440
10,423
Linden helped hire the clown....he's got some ownership in this.
Red herring.

Linden doesn't know anything about hockey ops and was just another pretty face for the Aquilinis to use.

He was saying the dumbest shit to one of the smartest fanbase and was dumb enough to think he could get away with it.

Those townhall meetings talking about Sbisa's cap hit were HILARIOUS.

Trev bailed and I got a #16 jersey so I forgive him this time around.
 

Canucker

Go Hawks!
Oct 5, 2002
25,732
4,937
Oak Point, Texas
Red herring.

Linden doesn't know anything about hockey ops and was just another pretty face for the Aquilinis to use.

He was saying the dumbest shit to one of the smartest fanbase and was dumb enough to think he could get away with it.

Those townhall meetings talking about Sbisa's cap hit were HILARIOUS.

Trev bailed and I got a #16 jersey so I forgive him this time around.

"There were moments of clarity for me in speaking with Jim that we just really connected on a hockey level," Linden told the Canucks website. "Our beliefs on how success is built in the National Hockey League were very aligned."

You can forgive him, but it doesn't mean he wasn't heavily involved with his hire.
 

mriswith

Registered User
Oct 12, 2011
4,491
8,165
That draft was on another level, imo. The whole first round was full of stars and the second round was no joke either. Kesler was a great pick too and Burke should get credit for it. He could have drafted Pouliot.

I think my point stands that Benning was a competent drafter regardless of what one thinks about every other part of his performance as GM.
2015 looks like it will be pretty close to on the same level as 2003 as more time goes on.

For your general point, I think the drafting was just as bad as the previous regime until the 2017 draft.

I omit 2014 from the analysis because there's so many confounding factors - according to the rumours, ownership wanted Virtanen and forced that pick, scouts wanted Pastrnak over McCann and got overruled by Benning, Demko and Tryamkin appear to be policy change picks, etc, it's a mess. Since Benning was hired in May, one month before the draft, when the draft is a year long process, it makes sense to me to omit 2014 because correct attribution is impossible and the rumours are as negative as they are positive.

2015 and 2016 were not noticeably better drafts than the previous regime. Since 2017 it looks improved.

Coincidentally the 2017 improved drafting timeline lines up with Brackett's promotion to scouting director... and Benning was overruled on the Pettersson pick.

Boston's drafting with Benning as AGM was also horrific for his entire tenure.

Personally, I give Benning credit for improving the drafting since 2017 due to Benning promoting Brackett, who I believe was the driving force behind our better drafting from 2017 onwards. I think GM's should always get full credit for the people they hire and promote when those people do good jobs. I don't confuse that with Benning actually being someone who personally improves our drafting and I expect our drafting to get worse the more time passes since Brackett left.
 
  • Like
Reactions: I am toxic

Frankie Blueberries

Dream Team
Jan 27, 2016
9,414
10,992
What. The. f***.

What do you mean you ran out of time?!?!

Also you had to move out money because of multiple of your own stupid ass contracts.

Also, you could have moved Virtanen for assets and signed Toffoli really quite easily.

Also, you paid alot for 12 games of him remember?!

This guy is a complete f***ing dumb idiot.

I expect this much from Benning. But the other members of management who are supposed to be on top of this type of stuff and managing the cap, like Chris Gear, where the hell were they to help maneuver this situation? A poster on HF Boards could have done a better job at re-signing Toffoli than our entire management group. That's both hilarious and pathetically sad.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: n00b management.
 

VanillaCoke

Registered User
Oct 30, 2013
26,237
12,929
I expect this much from Benning. But the other members of management who are supposed to be on top of this type of stuff and managing the cap, like Chris Gear, where the hell were they to help maneuver this situation? A poster on HF Boards could have done a better job at re-signing Toffoli than our entire management group. That's both hilarious and pathetically sad.
That's a really good point.

Only Benning can sign ppl, or even draft up a contract?
The entire management team of several people couldn't make it happen with a player they admit they knew wanted to stay, the players wanted to stay, you paid alot for, and signed for cheap, for like 7 months!!??

Like how is that not nearly enough to fire someone?

I've fired people for alot less.
 

mathonwy

Positively #toxic
Jan 21, 2008
19,440
10,423
"There were moments of clarity for me in speaking with Jim that we just really connected on a hockey level," Linden told the Canucks website. "Our beliefs on how success is built in the National Hockey League were very aligned."

You can forgive him, but it doesn't mean he wasn't heavily involved with his hire.

That's a heck of a quote.

I wonder what kind of moments of clarity one can attain by speaking to Jim Benning.

lol.

PR folks are really good at writing this type of stuff ya know?

Don't mind me. I'm a non-believer.
 

valkynax

The LEEDAR
Sponsor
May 19, 2011
11,123
12,637
Burnaby
That's a heck of a quote.

I wonder what kind of moments of clarity one can attain by speaking to Jim Benning.

lol.

PR folks are really good at writing this type of stuff ya know?

Don't mind me. I'm a non-believer.

Wait, Benning spiked Linden's coffee with salvia?
 

Izzy Goodenough

Registered User
Oct 11, 2020
2,816
2,687
I was listening to a Patrick Johnson interview today and he made some points in that fashion that reports do who don't want to made to look like a pariah to the rights holder. Anyway, he intimated strongly that ownership approves ALL transactions and also implied they INITIATE transactions by providing lists to GMGB of who to sign etc. He went on to say that it's ownership's money so they can do as they please and they do, do as they please. Finally, he circled back and doubled down on the idea they had their hands in every pie, but said that strangely ownership had somehow tried to divest themselves from the bad decisions like hiring Torts. Johnson basically went on to say that it is hard to distance themselves since they signed Torts contract and his cheques, implying they make the decision on other contract including UFAs.

I found this kind of disturbing because it changes the narrative and instead of GMJB initiating transactions and seeking ownership approval, it suggests the converse and that GMJB has very little control over any of the decisions. Furthermore, it means nothing can change since ownership isn't going to change in the near future.
Therefore, we are stuck with this circus regardless of whomever is the GM. It also explains why they haven't fired GMJB and why GMJB says he plans to focus on the draft, since "that is my background": double speak for that is the only area he can impact.

The not so hidden hand...
 
Last edited:

y2kcanucks

Better than you
Aug 3, 2006
71,249
10,344
Surrey, BC
I was listening to a Patrick Johnson interview today and he made some points in that fashion that reports do who don't want to made to look like a pariah to the franchise holder. Anyway, he intimated strongly that ownership approves ALL transactions and also implied they INITIATE transactions by providing lists to GMGB of who to sign etc. He went on to say that it's ownership's money so they can do as they please and they do, do as they please. Finally, he circled back and doubled down on the idea they had their hands in every pie, but said that strangely ownership had somehow tried to divest themselves from the bad decisions like hiring Torts. Johnson basically went on to say that it would be hard to distance themselves since they signed his contract and his cheques.

I found this kind of disturbing because it changes the narrative and suggests GMGB has very little control over any of the decisions. Furthermore, it means nothing can change since ownership isn't going to change in the near future.
Therefore, we are stuck with this circus regardless of whomever is the GM.

The hidden hand...

The only hope is that Roberto and Paolo (and Luigi) take Frankie's toy away. They see the franchise value hasn't gotten back to what it was when Gillis was here, and they force him to take a step back. Hire someone competent to run the team, bring the franchise value back up, and let the smart guys handle the day to day business.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad