The Loss of Broberg and Holloway Gripe Thread

[aggressive forecheck]

Believe whatever you want but this was all by design.

 

[MoontoScott]

It's all part and parcel of several Oiler management teams who really haven't thought thru many of their transactions.

A good poker player knows what cards he has but he also has some idea as to what his opposition has in terms of cards. When you play 21 you don't usually ask for another card when you are sitting on 18.

What can you say--good management makes for a happy franchise.

We'll see what happens when the 2nd season begins.

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

You could have run a 20 player roster (12F+6D) with Holloway by sending down Ryan and Perry. That would have left ~500k in cap space without Kane on LTIR. If you ended up in a scenario where you needed to call up players due to injury then they could have just put Kane on LTIR like they did early in the season anyway.

It wasn’t realistic to match Broberg. But matching Holloway was something the team could have done if they wanted to.

Yup. They didn't want him and, let's be honest, this coaching staff was probably going to let him rot in the bottom 6 like they did all season up until playoffs. This org hates youth, and they already made up their mind that he wasn't important on Jul. 1.

Holloway is only doing what he's doing because he's escaped our terrible front office and coaching staff. He doesn't put up these numbers with us, because he would not be given a real chance and long enough leash.

Piss poor organizational mentality.

 

[CupofOil]

Not gonna lie, I die a little inside when Holloway and Broberg score. Holloway is turning into a star and at $2.2m for the next two years, feels real bad man

 

[MoontoScott]

Yup. They didn't want him and, let's be honest, this coaching staff was probably going to let him rot in the bottom 6 like they did all season up until playoffs. This org hates youth, and they already made up their mind that he wasn't important on Jul. 1.

Holloway is only doing what he's doing because he's escaped our terrible front office and coaching staff. He doesn't put up these numbers with us, because he would not be given a real chance and long enough leash.

Piss poor organizational mentality.

There is still a chance that Connor Brown could really cut it loose after April 16th??

 

[Mr Positive]

Well this situation is just annoying at this point. Holloway pretty much scoring a point in every game he plays. Everyone pretty much knows at this point that losing Holloway was a monumental mistake. Broberg is debatable.

But whats also annoying is Bowman is looking like a clown with some of his statements. Accruing cap space, no regrets, couldn’t build a team around them etc. It just looks moronic. Still convinced the reason they weren’t matched is because the organization was mad that they teamed up to put them in a bad position. Jackson didn’t take care of them early enough either by getting them signed or moving them for better assets and this is the result.

I agree to an extent but I have more sympathy for Bowman. He was hired after the offer sheets. He didn't know the players and there was no cap space for over 6 million in salary to find. I still put some blame on Bowman but if we're dividing up the blame like this is a car accident, Bowman gets like 5-10% of the blame.

And sure he says comments that sound dumb but that's just likely bullshit PR, and that's just part of his job. Fans of the Preds didn't give Poile extra points for publicly saying that they shouldn't have waived Tolvanen

 

[FlameChampion]

Yup. They didn't want him and, let's be honest, this coaching staff was probably going to let him rot in the bottom 6 like they did all season up until playoffs. This org hates youth, and they already made up their mind that he wasn't important on Jul. 1.

Holloway is only doing what he's doing because he's escaped our terrible front office and coaching staff. He doesn't put up these numbers with us, because he would not be given a real chance and long enough leash.

Piss poor organizational mentality.

I do wonder why this organization dislikes youth so much. They have so little patience for inexperienced players. We have seen in this year with Philp and Savoie as well.

 

[MoontoScott]

You could have run a 20 player roster (12F+6D) with Holloway by sending down Ryan and Perry. That would have left ~500k in cap space without Kane on LTIR. If you ended up in a scenario where you needed to call up players due to injury then they could have just put Kane on LTIR like they did early in the season anyway.

It wasn’t realistic to match Broberg. But matching Holloway was something the team could have done if they wanted to.

That sounds pretty logical to me. Why do you need a 13th forward when 2 of the forwards each end up playing 25 minutes a game?

 

[aspin3]

Their collective performance is turning into a fireable offence for Jackson and Bowman.

Ken Holland must be giddy.

Yet most of the same people here denouncing nit matching were the same ones saying we shouldn't match. What a revisionist board

 

[Mr Positive]

I do wonder why this organization dislikes youth so much. They have so little patience for inexperienced players. We have seen in this year with Philp and Savoie as well.

Savoie is still young though, and the point of his call up was just to get a taste of the NHL. I don't think he needs to be on the team now.

I don't even mind the progression of Holloway and Broberg here. Knoblauch gave them real roles in key playoff games. All Jackson had to do was sign them and they'd be NHL regulars on our team now.

 

[FlameChampion]

I agree to an extent but I have more sympathy for Bowman. He was hired after the offer sheets. He didn't know the players and there was no cap space for over 6 million in salary to find. I still put some blame on Bowman but if we're dividing up the blame like this is a car accident, Bowman gets like 5-10% of the blame.

And sure he says comments that sound dumb but that's just likely bullshit PR, and that's just part of his job. Fans of the Preds didn't give Poile extra points for publicly saying that they shouldn't have waived Tolvanen

Don’t get me wrong. He’s covering for Jackson, other management and potentially players. The offseason was pretty much cast before he got there. But like his comments this week about not being able to build the team around them just sounds dumb. Broberg I get. But easily could of matched Holloway. Its all PR though but I think its disingenuous. They obviously didn’t want either player here for reasons. Better saying nothing than spouting lies.

 

[FlameChampion]

Savoie is still young though, and the point of his call up was just to get a taste of the NHL. I don't think he needs to be on the team now.

I don't even mind the progression of Holloway and Broberg here. Knoblauch gave them real roles in key playoff games. All Jackson had to do was sign them and they'd be NHL regulars on our team now.

I agree but they can’t even give guys regular shifts for a single game. Let alone multiple games.

 

[Mr Positive]

Yup. They didn't want him and, let's be honest, this coaching staff was probably going to let him rot in the bottom 6 like they did all season up until playoffs. This org hates youth, and they already made up their mind that he wasn't important on Jul. 1.

Holloway is only doing what he's doing because he's escaped our terrible front office and coaching staff. He doesn't put up these numbers with us, because he would not be given a real chance and long enough leash.

Piss poor organizational mentality.

I don't know how you could say this when both Holloway and Broberg's success are natural and predictable progressions of their increased usage on the Oilers. Of course they get more minutes on the Blues. They are a year older and have a playoff run of development under their belt. The coaching did great. Jackson just didn't sign them

 

[midnightcopper]

Not gonna lie, I die a little inside when Holloway and Broberg score. Holloway is turning into a star and at $2.2m for the next two years, feels real bad man

Sorry, but Broberg with a goal and three assists tonight against the Canadiens, Holloway with a goal and assist. Its turning into one of those train wrecks...not the one you can't turn away from, but the one so bad, you have to.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Even Broberg is bringing the heat now haha ooooof

 

[Heavy Dee]

Because you're either playing short or replacing them with other players and saving nothing.

Sorry, but Broberg with a goal and three assists tonight against the Canadiens, Holloway with a goal and assist. Its turning into one of those train wrecks...not the one you can't turn away from, but the one so bad, you have to.

It's going down as one of the worst roster decisions ever. Miro Satan bad.

 

[Mr Positive]

Sorry, but Broberg with a goal and three assists tonight against the Canadiens, Holloway with a goal and assist. Its turning into one of those train wrecks...not the one you can't turn away from, but the one so bad, you have to.

What's even funnier is that with such as obvious screw up, you'd think there'd be extra pressure to win the cup. It's the one thing that could forgive the screw up

And yet, Bowman did not trade for any insurance in net. Our obvious as a sore thumb weakness. It's enough to want one to go down the conspiracy route

 

[Drivesaitl]

Yup. They didn't want him and, let's be honest, this coaching staff was probably going to let him rot in the bottom 6 like they did all season up until playoffs. This org hates youth, and they already made up their mind that he wasn't important on Jul. 1.

Holloway is only doing what he's doing because he's escaped our terrible front office and coaching staff. He doesn't put up these numbers with us, because he would not be given a real chance and long enough leash.

Piss poor organizational mentality.

This is the thing for me. As I'd mentioned on July 1 the org had pretty much told Holloway they were gonna dick him around for another full season because they went shopping for old forwards.

They didn't know or realize what they lost. Holloway was looking like a star player and showing signs of speed rush hands in the playoffs finishing BEAUTIFUL goals and on multiple being sprung by Drai himself.

Holloway took longer to bloom, as 200ft forwards and big forwards tend to do. But he's now a power forward PPG player at age 23. All alone he's better than all 3 forwards we obtained in offseason.

 

[Drivesaitl]

It's going down as one of the worst roster decisions ever. Miro Satan bad.

Its worse than Miro even. Its like leaving Shane Doan on the draft table. Its one of those. Worse, the Oilers drafted Holloway, somehow didn't believe in him, and lost him for nothing. Posters don't want to hear about it as I've stated this is the single worst player loss since Taylor Hall and subsequently Eberle. By an org that longstanding, just doesn't value its players.

Holloway was just my kind of player too. Edge, speed, talent, hands. He's 23. Whats the limit?

 

[Drivesaitl]

What's even funnier is that with such as obvious screw up, you'd think there'd be extra pressure to win the cup. It's the one thing that could forgive the screw up

And yet, Bowman did not trade for any insurance in net. Our obvious as a sore thumb weakness. It's enough to want one to go down the conspiracy route

When things like this occur the whole org and players reflect on it. I think it was a gut punch to some of the players here and may even have been complicated by newer additions taking months here to get anything. All the players on this team know we lost McLeod who's gonna be a 50pt player this season, Holloway, who will hit 70, Foegele who could hit 50, and Broberg looking like a young star D. Sure we've replaced these guys with old fodder but teams need energy in playoffs and ALL of that young energy is gone. Theres none left.

Unfortunately dunce offseasons, they impact everybody remaining. Players aren't immune to how poorly managed this org is. Really it would be impossible for anybody on this team not to notice the org gave up a star player to a lowball offersheet. An offersheet that happens to be he best dollar per dollar contract around. Thats just the salt in it. Holloway on the cheap putting up a star season.

 

[Tom Brady]

Lost the cup in game 7, and just weeks later we lost these 2 for peanuts.

Unless we win the cup this year I might die of a broken heart

 

[MessierII]

Lost the cup in game 7, and just weeks later we lost these 2 for peanuts.

Unless we win the cup this year I might die of a broken heart

Last time we lost in game 7 we lost Christ pronger just days later. Could always be worse.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Lost the cup in game 7, and just weeks later we lost these 2 for peanuts.

Unless we win the cup this year I might die of a broken heart

Its not just that either. When you lose your best two prospects you've lost that forever. you've lost two blue chip players and possibly their careers. Thats the biggest hurt in this, not the short term, but the longterm as well. Credible orgs think of this sort of thing. The Oilers are so myopically into the one year, one shot time frame, and even at that I'd want Holloway, Mcleod, Broberg, etc over anything we'd obtained. So that the Oilers likely blew the short term play and the longterm.

It takes a particularly dense org to make a team worse through several movements in the offseason after just having been in the Cup Final. Florida didn't do this, Vegas didn't do this etc.

Again heres this hits me particularly. As a huge Drai fan I was GUTTED, as a fan crushed when the Oilers lost Taylor Hall. I was because of recognizing what a pair those two could be for the next decade. Then a decade later the next crush. The guy that looked spectacular with Leon in the playoffs is lost. A guy that could have danced with Leon for the next decade to pretty great heights.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Last time we lost in game 7 we lost Christ pronger just days later. Could always be worse.

 

[MoontoScott]

But give some credit to the Blues too.

They made a bold move in a league where offer sheets were considered "impolite."

I wonder if that move will open the flood gates?