The Loss of Broberg and Holloway Gripe Thread

[bucks_oil]

Team should have at least swallowed their pride on Holloway. Getting a 3rd for him was a complete joke and his contract was easy to fit in. I could understand not matching on Broberg but even then I would have matched and found a way to make the cap work like every other team seems to do.

Holloway was possible… Broberg was not. (Unless you want to lay out your moves that made it so)

It’s fine to be critical, but do not reinvent history.

 

[McShogun99]

Holloway was possible… Broberg was not. (Unless you want to lay out your moves that made it so)

It’s fine to be critical, but do not reinvent history.

They had the cap space after the Ceci trade and by putting Kane on LTIR before the season started. The problem was they couldn’t accrue cap space unless they waited until the season started to put Kane on LTIR.

Now the 2 things we’re looking for at the deadline is exactly what Holloway and Broberg provide and they would have provided us that for years.

 

[bucks_oil]

They had the cap space after the Ceci trade and by putting Kane on LTIR before the season started. The problem was they couldn’t accrue cap space unless they waited until the season started to put Kane on LTIR.

Now the 2 things we’re looking for at the deadline is exactly what Holloway and Broberg provide and they would have provided us that for years.

Yes, but the choice was LTIR Kane

AND be sure he wasn’t coming back (which all rumblings then and now were we aren’t sure)…

Then what?

He comes back post deadline so we can’t really even make a trade to get rid of salary.

The fact is was started the season with a 21-man roster and 875k in cap space.

To sign even Holloway meant trading Janmark a month after signing him or sending Perry to the AHL. Then they could squeak Holloway in.

The only scenario that allowed Broberg was doing both of the above + Kulak, or going nuclear with RNH or Hyman… or using Kane’s LTIR, again not knowing if he’s coming back.

Both just wasn’t a realistic option… they were already painted into a corner

 

[McShogun99]

Yes, but the choice was LTIR Kane

AND be sure he wasn’t coming back (which all rumblings then and now were we aren’t sure)…

Then what?

He comes back post deadline so we can’t really even make a trade to get rid of salary.

The fact is was started the season with a 21-man roster and 875k in cap space.

To sign even Holloway meant trading Janmark a month after signing him or sending Perry to the AHL. Then they could squeak Holloway in.

The only scenario that allowed Broberg was doing both of the above + Kulak, or going nuclear with RNH or Hyman… or using Kane’s LTIR, again not knowing if he’s coming back.

Both just wasn’t a realistic option… they were already painted into a corner

Other teams seem to have no problem dealing with the cap. The team knew that Kane wasn’t coming back until near the end of the season regardless of what they said. They have the option of moving Kane now that it’s March 1st or there’s the option of moving Kulak. It was very possible but they should have just moved on from Broberg at the draft since they already knew he wanted out. They tried the strong arm tactic and it backfired.

 

[CycloneSweep]

We gave up a 50 point guy for next to nothing and he is signed to a cheap contract. Absolutely pathetic organization

Yes, but the choice was LTIR Kane

AND be sure he wasn’t coming back (which all rumblings then and now were we aren’t sure)…

Then what?

He comes back post deadline so we can’t really even make a trade to get rid of salary.

The fact is was started the season with a 21-man roster and 875k in cap space.

To sign even Holloway meant trading Janmark a month after signing him or sending Perry to the AHL. Then they could squeak Holloway in.

The only scenario that allowed Broberg was doing both of the above + Kulak, or going nuclear with RNH or Hyman… or using Kane’s LTIR, again not knowing if he’s coming back.

Both just wasn’t a realistic option… they were already painted into a corner

And who f***ing painted the team into a corner? The team did! Jeff Jackson did this to himself and the org and fanbase suffers.

Holloway has 6 more points than Skinner and Arvidsson…combined.

 

[Heavy Dee]

I will never stop hating this.

 

[PitkanensGitch]

Holloway is a downright incredible player. Most of us saw he was on the precipice of breaking out here. He actually did IMO in the playoffs. He was a stud.

There's a phenomenon you notice in playoff hockey where the coach goes to the players he instinctively knows are going to give us the best chance to win games.

Anyone remember two years ago Bouchard going from being the #7 guy to being our top minute, all situations player in important playoff games? Or Broberg going from healthied to being a top 4 minute muncher? Or Holloway getting his minutes raised drastically?

There are players that are held back during the season due to protocols, coaching styles, feeling they haven't earned it due to being young, etc....but there is a phenomenon in humans where when you want to win at all costs, you instinctively identify what is going to help you do that. All of those stupid rules about seniority and experience go out the window. We had Bouchard's coming out party and kept him. We had Broberg and Holloway's coming out party in the same manner -- do or die playoff hockey the coach was throwing them all out there and they performed, they rose above most of our other guys.

It was so obvious what we had. Letting them go is a travesty. Saw it with Sam Bennett every playoffs with Calgary, going from being a decent middle 6 guy to being a ppg player in the playoffs each time they got in. Florida identified that and now he's a star.

Some guys have playoff swagger. Holloway does. Broberg does. Bouchard even does. We lost these guys for a nothing pick and replaced them with scraps. Anyone with eyes knew Holloway especially was a stud. Fast, aggressive, very good hands. No brainer...

 

[aggressive forecheck]

Quote from Brian Burke I just heard:

analytics are like a lampost to a drunk, helps for support but not necessarily for illumination... I think the key is it's one other tool in the toolbox, that's all it is. Anyone who thinks you can find a winning hockey team sitting at a laptop is an idiot... an IDIOT, but you can't disregard the advice and contribution...

A lovely running beneficence from a man who was gifted Chris Pronger.

The gifting of Holloway and Broberg to St. Louis isn't going to simply sting for the next decade it's going to openly fester.

And that's the way Bettman and the board of governors like it.

 

[Mr Positive]

Holloway is a downright incredible player. Most of us saw he was on the precipice of breaking out here. He actually did IMO in the playoffs. He was a stud.

There's a phenomenon you notice in playoff hockey where the coach goes to the players he instinctively knows are going to give us the best chance to win games.

Anyone remember two years ago Bouchard going from being the #7 guy to being our top minute, all situations player in important playoff games? Or Broberg going from healthied to being a top 4 minute muncher? Or Holloway getting his minutes raised drastically?

There are players that are held back during the season due to protocols, coaching styles, feeling they haven't earned it due to being young, etc....but there is a phenomenon in humans where when you want to win at all costs, you instinctively identify what is going to help you do that. All of those stupid rules about seniority and experience go out the window. We had Bouchard's coming out party and kept him. We had Broberg and Holloway's coming out party in the same manner -- do or die playoff hockey the coach was throwing them all out there and they performed, they rose above most of our other guys.

It was so obvious what we had. Letting them go is a travesty. Saw it with Sam Bennett every playoffs with Calgary, going from being a decent middle 6 guy to being a ppg player in the playoffs each time they got in. Florida identified that and now he's a star.

Some guys have playoff swagger. Holloway does. Broberg does. Bouchard even does. We lost these guys for a nothing pick and replaced them with scraps. Anyone with eyes knew Holloway especially was a stud. Fast, aggressive, very good hands. No brainer...

Holloway was likely to hit his potential fast but don't sleep on Broberg. He will be the better of the two imo. Big, fast, skilled dmen like that are rare. Dmen take a bit longer to hit their prime.

But yes losing Holloway was enough to make that summer a fail

We better win the cup this year because losing a huge part of our future core is going to have a huge impact for a looooong time

 

[aggressive forecheck]

Holloway was likely to hit his potential fast but don't sleep on Broberg. He will be the better of the two imo. Big, fast, skilled dmen like that are rare. Dmen take a bit longer to hit their prime.

But yes losing Holloway was enough to make that summer a fail

We better win the cup this year because losing a huge part of our future core is going to have a huge impact for a looooong time

I believe Philip Broberg will settle in as a number two defenceman just as Jay Bouwmeester did for St. Louis. The Blues didn't get their hands on Bouwmeester until he was 30. Broberg is 23.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Dumbest move made by a guy playing GM For A Day like the Oilers were his private PlayStation team. Jeff Jackson can f*** all the way off.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

Dumbest move made by a guy playing GM For A Day like the Oilers were his private PlayStation team. Jeff Jackson can f*** all the way off.

Bad mouth Jeff Jackson all you want and see where that gets Edmonton. McDavid will leave. What do you think of that?

We lost Broberg and Holloway during a "nhl governors meeting", not by someone playing GM for a day.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

Bad mouth Jeff Jackson all you want and see where that gets Edmonton. McDavid will leave. What do you think of that?

We lost Broberg and Holloway during a "nhl governors meeting", not by someone playing GM for a day.

 

[Mr Positive]

Bad mouth Jeff Jackson all you want and see where that gets Edmonton. McDavid will leave. What do you think of that?

We lost Broberg and Holloway during a "nhl governors meeting", not by someone playing GM for a day.

We aren't going to fire Jackson anyway. He screwed up but Bowman is in charge now. I don't think we need to fire people in retribution for a screwup. We have a situation where even if Jackson was bad as a GM, our current situation is different and might work. Heck, if we the cup this year and Skinner or Arvidsson have anything to do with it, Jackson might be redeemed

 

[McShogun99]

We aren't going to fire Jackson anyway. He screwed up but Bowman is in charge now. I don't think we need to fire people in retribution for a screwup. We have a situation where even if Jackson was bad as a GM, our current situation is different and might work. Heck, if we the cup this year and Skinner or Arvidsson have anything to do with it, Jackson might be redeemed

I’m waiting until the playoffs are over before a true judgement. For all we know Skinner could score the cup winning goal assisted by Arvidsson and Henrique.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

I’m waiting until the playoffs are over before a true judgement. For all we know Skinner could score the cup winning goal assisted by Arvidsson and Henrique.

Even if the Oil do miraculously win the Cup is that enough to cover for a blunder like this?

IMO they had everything they needed to win multiple Cups. But they lost it under three distinctly dubious management teams, each making unreasonably bad decisions. Was each group altogether incompetent or did they simply do as the league instructed them.

Katz is matter-of-factly one of the governors in a syndicate out to make as much profit as possible. And he may have done better at exactly that then any of the other corresponding governors. Does that make Katz the winner? I don't know.

I'll say this and It's my right as a fan. I've come to terms that the Oil will probably never win a Cup with McDavid and Draisaitl.

If you are a realist you see many of the games the NHL and its surrounding sphere of questionable characters plays are not on the ice. Don't be shocked with a McDavid departure. Perhaps that's the role this team is deemed to perform, and you know what I'm talking about.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Holloway was possible… Broberg was not. (Unless you want to lay out your moves that made it so)

It’s fine to be critical, but do not reinvent history.

Kane to LTIR

 

[Nostradumbass]

Even if the Oil do miraculously win the Cup is that enough to cover for a blunder like this?

IMO they had everything they needed to win multiple Cups. But they lost it under three distinctly dubious management teams, each making unreasonably bad decisions. Was each group altogether incompetent or did they simply do as the league instructed them.

Katz is matter-of-factly one of the governors in a syndicate out to make as much profit as possible. And he may have done better at exactly that then any of the other corresponding governors. Does that make Katz the winner? I don't know.

I'll say this and It's my right as a fan. I've come to terms that the Oil will probably never win a Cup with McDavid and Draisaitl.

If you are a realist you see many of the games the NHL and its surrounding sphere of questionable characters plays are not on the ice. Don't be shocked with a McDavid departure. Perhaps that's the role this team is deemed to perform, and you know what I'm talking about.

If the Oil win the cup, it solves all missteps. How often do you get to see your team win a cup? Ask Canucks fans.

 

[PuckG]

This thread makes me sad..

 

[aggressive forecheck]

Kane to LTIR

I would have loved to see Kulak traded so I wouldn't have had to listen about how good the Kulak is ever again. That would have been a fantastic start. I said they had to move Kulak a hundred times before the season started and I heard a thousand times that Kulak is a great player. Gaslighting.

Moving Kulak would have opened up a natural spot for Broberg. We still have posters insisting Broberg would be behind Kulak. Today Broberg is top 4 defenseman on any team. Lots of teams have players in the minors that are superior to Kulak.

Kane to the LTIR to start the season over accruing cap space, I beat a hole through that frickin drum.

This thread makes me sad..

Tell me, when was the last time you heard someone say Kulak was the perfect fit in Edmonton? The insidiousness of it all is what makes me sad.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

If the Oil win the cup, it solves all missteps. How often do you get to see your team win a cup? Ask Canucks fans.

I empathise with all Canadian team fan bases because of the 31 year Cup drought.

Even those from Vancouver. All those ridiculous fools with the brain virus.

 

[Tarus]

Dumbest move made by a guy playing GM For A Day like the Oilers were his private PlayStation team. Jeff Jackson can f*** all the way off.

It's probable that Jeff Jackson spent all that money on UFA day because he knew Broberg/Holloway wanted out. Blues GM was already talking to the media about potential offer sheets before even the NHL entry draft, and he's not hinting stuff like that openly in the media if he's not already talking to agents behind the scenes.

I highly suspect that the relationship with the two players and the Oilers was scuttled during the Woodcroft coaching tenure, they both got dicked around hard by that coaching staff to the point that Jeff Skinner would probably feel his personal situation isn't all that bad if someone laid out the comparison for him. Sometimes things just get to the point where everyone wants to move on to different opportunities and a fresh start.

Sucks the Oilers didn't get more for them, but Holland had several opportunities and warnings, yet chose to sit on his hands instead of improving his team, including the last tradeline where Broberg had a very public trade request and probably should have been dumped.

 

[Canovin]

If the Oilers win the cup with current roster, will people still be complaining about losing Broberg and Holloway?

 

[Drivesaitl]

I’m waiting until the playoffs are over before a true judgement. For all we know Skinner could score the cup winning goal assisted by Arvidsson and Henrique.

I could wake up looking like Brad Pitt again but its probably not gonna happen.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I would have loved to see Kulak traded so I wouldn't have had to listen about how good the Kulak is ever again. That would have been a fantastic start. I said they had to move Kulak a hundred times before the season started and I heard a thousand times that Kulak is a great player. Gaslighting.

Moving Kulak would have opened up a natural spot for Broberg. We still have posters insisting Broberg would be behind Kulak. Today Broberg is top 4 defenseman on any team. Lots of teams have players in the minors that are superior to Kulak.

Kane to the LTIR to start the season over accruing cap space, I beat a hole through that frickin drum.


Tell me, when was the last time you heard someone say Kulak was the perfect fit in Edmonton? The insidiousness of it all is what makes me sad.

Seeing your avatar and use of the word insidious scares me.