The Loss of Broberg and Holloway Gripe Thread

[Soundwave]

My personal thought was they were going to sign Jake DeBrusk on the first day of free agency so I was watching Jake DeBrusk videos the night before free agency day. I thought that would be a good fit. That seemed to be the chatter that was out there.

When they traded Ceci I thought they for sure are matching at least one of Holloway or Broberg. I thought that was a lock to happen.

 

[AM]

two games in a row that the fourth line has been getting the job done.

This is what teams that want to win look like.

And keep in mind, players that want to be on a championship team need to make sure their salary matches the available funds.

We don’t need guys who want to get paid double.

And yes it funny as all hell there are people who want guys who don’t want to play here instead of whoever is available at the deadline.

Maybe we trade for Holloway, you know if they retain.

 

[bucks_oil]

Stop making excuses and putting this on a young emerging player who signed for a million more. This is % on Bowman and Jackson. They could easily have matched Holloway and easily worked around the cap. Absolutely nothing to do with Holloway. 0.

Arvidsson nor Skinner at this point isn't even half the talent Holloway is. Speed, size, youth and physicality. These guys in management get paid millions to make these calls. In real life these guys would be fired on the spot.

After they screwed up on Arvidsson and Skinner during free agent Frenzy,... that's what it was Frenzy on a team without a GM and who'd had a lame-duck (on the way out) GM for the months leading up to free agency and the 7 planning days after the SCF finished.

Once those errors were made, they had NO CHANCE to match Holloway. He signed for $900K to $1.6M more than any of the guys he would be replacing on our roster....

... and we started the season with only $785K in cap space.

So please tell us all how they could "easily worked around the cap"?

Being proactive and signing him before free agency at $1.5 or so was probably an option (I don't think anywhere it said he would accept 1.1, only that's what we were planning to offer).

But once the mistakes on July 1st were made, there was no going back, unless:
1) we traded BOTH Kulak and Ceci, in which case we could fit in ONE of Holloway or Broberg, options being:

1A: Keep Holloway instead of Kulak + have 3 defenders making ~$1M play every night (so Stecher + Brown + one other guy since Emberson isn't here), or​

1B: Bet on Broberg instead of Kulak + have Stecher and J Brown as your bottom pair, or​

2) we used up Kane's LTIR, but then we'd have zero cap for the deadline AND would have to move big money at the deadline to fit Kane in when he returns.

In both cases we were taking on big risks on our back end, essentially losing Kulak + deadline addition for Broberg or Holloway vs status quo.

It was a mistake to march them to offer sheet status and blow our bundle on July 1st. Once that happened, they actually made the most rational decision available.

 

[McFlash97]

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My personal thought was they were going to sign Jake DeBrusk on the first day of free agency so I was watching Jake DeBrusk videos the night before free agency day. I thought that would be a good fit. That seemed to be the chatter that was out there.

When they traded Ceci I thought they for sure are matching at least one of Holloway or Broberg. I thought that was a lock to happen.

Was elated to know Holloway was getting matched. A key cog in retaining that youthful exhuberance and experience.

Darryl Katz is too soft on these guys. He should be more involved with questioning stupid decisions.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Hollow with only one goal so far tonight. Really great smarts on the play though.
15, 15...do i hear 28?

 

[Shanahanigans]

We gave away a 22 year old power forward lite on pace to score 30 goals so we could sign Jeff Skinner man. I won't get offer this for a long time. Brutal asset management.

 

[Drivesaitl]

As if the thread needs more of the bad news but Holloway with his 15 goals, alone, has as many goals as the 3 new forwards the team acquired in Skinner Arvid, and Pods. This not even counting Foegele, McLeod, who we also lost.

The expressed notion that Holloway would not be scoring here because he would not be in topsix is weird too. How would Holloway NOT be with Draisaitl. We have far worse options with Drai right now and have all season.

But apparently it was ridiculous for me to be very much against the Skinner and Arvid acquisitions in July.

 

[TheNumber4]

Bowman: “I’ve been very happy with both (Podkolzin/Emberson). We took our time that week on the offer sheets, and we spent a lot of time deciding — if we weren’t going to bring the two players (Broberg and Holloway) back — how are we going to fill in with different players?”

So essentially the short term calculus was:

Holloway vs. Podkolzin + $1M cap space + 3rd Round Pick + additional Paul Fischer prospect (nothing prospect really) - 4th round pick

Broberg vs. Emberson + $3.58M cap space + 2nd pick + additional 3rd - 3rd pick

That saved Cap Space was to accrue to somewhere around $3Mish at the TDL. In the scenario that Kane returns to the Oilers in the season. Puckpedia saying now if Kane is out until the playoffs we don’t use the cap accrual and just use Kane’s freed up 5.1M, which means you take out the freed cap space in the above calculus.

Edit: forgot to add that we also needed to trade a 4th for Podz. And a 3rd for Emberson.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Bowman: “I’ve been very happy with both (Podkolzin/Emberson). We took our time that week on the offer sheets, and we spent a lot of time deciding — if we weren’t going to bring the two players (Broberg and Holloway) back — how are we going to fill in with different players?”

So essentially the short term calculus was:

Holloway vs. Podkolzin + $1M cap space + 3rd Round Pick + additional Paul Fischer prospect (nothing prospect really)

Broberg vs. Emberson + $3.58M cap space + 2nd pick + additional 3rd

That saved Cap Space was to accrue to somewhere around $3Mish at the TDL. In the scenario that Kane returns to the Oilers in the season. Puckpedia saying now if Kane is out until the playoffs we don’t use the cap accrual and just use Kane’s freed up 5.1M, which means you take out the freed cap space in the above calculus.

The same PuckPedia that doesnt even have Josh Brown on our cap for the last 2 games?

 

[TheNumber4]

The same PuckPedia that doesnt even have Josh Brown on our cap for the last 2 games?

I mean I hope Puckpedia is just incompetent. But following that Twitter thread he’s doubling down on this mistake correction.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I mean I hope Puckpedia is just incompetent. But following that Twitter thread he’s doubling down on this mistake correction.

Dumb people usually do that.

If the Oilers did do that, someone should probably be losing their job.

Considering they started the season under the cap.

 

[TheNumber4]

Dumb people usually do that.

If the Oilers did do that, someone should probably be losing their job.

Considering they started the season under the cap.

Hey I’m more than open to the Puckpedia is just wrong narrative. But I’ve never had reason to question their credibility in the past. Has there been incidents I should be considering?

 

[bucks_oil]

My understanding... @Fourier could help here....

Hmmm... I actually don't know.

Originally the "game the system" plan was NOT to LTIR Kane, accrue space, spend said space THEN LTIR Kane and use his space.

But we LTIR'd Kane in Oct... so we can still accrue space. What is not clear to me is whether we can acquire a player using that space AND still then use Kane's space???

I assume the answer is still yes, but not sure. Does the sequence matter? Ie we have to make use the $3M before we make use of Kane's $5.1?

 

[McDNicks17]

My understanding... @Fourier could help here....

Hmmm... I actually don't know.

Originally the "game the system" plan was NOT to LTIR Kane, accrue space, spend said space THEN LTIR Kane and use his space.

But we LTIR'd Kane in Oct... so we can still accrue space. What is not clear to me is whether we can acquire a player using that space AND still then use Kane's space???

I assume the answer is still yes, but not sure. Does the sequence matter? Ie we have to make use the $3M before we make use of Kane's $5.1?

Fourier will probably know better, but that sounds right to me.

It makes sense that you would have to go through the cap you've accrued before you get into LTIR since you technically wouldn't be over the cap while using the accrued cap.