The Loss of Broberg and Holloway Gripe Thread

[McDNicks17]

He has better numbers against elite comp than Parayko does lololol, In fact he does better than every Blues top 4 dman option except Fowler who has only played 9 games for the Blues and has by all accounts been genuinely playing great for them. Just stop with the anti Broberg and anti Holloway agenda, it's getting old and honestly quite laughable at this point. To the point where Blues fans literally come onto this thread to link your posts and meme about them on their own boards.

Take a second and break those numbers down. Broberg's better numbers are basically being on the ice for 1 DFF more vs. elite comp every 15 games haha.

I'll have to check that out. That sounds hilarious. We've got people in here swooning over his 14 minutes of 5v5 against the worst team in the league. I can only imagine what they're saying.

edit: That was disappointing. The only one I could find was about me talking about PDO. Not sure that's much of a meme since Broberg's PDO has been crashing back down to earth since then.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Take a second and break those numbers down. Broberg's better numbers are basically being on the ice for 1 DFF more vs. elite comp every 15 games haha.

I'll have to check that out. That sounds hilarious. We've got people in here swooning over his 14 minutes of 5v5 against the worst team in the league. I can only imagine what they're saying.

edit: That was disappointing. The only one I could find was about me talking about PDO. Not sure that's much of a meme since Broberg's PDO has been crashing back down to earth since then.

One extra dangerous scoring chance for or against per game might not be the difference between McDavid and Skinner, but it's not nothing either. In any case even if we ignore the 2 or 3% he has over a Parayko or Suter, for a supposedly sheltered player who wilts against elites, you'd expect him to do significantly worse than other Blues top 4 dmen, which is certainly not the case.

 

[Game 8]

I don't think this was the reason and I sure hope not. Its a fan view, its not a management view. JJ himself is an agent, the last thing he would be thinking is "f*** a player for wanting to be paid or valued" JJ spelled it out. The org slept on how good these players could be. They perhaps thought they were marginal players and not bonafide good players. Strange that they would. Holloway particularly was good when up last year and was certainly good in Bakersfield. Its like they weren't even paying attention. Holloway scored 21G up and down and including playoffs for the org last season in 81GP as a 22yr old. How does a pro org not even notice?

That's been the issue with this org for decades as you know. The other issue is they play checkers when they should be playing chess. If you're a GM scouting and analytics budgets are endless providing ownership agrees. For some reason the Oilers are always in the bottom five. Regarding the chess department if you start a rebuild would you pick dmen and goalies before forwards all things being equal, should dmen get an extra checkmark because of the position they play up to a certain point in the rebuild. Would you sign an older UFA with no upside for similar money vs a kid that basically has the same stats but room to grow. Those small edges are the difference between a winner and a loser, also the reason I think 95% of GM's in every sport don't deserve their positions.

 

[Stoneman89]

That's been the issue with this org for decades as you know. The other issue is they play checkers when they should be playing chess. If you're a GM scouting and analytics budgets are endless providing ownership agrees. For some reason the Oilers are always in the bottom five. Regarding the chess department if you start a rebuild would you pick dmen and goalies before forwards all things being equal, should dmen get an extra checkmark because of the position they play up to a certain point in the rebuild. Would you sign an older UFA with no upside for similar money vs a kid that basically has the same stats but room to grow. Those small edges are the difference between a winner and a loser, also the reason I think 95% of GM's in every sport don't deserve their positions.

That's easy to point out in a vacuum. For a an average team or one below average, that's probably an easy decision - go with the kid and let him learn and grow. But for a legit SC contender with a limited window, veteran experience is highly valued and you have to make a decision that that will pay off during the tense moment of SC playoff games and moments. Obviously in hindsight, the Jeff Skinner decision over signing Holloway has been a disaster, but it's been made and we have to move on. Now, ironically, they likely need to try to move Skinner at some point in order to find a quality replacement for him.

 

[TheNumber4]

I never had a problem with moving on from McLeod and I still don't. Our PK is trending towards it's elite status from last years playoff run, and neither player ripping it up offensively. I'm not sure McLeod ever had even one hit in his entire career here, and his game is a shining example of perimeter play. Not to mention, he doesn't have the luxury anymore of getting some premium time with a player like Drai to pad his stats a bit.

Funny enough 2 years ago, McLeod had a higher hits per game than Henrique has this year.

Mcleod did his job and won his possession battle while he was here. Can’t say the same for Henrique at this point. The production could have been better from Mcleod, but we’re left saying the same thing about Henrique right now.

Ultimately I think so far it’s been mostly a lateral move, comparing the players straight across. But then again Mcleod came a $1M cheaper, but we also got Savoie out the deal so can’t really complain about the swap overall.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Holloway continues...another great read intercepting the pass and great headman on the puck to Brayden. He created this opportunity again tonight.
St. Louis has got themselves a winner.

 

[guymez]

Holloway continues...another great read intercepting the pass and great headman on the puck to Brayden. He created this opportunity again tonight.
St. Louis has got themselves a winner.

Great call on their part.
Big time fail on the part of Oilers Management.
This is their player...they drafted him and developed him and they STILL believed that Holloway wasnt worth taking that risk on.
Epic fail.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Scoring chances created in the first half of the cup finals. For the Oilers, after the big 3, number 4 was Holloway. In the finals vs the big and physical panthers. The signs were there that this was coming.