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The Crypto Guy said:
You understand a scalpel is a knife right? Can a knife kill someone?

Joel wasn't shooting him if he didnt pick up that "knife" and stepped up to him.

I'm again very sorry this is difficult for you to understand.
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"If someone brings a knife into a fight, you bring a gun!" It was a scalpel. He only stepped up saying "I won't let you take her." He was defending himself. Unless you want to bring up the South Park excuse "They're heading straight for us!" Also, you think anyone's going to bring up to Abby that his dad had a scalpel? To her, it was the equivalent as unarmed.
 
Jussi said:
"If someone brings a knife into a fight, you bring a gun!" It was a scalpel. He only stepped up saying "I won't let you take her." He was defending himself. Unless you want to bring up the South Park excuse "They're heading straight for us!" Also, you think anyone's going to bring up to Abby that his dad had a scalpel? To her, it was the equivalent as unarmed.
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He was not defending himself, he literally says and you quoted "I WONT LET YOU TAKE HER" He is defending HER and the CURE and is trying to prevent him from taking her. This is absolutely hilarious how you don't understand what even happened :laugh:
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
Game 2 clearly sucked ass though. And it sucks because an episode like this weeks really highlights how much potential the show could have had if they didn't follow the horrible writing of the game and ventured off path instead. Especially having an actor like Pedro as your lead, they could have had something brilliant.


Guess that would have upset most of the gamers too much though lol.
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Hard to say something sucks without really experiencing the medium, the narration format of a story is much different in a video game. It might have worked in the game, even if it's not going as well in the show

I agree though,going back to Pedro as the lead made this show drastically more enjoyable, and writing him a bigger role would have been really great TV

But, on the flip side this episode was a top 5 for the series, so Joel's death did create a truly great episode.
In the behind the scenes clip they talk about planning the spaceship scene in s2 to be exactly like the game quite early on in production,like before the second game was even released... so clearly the vision was always to stick to the game, for better or worse.
 
Jussi said:
I'm saying that scalpel vs gun is not a fair fight and TO ABBY, he was unarmed.
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Yeah no shit it wasn't a fair fight and that's why you don''t step towards someone with a gun while you're holding a knife.

And that 'unarmed' doctor was about to kill an innocent girl without giving her any say so he's not getting sympathy from me. The other 17 he killed were Fireflies who have most likely all killed people too. It's unfortunate they couldn't cure humanity or whatever's left of it but I don't blame Joel at all.

No one here has said they hate Abby, quite the opposite actually. If you're bothered by people hating on Abby on social media or wherever then I would suggest ignoring it.
 
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DaaaaB's said:
Yeah no shit it wasn't a fair fight and that's why you don''t step towards someone with a gun while you're holding a knife.

And that 'unarmed' doctor was about to kill an innocent girl without giving her any say so he's not getting sympathy from me. The other 17 he killed were Fireflies who have most likely all killed people too. It's unfortunate they couldn't cure humanity or whatever's left of it but I don't blame Joel at all.

No one here has said they hate Abby, quite the opposite actually. If you're bothered by people hating on Abby on social media or wherever then I would suggest ignoring it.
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That's on Joel for not telling her.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
Yeah that's probably fair. First season of the show was phenomenal and if that was tied closely to the game then the games narrative for game 1 was probably quite good.


Game 2 clearly sucked ass though. And it sucks because an episode like this weeks really highlights how much potential the show could have had if they didn't follow the horrible writing of the game and ventured off path instead. Especially having an actor like Pedro as your lead, they could have had something brilliant.


Guess that would have upset most of the gamers too much though lol.
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Most gamers hated TLOU Part II and were hoping HBO would ignore it for season 2 and take the story in a completely different direction. This is basically HBO allowing Druckmann to look in a mirror while he's yanking it and cranking it so to speak.
 
Jussi said:
He could've waken her up.
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She was being prepped for surgery LOL. How long do you think it would've taken Joel to wake her up and explain that to her? The Fireflies, Abby's Dr. Father included, are not morally superior here. They made a human sacrifice without consulting the lamb.

You're a big Marvel guy, remember in "Infinity War" when they lightly suggest to just take the Mind Stone out of Vision's head, killing him in the process. Captain America says "We don't trade lives". That's the action of holding yourself to a higher ideal, something a moral group of people do. The Fireflies, in between killing HUNDREDS of people, probably thousands over 20 years, had a 14 year old girl transported across the country just to murder her in hopes of finding a cure. You either see the difference or you don't.

Pretending the Dr. is some saint and that he wasn't prepared to fight to the death to prevent Joel from taking Ellie is being very naive.
 
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x Tame Impala said:
She was being prepped for surgery LOL. How long do you think it would've taken Joel to wake her up and explain that to her? The Fireflies, Abby's Dr. Father included, are not morally superior here. They made a human sacrifice without consulting the lamb.

You're a big Marvel guy, remember in "Infinity War" when they lightly suggest to just take the Mind Stone out of Vision's head, killing him in the process. Captain America says "We don't trade lives". That's the action of holding yourself to a higher ideal, something a moral group of people do. The Fireflies, in between killing HUNDREDS of people, probably thousands over 20 years, had a 14 year old girl transported across the country just to murder her in hopes of finding a cure. You either see the difference or you don't.

Pretending the Dr. is some saint and that he wasn't prepared to fight to the death to prevent Joel from taking Ellie is being very naive.
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I'm just saying it wouldn't have been a fair fight. And the difference to Vision was that Ellie would have given hers. In the show's world, it's a no brainer choice.
 
The whole situation with Ellie reminds me how in the first game, the operating room looks unsanitary and the whole thing looked shady and amateurish.

They retconned that in the second game. The operating room is now clean and the operation looks legitimate. They fleshed out the doctor to show the audience that he was an upstanding citizen.
 
Jussi said:
I'm just saying it wouldn't have been a fair fight. And the difference to Vision was that Ellie would have given hers. In the show's world, it's a no brainer choice.
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If Joel didn't have a gun and he wanted to take Ellie from the doctor, wouldn't the doctor have used the scalpel to prevent Joel from taking her? Is that a fair fight? Scalpel vs fists?

And no, it's not a no-brainer choice. If it were, Joel would have let Ellie, the stranger girl he just met a few months ago, be sacrificed for the greater good. You're way off here brother.
 
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Shockmaster said:
Most gamers hated TLOU Part II and were hoping HBO would ignore it for season 2 and take the story in a completely different direction. This is basically HBO allowing Druckmann to look in a mirror while he's yanking it and cranking it so to speak.
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Makes sense.


The general sentiment I'm starting to get from people that played the games is that while game 1 was amazing, game 2 wasn't nearly as good and particularly the story elements were what made it not good.

Shame. The series had so much potential and they obviously went out and got arguably one of the greatest actors available right now in Pedro to play the role... Could have done so much with it.


But I also get it I guess to want to stick the source material so closely.
 
PeteWorrell said:
The whole situation with Ellie reminds me how in the first game, the operating room looks unsanitary and the whole thing looked shady and amateurish.

They retconned that in the second game. The operating room is now clean and the operation looks legitimate. They fleshed out the doctor to show the audience that he was an upstanding citizen.
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How did they flesh him out? Dialogue while as Abby? And did they re-do that scene in the second game or you just see it after the fact
 
Mr Fahrenheit said:
How did they flesh him out? Dialogue while as Abby? And did they re-do that scene in the second game or you just see it after the fact
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You get multiple flashbacks including a redone scene. Those things will most likely happen during the 3rd season of the show.

At the end of the first game, you felt like what Joel did was morally ambiguous. I dislike that they reframed things in the second game to make you feel that he was a bad guy for doing what he did. It was simply a lot more interesting to me when it was left to the player to judge.
 
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PeteWorrell said:
You get multiple flashbacks including a redone scene. Those things will most likely happen during the 3rd season of the show.

At the end of the first game, you felt like what Joel did was morally ambiguous. I dislike that they reframed things in the second game to make you feel that he was a bad guy for doing what he did. It was simply a lot more interesting to me when it was left to the player to judge.
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You dont think they did it on purpose because the POV changed? I didnt play so just genuinely asking
 
Mr Fahrenheit said:
You dont think they did it on purpose because the POV changed? I didnt play so just genuinely asking
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I simply don't think a sequel was planned at the time. It was a brand new IP and no one knew if the game was going to be a hit or not. So when they decided to make a sequel, they reframed things to try and make the story in the second game work.
 
x Tame Impala said:
If Joel didn't have a gun and he wanted to take Ellie from the doctor, wouldn't the doctor have used the scalpel to prevent Joel from taking her? Is that a fair fight? Scalpel vs fists?

And no, it's not a no-brainer choice. If it were, Joel would have let Ellie, the stranger girl he just met a few months ago, be sacrificed for the greater good. You're way off here brother.
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Well we don't know becasue Joel didn't give him a chance.
 
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