TV: The Last of Us (HBO)

[The Crypto Guy]

even with everything I dislike about the Show..... I'm likely the only one here to actually own it.

View attachment 933305

I didnt know people even still bought DVDs

 

[DaaaaB's]

what do you mean his appearance? you mean his height? that;s really the only thing Danny has going for him.

well what's happening is I'm talking about the things I dislike and your disagreeing with me and the thing is you actually dont know much about this at all other than what u seen in HBO Season 1. they took a 15-20 hour game and compressed it into 9 episodes.

I should also mention I didn't really mind Bella the first watch. I thought she kinda stunk but I wanted to see how it all played out.

my 2nd watch..... she stood out like a sore thumb.


Also I'm glad you like the show. and I hope you dont give up on season 2 and actually watch it. but really you should atleast watch the game on youtube or just play it your self. it's 100x better

I said his appearance wouldn't allow him to do the physicality as in he's out of shape and not muscular.

Frankly, you're not worth arguing with if you think your opinion of this show is worth more because you played the game. Just pure nonsense and quite narcissistic.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Omg man, obviously you would like the game more as is the case for anyone with every adaptation of any book or video game ever. There's been all kinds of books I've read where the movie wasn't as good. It's simply not possible with the time constraints on movies or shows. How many hours did you play the game versus the 10 hours the show was?

Saying it's really not that good is quite the statement considering it's widely acclaimed by fans and critics alike. More like you just can't handle them changing things. That'd be like me saying GOT sucked because the books were better and they changed a few things. The first 4 seasons were still brilliant television though.

the game takes 15-20 hours to complete. they compressed it into 9 hours. what does it matter how long it took me to complete? it's a 15+ hour story. prob 5 hours of exploration throughout the chapters overall.

critic's opinions dont even matter anymore they gave She-Hulk a 9/10 lol
and no I'm saying it's not that good because it's really not that good. Good if you liked it but it kinda sucks compared to the source material. kinda like how alot of Lord Of The Rings fans think Rings Of Power sucks.

GoT's was great till 8th season. 7th was even kinda meh but the Battle Of The Bastards was pretty awesome

like great you liked it, looks like we arent going to agree on that.

I didnt know people even still bought DVDs

4K, and yeah u gotta have the right TV to make it worth it. I'll prob never stop buying movies.
really are great when u have no internet. I got like 500+ blurays and around 70 4K's now

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I said his appearance wouldn't allow him to do the physicality as in he's out of shape and not muscular.

Frankly, you're not worth arguing with if you think your opinion of this show is worth more because you played the game. Just pure nonsense and quite narcissistic.

your opinion matters too but just because you disagree with me doesn't mean I'm wrong. you literally only know what u have seen from HBO. you dont know what your missing. I'm happy you liked it but I can't help but compare to the game and it kinda sucks compared.

I watch the changes and they dont even seem like the same characters anymore

but honestly I don't care if you argue with me or not. I'm going to say what I'm going to say and your either going to agree or disagree.

if you wanna end it there and sure cya

 

[Osprey]

What reasons are there other than his appearance? Too old I guess? Huge reach by you to say he defines actor's by their appearance.

You mean reasons other than his attractiveness? There's his lack of muscles and athleticism, his height (I know that Wolverine was written to be short, but DeVito is really short), his age and his personality. There are many reasons why DeVito might make a poor Wolverine. If you assume that it's just because he isn't "attractive enough" and you also assume that the complaints about Bella are for the same reason, it seems more telling of how you look at things than the person that you're trying to call out.

The guy he's responding to is clearly upset that Bella isn't as attractive as the video game character which is definitely a bit creepy.

Arthur has made it clear that he isn't happy with the show version of Ellie because she doesn't look like Ellie, doesn't behave like Ellie and isn't acted that well by Bella. You and Pierce are ignoring most of that and reaching to say that he's upset because she's not attractive. He hasn't commented on her attractiveness at all and he even suggested that Cailee Spaeny would've made a better Ellie. Spaeny isn't as attractive as the game version of Ellie and is arguably average looking at best, so I think that you're both off base in assuming that attractiveness is important to him. I don't agree with him on several things, either, but I also don't agree with ignoring and twisting what he's saying to make him look like a creep.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

You mean reasons other than his attractiveness? There's his lack of muscles and athleticism, his height (I know that Wolverine was written to be short, but DeVito is really short), his age and his personality. There are many reasons why DeVito might make a poor Wolverine. If you assume that it's just because he isn't "attractive enough" and you also assume that the complaints about Bella are for the same reason, it seems more telling of how you look at things than the person that you're trying to call out.

Arthur has made it clear that he isn't happy with the show version of Ellie because she doesn't look like Ellie, doesn't behave like Ellie and isn't acted that well by Bella. You and Pierce are ignoring most of that and reaching to say that he's upset because she's not attractive. He hasn't commented on her attractiveness at all and he even suggested that Cailee Spaeny would've made a better Ellie. Spaeny isn't as attractive as the game version of Ellie and is arguably average looking at best, so I think that you're both off base in assuming that attractiveness is important to him. I don't agree with him on several things, either, but I also don't agree with ignoring and twisting what he's saying to make him look like a creep.

thank you, and I would hope that not everyone agrees with me, I would rather everyone get to experience the story, the stuff I'm not happy about isn't the end of the world.

I'm going into season 2 open minded and I dont care if it is Bella. after its all said and done I'll likely rewatch later (prob when I buy season 2) and give another opinion towards everything.

I can't help but think some changes would make it SO MUCH BETTER. but it is what it is. I just hope there's more infected in season 2 or atleast more high tension moments where your on the edge of your seat.

 

[DaaaaB's]

You mean reasons other than his attractiveness? There's his lack of muscles and athleticism, his height (I know that Wolverine was written to be short, but DeVito is really short), his age and his personality. There are many reasons why DeVito might make a poor Wolverine. If you assume that it's just because he isn't "attractive enough" and you also assume that the complaints about Bella are for the same reason, it seems more telling of how you look at things than the person that you're trying to call out.

Arthur has made it clear that he isn't happy with the show version of Ellie because she doesn't look like Ellie, doesn't behave like Ellie and isn't acted that well by Bella. You and Pierce are ignoring most of that and reaching to say that he's upset because she's not attractive. He hasn't commented on her attractiveness at all and he even suggested that Cailee Spaeny would've made a better Ellie. Spaeny isn't as attractive as the game version of Ellie and is arguably average looking at best, so I think that you're both off base in assuming that attractiveness is important to him. I don't agree with him on several things, either, but I also don't agree with ignoring and twisting what he's saying to make him look like a creep.

Most of those being included in his appearance which is the word I used not attractive. His age I already said. Personality is debatable. This completely pointless to talk about tho and I wish I left it alone. Was mainly thinking about the height thing since I believe Wolverine was only five feet tall which would be closer to Devito's height.

As far as the Bella complaints, if you want to pretend that there hasn't been thousands online make that complaint about her (not attractive enough) then go right ahead. I'm probably wrong for putting Arthur Morgan in that group though. However, I only said it in one post and most of what I'm disagreeing with him on is him saying her acting is bad and that HBO butchered the show as well him freaking out over every change they make from the game. Plus, he thinks he's more qualified to critique this show because he played the game. If anything it's the opposite since he has a bias built in from playing the game.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Cailee Spaeny looks a lot like Ellie, wow

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Most of those being included in his appearance which is the word I used not attractive. His age I already said. Personality is debatable. This completely pointless to talk about tho and I wish I left it alone. Was mainly thinking about the height thing since I believe Wolverine was only five feet tall which would be closer to Devito's height.

As far as the Bella complaints, if you want to pretend that there hasn't been thousands online make that complaint about her (not attractive enough) then go right ahead. I'm probably wrong for putting Arthur Morgan in that group though. However, I only said it in one post and most of what I'm disagreeing with him on is him saying her acting is bad and that HBO butchered the show as well him freaking out over every change they make from the game. Plus, he thinks he's more qualified to critique this show because he played the game. If anything it's the opposite since he has a bias built in from playing the game.

that's water under the bridge,

imo her acting is bad. she's not a bad actor she's just a bad Ellie imo, also imo HBO butchered what could have been ALOT better imo

never said I was more qualified but you dont know the game so how would you know what I'm saying is wrong or right? you only know what HBO gave us. there's so much missing, so many great moments rushed or skipped

 

[Arthur Morgan]

after watching Alien: Romulus I really think Cailee Spaenly could have been perfect as Ellie. it is what it is. Bella isn't going anywhere but just look how much she looks like Ellie and she was very good an Alien so it's not just some cosplayer

 

[DaaaaB's]

that's water under the bridge,

imo her acting is bad. she's not a bad actor she's just a bad Ellie imo, also imo HBO butchered what could have been ALOT better imo

never said I was more qualified but you dont know the game so how would you know what I'm saying is wrong or right? you only know what HBO gave us. there's so much missing, so many great moments rushed or skipped

The show is great to me and most others regardless. I don't care about what happened in the video game. I already said that almost all adaptations don't live up to the source material if you're a fan of said material. You can still enjoy them though. If you don't like the show that's fine, no one said you're wrong but we're allowed to disagree.

after watching Alien: Romulus I really think Cailee Spaenly could have been perfect as Ellie. it is what it is. Bella isn't going anywhere but just look how much she looks like Ellie and she was very good an Alien so it's not just some cosplayer

Which brings me back to my original point of why does it matter if an actor or actress doesn't closely resemble the character from the source material. Just seems silly to get upset about that.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

The show is great to me and most others regardless. I don't care about what happened in the video game. I already said that almost all adaptations don't live up to the source material if you're a fan of said material. You can still enjoy them though. If you don't like the show that's fine, no one said you're wrong but we're allowed to disagree.

Which brings me back to my original point of why does it matter if an actor or actress doesn't closely resemble the character from the source material. Just seems silly to get upset about that.

because nothing about Bella makes me believe that she's Ellie, in the entire show the only two characters that make me think they are someone else is Ellie and Bill.

you might be right about almost all adaptations not living up to the source material however this is completely different.
the entire point of it becoming a tv show was to show the non-gamers a great story that many love. and it's just not as good,

they could have expanded on scenes like this part in the first episode but instead they skipped alot of great moments, complete sections of the game that took hours were started and finished within an hour or less screen time, there was NO reason to rush the entire first game in 9 episodes


if it was so good why do most of the fans not like it? we're the only reason this became a tv show. if no one cared it would just get pushed aside.

 

[DaaaaB's]

because nothing about Bella makes me believe that she's Ellie, in the entire show the only two characters that make me think they are someone else is Ellie and Bill.

you might be right about almost all adaptations not living up to the source material however this is completely different.
the entire point of it becoming a tv show was to show the non-gamers a great story that many love. and it's just not as good,

they could have expanded on scenes like this part in the first episode but instead they skipped alot of great moments, complete sections of the game that took hours were started and finished within an hour or less screen time, there was NO reason to rush the entire first game in 9 episodes


if it was so good why do most of the fans not like it? we're the only reason this became a tv show. if no one cared it would just get pushed aside.

You're complaining about stuff that happens in every adaptation and while fans of the game might not like the show, a lot of people clearly do. Anyways, This seems to have run it's course.

 

[zombie kopitar]

Both of ya'll have valid points and are also arguing in circles and nonsense. Arthur has been talking about this through the whole thread, his gatekeeping as a game purist is indeed a bit tiresome. But also, his criticisms of Bella/Ellie are fair, because it's arguably the most notable shift in style from the game to screen.
End of the day they are both good pieces of work that can stand on their own, and also if you want to nitpick juxtapose them, that's fine too I guess

 

[Arthur Morgan]

You're complaining about stuff that happens in every adaptation and while fans of the game might not like the show, a lot of people clearly do. Anyways, This seems to have run it's course.

too bad those people only know what they see on HBO. it's a great story so it's not crazy that people who dont know what they are watching would really like it.

and no this hasn't even come close to running it's course. Season 2 will be airing sometime in 2025. so we will see the people who are here for the story or for Pedro Pascal fairly quickly. I'd say by episode 2 or maybe 3 half the people stop watching

 

[Jovavic]

Spoilers about season 2

Spoiler

If the show follows the flow of the game, Joel will still show up in flashbacks so even after he gets got, Pascal will still be around

 

[x Tame Impala]

Spoilers about season 2

Spoiler

If the show follows the flow of the game, Joel will still show up in flashbacks so even after he gets got, Pascal will still be around

Spoiler

That part of the game where Joel and Ellie go through the museum was very touching.

 

[Osprey]

and no this hasn't even come close to running it's course. Season 2 will be airing sometime in 2025. so we will see the people who are here for the story or for Pedro Pascal fairly quickly. I'd say by episode 2 or maybe 3 half the people stop watching

Honestly, this is also getting tiresome. You don't need to say this over and over and over again. It also doesn't make sense, especially since you've argued repeatedly that those who haven't played the game don't understand why gamers care so much about the characters. If they don't have the same attachment to the characters that you do, why should they become so upset at what happens to them? You weren't upset enough to stop playing the second game, despite your attachment, so why expect them to be too upset to finish the second season? Besides, a lot are probably Game of Thrones fans who didn't quit on that show each time that it happened. What you're doing is equivalent to someone who read the GoT novels predicting that half of the audience for the show would stop watching after the Red Wedding episode. Obviously, that didn't happen, and the following season even saw a huge increase in viewership. Fans of prestige TV, and HBO shows in particular, tend to love shocking developments that make the worlds feel real and throw plot armor out of the window.

Spoiler

You also suggest that people are only watching the show for Pedro Pascal. It's likely true that he drew in viewers for Season 1, but that doesn't mean that they're just going to quit on the show a few episodes into Season 2 because he's no longer around. Most are probably now hooked by the production quality, world building and Ellie's growth as a character, and will now stay for those things, especially since the removal of her father figure and protector should have a profound effect on her and make the world a lot more dangerous for her. People who didn't play the second game will be interested to see how she handles it. It's possible that his absence will end up hurting the show in the eyes of many and a chunk of people won't return for Season 3, but that would be a legitimate criticism about the declining quality of the show due to his absence, not a kneejerk reaction to the absence, itself.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Honestly, this is also getting tiresome. You don't need to say this over and over and over again. It also doesn't make sense, especially since you've argued repeatedly that those who haven't played the game don't understand why gamers care so much about the characters. If they don't have the same attachment to the characters that you do, why should they become so upset at what happens to them? You weren't upset enough to stop playing the second game, despite your attachment, so why expect them to be too upset to finish the second season? Besides, a lot are probably Game of Thrones fans who didn't quit on that show each time that it happened. What you're doing is equivalent to someone who read the GoT novels predicting that half of the audience for the show would stop watching after the Red Wedding episode. Obviously, that didn't happen, and the following season even saw a huge increase in viewership. Fans of prestige TV, and HBO shows in particular, tend to love shocking developments that make the worlds feel real and throw plot armor out of the window.

Spoiler

You also suggest that people are only watching the show for Pedro Pascal. It's likely true that he drew in viewers for Season 1, but that doesn't mean that they're just going to quit on the show a few episodes into Season 2 because he's no longer around. Most are probably now hooked by the production quality, world building and Ellie's growth as a character, and will now stay for those things, especially since the removal of her father figure and protector should have a profound effect on her and make the world a lot more dangerous for her. People who didn't play the second game will be interested to see how she handles it. It's possible that his absence will end up hurting the show in the eyes of many and a chunk of people won't return for Season 3, but that would be a legitimate criticism about the declining quality of the show due to his absence, not a kneejerk reaction to the absence, itself.

Ill just spoiler the whole thing

Spoiler

I was more so meaning this is a Pedro Pascal show. if he wasn't part of the show it likely wouldn't have gotten as big of a following beyond the gamers. Last Of Us 2 came out in 2020 and people are still bitching about it. so I can only assume the same is going to happen.
who knows maybe this time it doesn;t effect it at all. you very well could be right people might stick around to see more world building and how it all plays out. I just have to question once Pedro is gone will they stick around? with as long of a break between Season 1 and 2, if Pedro is killed in the first episode it might piss people off again, they have put a very high tempo on this show and I can see the 1st episode covering it or if not the 2nd, I apologize if you find what Ive been saying tiresome, I'm only giving my thoughts. it's not like I want this show to fail, it's actually the complete opposite. I just really think there's going to be a big falling off. not everyone will quit on it but good chance many do.