The Islanders aren't boring

[CharasLazyWrister]

i don't know if anyone is not giving Trotz credit for throwing all his chips into a boring defensive game. this thread is just about how BORING that approach is..

I am with you. Completely. I think they’re a very boring team to watch much of the time.

 

[ElLeetch]

And your lame excuse for them having beaten Tampa twice in the last four games is....?

They won 1/3 of their games vs tampa this series. Thats not gonna be enough.

 

[Anisimovs AK]

I wonder.

Team A has five great players, five good players, and ten average, but is missing on or two of the great ones.

Team B has three really good players, five good players, and twelve average, but is missing one or two of the really good ones.

Which team feels the loss more?

Since when is Cizikas one of the Islanders three really good players? Im all for logical reaches but come on

 

[Anisimovs AK]

A mega boring insomnia cure!

So scoring goals is boring?

 

[Merrrlin]

The cup finals just became a hell of a lot more watchable.

 

[doublechili]

The cup finals just became a hell of a lot more watchable.

Are you Dom Lyscysznezsenyshyn by any chance?

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

The cup finals just became a hell of a lot more watchable.

I really wanted Vegas Tampa out of the final 4 but this was EASILY number two. thank god.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Both, it's a total.



Because it's not relevant if you're already looking at shot attempts.



It addresses the untrue statement: "No lopsided scores, but lots of tight, close games decided late."

The Islanders actually play fewer tight games than the field. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not a point in their favor.

Total is irrelevant, what is the forced?

Not true. Most obviously the 'shots' you quote are shots by the Isles, and I don't think anyone believes that most of the Isles blocks are on their own shots.

Four of the last five were one-goal games. How can you see that as 'not close'?

But please, continue to ignore most of my points and erroneously distort the rest.

 

[dlawong]

I'm not sure I understand the point of this thread or why Islander fans have to crusade against their team being called boring. People find your team boring, so what? You're one of the three remaining teams left. Just enjoy the ride and let other people have their opinions

They played that way because of the system. They are told to only shoot when they have high % percentage plays and also a lot of dump and chase is encouraged. Some of their players were way more productive prior to Trotz, but it also, unfortunately, result in their bad D coverage.

Trotz system works well but it is boring. The only reason why Caps were not boring is just one name - OV. He alone has that much entertainment value. I do remember when Trotz was coaching Nashville back then, I felt sleep in watching each Nashville series. If NHL can somehow FIX and let Isles win a couple of 1st overall back to back lottery picks should they fail to make post seasons then maybe this Isles team will become more exciting to watch.

When Isles was under Cappy, he allows them to play open season and even Bailey was able to score 5 points in a couple of those games. However, the D was horrible back then and the goaltending was subpar so they can't win.

Want to watch an exciting team - you can't go wrong with Oilers, Canucks, Carolina, Avs, and Tampa. These teams have quite a few elite young stars and they value offense more than defense. Toronto is ok, but their bottom 2 lines are kind of boring and the top line is not as exciting as those five teams I just mentioned.

 

[notDatsyuk]

The Islanders are losing.

Yes, they lost, after having gone farther than all but two teams.

 

[notDatsyuk]

They won 1/3 of their games vs tampa this series. Thats not gonna be enough.

So no answer?

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Hockey is boring. Thanks, Bettman.

 

[Roo Returns]

Rangers fan here in peace..I'm also a huge hockey fan. Winning is fun and there are many ways to do it. The Islanders are not a boring team. You win and have success and it doesn't have to razzle dazzle. They have some very skilled guys in their top 6.

My team took the same criticism during the Torts Years with all the shotblocking.

When your team goes through a very dark period like the Rangers did from 98-04 AKA The Dark Ages, or the Islanders did with Milburry/Spano and then a lot of the bump and hiccups from like 08-2018 (although they had some playoff appearances and success) you appreciate a blue collar team that works.

It may not get you all the way but it's something to be proud of.

Islanders need a PMD badly to add another flavour to their blueline IMHO.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Since when is Cizikas one of the Islanders three really good players? Im all for logical reaches but come on

I didn't specifically mention him - it was inteded as a geneic question.

But while not necessary top in talent, he is one of their best players.

 

[dlawong]

Rangers fan here in peace..I'm also a huge hockey fan. Winning is fun and there are many ways to do it. The Islanders are not a boring team. You win and have success and it doesn't have to razzle dazzle. They have some very skilled guys in their top 6.

My team took the same criticism during the Torts Years with all the shotblocking.

When your team goes through a very dark period like the Rangers did from 98-04 AKA The Dark Ages, or the Islanders did with Milburry/Spano and then a lot of the bump and hiccups from like 08-2018 (although they had some playoff appearances and success) you appreciate a blue collar team that works.

It may not get you all the way but it's something to be proud of.

Islanders need a PMD badly to add another flavour to their blueline IMHO.

Thanks for the comment from a rival fan.

I think that guy is Dobson in waiting. You ever watched him in Memorial Cups and WJC games? If you ever did, you will know what I mean. It will be a matter of time all that potential will show. They also have another one in Wilde who can skate, pass & shoot. He just needs to learn to focus better, especially on details & learn how to stick check better.

I am usually very good at ID success talents early. I wrote to Al McInnis in his first pro NHL year and told him that if he keeps improving he will win SC and be an MVP one day. I remember that he really struggled during his 1st pro season even when he had all the tools.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Total is irrelevant, what is the forced?

Total’s the best you’re gonna get, because “forced turnovers” isn’t a stat.

Not true. Most obviously the 'shots' you quote are shots by the Isles, and I don't think anyone believes that most of the Isles blocks are on their own shots.

No, the shots metric means total shot attempts by both teams in games played by the Isles. Adding blocks would be double-counting those attempts.

Four of the last five were one-goal games. How can you see that as 'not close'?

I don’t know how it can be any plainer — the Isles didn’t play in close of games any more often than their opponents. The only difference was the Isles games featured less action.

In any case it’s academic now, because we won’t be seeing them again till next season. Whenever that is.

 

[Roo Returns]

I think that guy is Dobson in waiting. You ever watched him in Memorial Cups and WJC? If you, you will know what I saw. It will be a matter of time. They also have another one in Wilde who can skate, pass & shoot. He just needs to learn to focus better & learn how to stick check better.

That is fair. It's all about how they translate it to the NHL level.

Pullock is an example. I remember talking to friends who are Islanders fans and it went from "hey we just drafted the next Al MaCinnis" to "this guy is gonna bust he can't stay healthy" to "alright alright alright, he's a solid middle six DMan."

 

[dlawong]

I didn't specifically mention him - it was inteded as a geneic question.

But while not necessary top in talent, he is one of their best players.

He has consistently been their best plus-minus player and when he plays, more pucks ends up in the o zone. He may not score a lot of goals but he can dish and he is one of their fastest forwards who works the hardest on the team at both ends. He probably would have scored more goals too if he did not have that bad hand injury requiring surgery in his last junior year.

 

[dlawong]

That is fair. It's all about how they translate it to the NHL level.

Pullock is an example. I remember talking to friends who are Islanders fans and it went from "hey we just drafted the next Al MaCinnis" to "this guy is gonna bust he can't stay healthy" to "alright alright alright, he's a solid middle six DMan."

Pulock is not MacInnis as he did not broke Orr's junior record in OHL like Al did and I did not even know much about him in junior as he never made to the junior national team. Dobson will not be MacInnis either, but he has better overall tools than Pulock (better skater, passer, shots more accurately & sees the ice better, and can think faster). He will be there but he needs to put all that tools together at the NHL level and be really determined as that persistence and mental toughness is what will bring one up to that next level.

 

[Howie Hodge]

"The Islanders aren't boring?"

For those that think The Islanders are interesting, you'll also love this book:

The sequel, while not as informative, may well interest you as well.

 

[Oddbob]

So scoring goals is boring?

The way they scored their goals and played the game in general was boring. Also they were among the leaders during the most boring section of NHL hockey ever invented during dead puck, so not exactly something to be all happy about.

 

[Chimpradamus]

It's great for hockey that the Islanders were finally eliminated. NYI vs DAL in the finals would have something like 30 shots on net in total for the whole series. Seeing those two teams against eachother would even make baseball exciting in comparison.

 

[HTFN]

It's great for hockey that the Islanders were finally eliminated. NYI vs DAL in the finals would have something like 30 shots on net in total for the whole series. Seeing those two teams against eachother would even make baseball exciting in comparison.

Might see more runs in a baseball game than shots between those teams.

 

[BlueDream]

If you have to make a long post like that trying to convince people otherwise, then yes they are boring.

 

[flying squirrel]

Islanders don't need to prove anything to nobody; they play a very discipline game, play hard, have one of the best coaches in the NHL, and this almost got them to the finals.
Lightning have 2 cup final appearance & 4 EFC final appearances these past 6 years, and there's no shame losing in 6 to a team like this

It stings now Isle fans, but be proud of what your team did this season, heck of a deep run
Don't let the haters ruin it