The insanity needs to stop this offseason barring a miracle.

[Gary Nylund]

there depth lead them further then our stars but again not reaching the ultimate goal, and therefore are not really a model to look at or emulate. they lost all 7 years under Lou just like us. and I don't believe for a second Lou would have done much better at re-signing our stars, look at the Marleau/Zaitsev/Komorov(NYI)/Engvall/Barzal contracts. I mean since moving to NYI how many good long term contracts has Lou made?

Not just like us, no. They won a bunch of playoff rounds, that's not nothing. As for resigning our stars, maybe he doesn't? Maybe instead, he trades Marner after losing to MTL and completely reshapes the team, ever think of that?

 

[ITM]

It will be interesting to see what takes shape on or after July 1.

Patrick Kane's production trails off around 33. In an eight-year deal for Marner, years 6-8 are likely a sharp drop-off.

In a four-year deal, they might be justifiable, provided Morgan Reilly is moved. In that instance, we enter a scenario that doesn't see: Bennett and Ehlers coming in for Marner's money. We likely see a deal that brings in Marner and Bennett for Reilly's offset. The latter is more palatable to me. At the end of the day in that model, we're talking a difference of about a million in an ideal situation. That is:

Would we sign Marner to $12M? Yes. Do we want to lose him for a $1M more? Likely no. Moreover, when considering Ehlers is a quarter the player Marner is in the playoffs.

Just need to irrationally vent on my memo to acquire Zetterlund, seeing he went less than for what Laughton was acquired for but would be a Knies type insertion for less than what Knies is about to make.

 

[OddyOh]

Well we could build through the draft as I have been saying for the past 20 years but once again we have no first round picks for two years lol. The problem with this organization is its inability to build and develop players.

Agreed. It would be nice to not always be the ones overpaying for mediocre free agents and trade bait, instead promoting from a properly stocked farm system. Unfortunately (?) they’re in win-now mode, so they won’t be focused on the draft for a few more first round exits…I mean playoff runs.

 

[Commander Clueless]

It will be interesting to see what takes shape on or after July 1.

Patrick Kane's production trails off around 33. In an eight-year deal for Marner, years 6-8 are likely a sharp drop-off.

In a four-year deal, they might be justifiable, provided Morgan Reilly is moved. In that instance, we enter a scenario that doesn't see: Bennett and Ehlers coming in for Marner's money. We likely see a deal that brings in Marner and Bennett for Reilly's offset. The latter is more palatable to me. At the end of the day in that model, we're talking a difference of about a million in an ideal situation. That is:

Would we sign Marner to $12M? Yes. Do we want to lose him for a $1M more? Likely no. Moreover, when considering Ehlers is a quarter the player Marner is in the playoffs.

Just need to irrationally vent on my memo to acquire Zetterlund, seeing he went less than for what Laughton was acquired for but would be a Knies type insertion for less than what Knies is about to make.

In this market, with only a few high end players available and a lot of teams with cap space...Marner is going to have offers in the Draisaitl range I think.

Will he choose that or Toronto? That's up to him.

I will say there is also a very good chance Marner walks and we also strike out on the few high end players available. Again, a lot of buyers with space and not a ton of pieces. That's even if players like Bennett and Ehlers aren't just extended.

Pretty decent chance we're a far worse team next season.

Anyway, no time to focus on that now. Let's just hope they win this year, eh? ....right?


.....right?

 

[thewave]

It will be interesting to see what takes shape on or after July 1.

Patrick Kane's production trails off around 33. In an eight-year deal for Marner, years 6-8 are likely a sharp drop-off.

In a four-year deal, they might be justifiable, provided Morgan Reilly is moved. In that instance, we enter a scenario that doesn't see: Bennett and Ehlers coming in for Marner's money. We likely see a deal that brings in Marner and Bennett for Reilly's offset. The latter is more palatable to me. At the end of the day in that model, we're talking a difference of about a million in an ideal situation. That is:

Would we sign Marner to $12M? Yes. Do we want to lose him for a $1M more? Likely no. Moreover, when considering Ehlers is a quarter the player Marner is in the playoffs.

Just need to irrationally vent on my memo to acquire Zetterlund, seeing he went less than for what Laughton was acquired for but would be a Knies type insertion for less than what Knies is about to make.

Marner isn't very quick. It could happen sooner. Look at Morgan. Think Morgan, he has that baby and boy oh boy millions secured with a team that doesn't care about buying guys out. You could easy street off this team just like Mo is about to. Showing the kids the way, the way.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Let's not forget Leafs like to give away assets for vets while their players, own rentals walk for free. Their ineptitude is epic in any sport. Even the Cubbies won.

but Cleveland Indians still haven't. Almost 80 years for them.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Not really. The best option was to trade Marner after the MTL bs. That would have got us a haul and a half. We could have fixed the D etc. Fired Dubas then as well.

They should have fired Keefe after that debaukle. That is the real problem here. The coaching especially after that series loss became trying not to lose instead of trying to win. We still see it at time with this group. Everyone points to Florida well remember they almost missed the playoffs that first year they went to the finals because they were wildly inconsistant. That happens whe you change the culture of the team. Lets see how these moves look at the end of the season. First round exit again then let Mitch walk and Tavares. They will still have 2 top 20 forwards in the game if they do that with lots of cap space to fill holes.

 

[darrylsittler27]

but Cleveland Indians still haven't. Almost 80 years for them.

Cleveland ain't the centre of the baseball universe. No team with as much money as Toronto has lost so much money by not winning while openly self destructive and helping other teams so much. It would just be too obvious.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Cleveland ain't the centre of the baseball universe.

neither were the Cubs who the poster was refering to.

 

[darrylsittler27]

neither were the Cubs who the poster was refering to.

See above . Lame duck argument. Claiming success by referring to teams without the money.

 

[thewave]

See above . Lame duck argument. Claiming success by referring to teams without the money.

The cup always comes back to us at the HHoF. We need to just have Stanley cup parade day in Toronto and put it in the pope mobile for a spin around the town.

 

[The Shadow]

Did he really say that? Holy moley, and here I thought Marner was the one who sounds like an idiot with a microphone in front of him.

Unreal.


They exceeded expectations, by a lot! As a fan, IMHO that's all you can ask for really.

He 100% said that

 

[thewave]

Matthews is a big time loser. He’s a rich loser but still a loser. What kind of captain ever says ‘I guess we expected an easier night’ after being pummeled by Las Vegas - a perennial contender????

How dumb do you have to be to expect an easy night against a contending team.

He should never have been captain. You need someone who has that win at all costs mentality like a Brady Tkachuk who despite having never won a cup anyone can tell this guy has the passion and will to do whatever it takes and I would bet any money he will win at least a cup or two in his career. He was just dealt a bad hand by being drafted to a terribly run team

What a brutal thing to say for a captain. That's like some shit a Captain would say before he is shown the door.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

He 100% said that

Yup.

Excellent example set by Captain Groper McPornstache.

 

[Niagara Bill]

And what can Laughton deliver that Minten and Greybonkin couldn't.
To me he looks like another Domi, home boy, time to play one in 3 games.
Not scoring? Not hitting? Not even a shutdown center, I thought they paid Kampf to do that,
Not defensive play, he is a big minus. Cannot even say he os a minir Braden Schenn.
Maybe he can play better music in the room Reaves, although I am guessing Reaves is playing some highly important role for Shanny.

 

[Leafs87]

We also need to stop trading 1st like candy. I don’t think it’s entirely out of the realm of possibility to think we may become a bottom feeder within the next 3-4 years. Obviously depends on Marners decision, but if he leaves and Matthews doesn’t rebound, we’re in real trouble starting as early as next season. I know the picks are top 5 protected, but losing a 6-10 pick for Carlo/Laughton will still sting.

 

[Gary Nylund]

He 100% said that

Yeah it was a rhetorical question, I never doubted you. Mind blowing stuff.

Matthews drives me crazy. One on hane, he's a Hart/Lindsay trophy winner, one of the greatest goal scorers ever to play the game, very strong on both sides of the puck, hard to ask for a better #1 centre. He was playing as well as I've ever seen him play against Boston last spring and I thought OK maybe now the dreams start to come true and ... he gets injured. He's inconsistent, it's hard to tell when he's injured and when he isn't, very rarely have we seen him raise his level of play in the playoffs, doesn't seem like captain material (doesn't seem to inspire/motivate his teammates), and now he says something this over the top unbelievably stupid, WTF??!?

This franchise is cursed. That's not a rational explanation, but I can't come up with anything else. FML.

 

[notDatsyuk]

The mistake was giving Nylander $11.5 on the assumption that his 99-point season would be the norm going forward. Though he's scoring this season, he's likely going to finish around 75-80 points... Which means he's regressed back to his mean. And now because of that, Marner's floor is $12 million, because there is no universe you can justify paying Marner less than Nylander.

And don't even get me started on the current iteration of Matthews at $13 million... Ugh.

You think he'll only get 9 points in the next 18 games?

For the season he's on pace for 85, and at his pace over the last 5 games he would end up at 91.

Last three seasons he has produced 80, 87, and 98, so his mean is 75-80?

Even ignoring the fact that goals are worth more than assists, Marner should at best come between Nylander's $11.5 and Rantanen's $12.

 

[mikeyz]

Title tl;dr

Even more proof that fans like you are part of the problem and 1 of the reasons this team has had the lack of success they’ve had over the last decade. You just accept the status quo and the mediocrity 1st round loss after 1st round loss year after year with a 2nd round ass kicking sprinkled in somewhere

If you actually took the time to read it, you would realize that the OP is absolutely right.

 

[mikeyz]

Yes, repeating the same thing over and over again is considered whining.
There anyone that isn't aware of their playoff record? You find the topic fresh and insightful?

Well, get used to the repeating until this team actually goes on an extended playoff run and proves something. (ECF at the minimum)

 

[ACC1224]

Well, get used to the repeating until this team actually goes on an extended playoff run and proves something. (ECF at the minimum)

I wouldn't expect anything less, the ignorant are always the loudest.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Just let em walk outbid the oilers for mcdavid if they dont extend him

That is a pretty big IF.

This isn’t EA NHL

 

[thewave]

I wouldn't expect anything less, the ignorant are always the loudest.

How many cups? How many years? It seems maybe those in the know have been the ignorant and those that are so called ignorant were the wiser.

If this year fails what will happen? More appeal to authority and excuses.

 

[mikeyz]

I wouldn't expect anything less, the ignorant are always the loudest.

Lol. Tell me you’re happy with just making the playoffs and losing in the 1st round year after year without telling me you’re happy with just making the playoffs and losing in the 1st round year after year.

 

[mikeyz]

TLDR, tried to skim it.

Never ceases to amaze me that the solution to our problems is to run our best player out of town and “rebuild” around a couple of losers just because they signed first.

You didn’t read the whole thing and are “Pro 1 playoff round win in 10 years core”.

Quelle surprise. Lol.