NigerianNightmare
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What about Johannesburg? Give Russia's spot to the hosts, Team SA.
We'll see some of the highest scoring games ever.
We'll see some of the highest scoring games ever.
The IIHF Council has decided to withdraw the hosting rights of the 2023 Worlds from Russia
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I think it would be a nice option, but the team needs to avoid relegation first.
Fjorden
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They only have Putin to blame for this. He started this war slaughtering their neighbour.
No one would have showed up anyway as the situtation is now, and the next year.
Where would our game be if we acted the same in the past and banned every IIHF member for their invasions/attrocities?
Hockey would be in a much worse place.
Look at the Summit Series, Look at Miracle on Ice. What about Argentina over GB in '86; Iran over US in '98 Word Cup; Czechoslovakia over USSR in '72.
Athletics serve as an opportunity to win battles without killing people. It sets up 'good v bad guy' scenarios that draws massive public interest (which is great for the game). Players play for something greater than themselves/country. People strongly emotionally invested in a conflict have an outlet that doesn't result in death and misery.
But alas, modern cancel culture wins the day.
Hockey would be in a much worse place.
Look at the Summit Series, Look at Miracle on Ice. What about Argentina over GB in '86; Iran over US in '98 Word Cup; Czechoslovakia over USSR in '72.
Athletics serve as an opportunity to win battles without killing people. It sets up 'good v bad guy' scenarios that draws massive public interest (which is great for the game). Players play for something greater than themselves/country. People strongly emotionally invested in a conflict have an outlet that doesn't result in death and misery.
But alas, modern cancel culture wins the day.
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Lol this ain't cancel culture there is an actual war happening where tens of thousands of civilians are factually getting slaughtered without just cause. I think it's pretty appropriate and even those on the right are against anything Russia now. This isn't the same as Putin saying he hates gays.
Jussi
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Would you say it was a mistake to cancel the 1940 games in Germany?
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Where would our game be if we acted the same in the past and banned every IIHF member for their invasions/attrocities?
Hockey would be in a much worse place.
Look at the Summit Series, Look at Miracle on Ice. What about Argentina over GB in '86; Iran over US in '98 Word Cup; Czechoslovakia over USSR in '72.
Athletics serve as an opportunity to win battles without killing people. It sets up 'good v bad guy' scenarios that draws massive public interest (which is great for the game). Players play for something greater than themselves/country. People strongly emotionally invested in a conflict have an outlet that doesn't result in death and misery.
But alas, modern cancel culture wins the day.
Gold Standard
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I would just say sure, Russia, go ahead and appeal to the CAS. but doing so we'll just tack on another decade to your ban from participation in and hosting of IIHF events.
If only I were in charge.
Mathieukferland
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I live here and though not numerous British hockey supporters are very passionate; hold the games in Nottingham and Sheffield and you’d get very good attendance for the GB and Canada games
By 1940 the World Championships were impossible to hold. Global powers were directly at war with each other by then.
It’s quite different than the typical proxy wars superpowers have engaged each-other in since.
Miracle on Ice is a good counter-example to the IIHF’s current ridiculousness.
1980 is our country’s most unifying, inspirational and patriotic sporting moment. We all came together as Americans for something other than war. THE political backdrop was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Yet this moment likely doesn’t occur had the IIHF been in cancel culture mode like it is today.
After invading Poland in September 1939 Germany explicitly declared its readiness to go ahead with hosting the 1940 games as planned. And not only that, but preferably also take over the next edition. Yet it all was canceled.
The Soviets were in Afghanistan fighting on the side of the Afghan government against Islamist (and Maoist) insurgents. Regardless of how you wish to rate the various 1980s Olympic boycotts, their context was much more complex and less black and white than the genocidal invasion we are witnessing now.
Jussi
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SantosHalper
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I would like to see more exotic host country, since this tournament is a license to print money this could help smallers ice hockey associations.
Austria, they would first have to stay in top level but Austrian hockey is on the rise(Rossi, Kasper). Austria has hosted the tournament 7 times before 1930, 1964(Olympics), 1967, 1977, 1987, 1996 and 2005. 2 biggest arenas, OlympiaWorld Innsbruck(7,200 or 10,000) and Erste Bank Arena(7,000)
Norway has been on the top level since 2005, they have hosted the tournament in 1952(Olympics), 1958 and 1999. Two biggest arenas CC Amfi(7,500) and Nye Jordal Amfi(5,300),only problem that they don't have bigger arenas.
Italy has the same problem as Austria they have to stay on the top level. But arena situation is good in Italy Pala Alpitour(12,350 or 14,350) and PalaOnda(7,200). Italy also going to host the Olympics again so might be good time to test the facilities. Italy has hosted 3 time before 1934, 1956(Olympics) and 1994.
England, this should be fun to start a small hockey boom in England. They have hosted twice before 1936(olympics) and 1950. Two biggest arenas, Manchester Arena(17,643) and Sheffield Arena(9,300).
Slovenia just won the Division 1 tournament, so they are not in danger to drop in the lower level. And Anze Kopitar would be fantastic ambassador for this tournament, he could tell all his fellow NHL players how great place his country is and passioned the fans are. They did host the tournament once, when they were part of Yugoslavia in 1966. Only problem is that the arenas, Tivoli Hall(7,000) and Podmežakla Hall(4,500) are awfully small.
Tournament in New York? Nassau Coliseum? or in Arizona, Glendale arena? More NHL players would participate if the tournament would be in North America.
Austria, they would first have to stay in top level but Austrian hockey is on the rise(Rossi, Kasper). Austria has hosted the tournament 7 times before 1930, 1964(Olympics), 1967, 1977, 1987, 1996 and 2005. 2 biggest arenas, OlympiaWorld Innsbruck(7,200 or 10,000) and Erste Bank Arena(7,000)
Norway has been on the top level since 2005, they have hosted the tournament in 1952(Olympics), 1958 and 1999. Two biggest arenas CC Amfi(7,500) and Nye Jordal Amfi(5,300),only problem that they don't have bigger arenas.
Italy has the same problem as Austria they have to stay on the top level. But arena situation is good in Italy Pala Alpitour(12,350 or 14,350) and PalaOnda(7,200). Italy also going to host the Olympics again so might be good time to test the facilities. Italy has hosted 3 time before 1934, 1956(Olympics) and 1994.
England, this should be fun to start a small hockey boom in England. They have hosted twice before 1936(olympics) and 1950. Two biggest arenas, Manchester Arena(17,643) and Sheffield Arena(9,300).
Slovenia just won the Division 1 tournament, so they are not in danger to drop in the lower level. And Anze Kopitar would be fantastic ambassador for this tournament, he could tell all his fellow NHL players how great place his country is and passioned the fans are. They did host the tournament once, when they were part of Yugoslavia in 1966. Only problem is that the arenas, Tivoli Hall(7,000) and Podmežakla Hall(4,500) are awfully small.
Tournament in New York? Nassau Coliseum? or in Arizona, Glendale arena? More NHL players would participate if the tournament would be in North America.
Norway shouldn't even be entertained as an option for as long as their arena situation is so terrible.
I'd like to see Austria as a host, but their arena options are also not great. Technically there's the large Wiener Stadthalle but at least in 2005 they couldn't accommodate more than 8,000 for hockey – no clue if that has changed.
Regardless, if Austria was to host the tournament, I'd prefer to see them co-host it together with either Slovakia (Bratislava), Hungary (Budapest) or Slovenia (Ljubljana). Regarding the latter you forgot about Arena Stožice which hosted Division 1A in 2012 with a capacity of 10,500.
Nassau Coliseum's remote location would make it a terrible site for a tournament like this. You should be able to get to the venue by public transport. That certainly is the case here in Tampere, which is why I think we might have a decent case for hosting next year's event too.
The problem here is that as a relatively small city our hotel capacity doesn't quite match the needs of IIHF Worlds. The hotel prices for late May this year are ridiculous.
NigerianNightmare
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Argentina over England, not GB, to be precise.Where would our game be if we acted the same in the past and banned every IIHF member for their invasions/attrocities?
Hockey would be in a much worse place.
Look at the Summit Series, Look at Miracle on Ice. What about Argentina over GB in '86; Iran over US in '98 Word Cup; Czechoslovakia over USSR in '72.
Athletics serve as an opportunity to win battles without killing people. It sets up 'good v bad guy' scenarios that draws massive public interest (which is great for the game). Players play for something greater than themselves/country. People strongly emotionally invested in a conflict have an outlet that doesn't result in death and misery.
But alas, modern cancel culture wins the day.
I've read that Europe still pays Russia about a billion US$ per day for oil & gas.
So this means that doing business is alright, but when it comes to sports, innocent athletes and fans must suffer.
Just imagine if they followed the same logic in the Cold War times? We would have no Summit Series, Canada Cups, club Superseries and Edmonton Oilers vs Red Army Club to discuss about. Sad...
I'd argue the bigger problem with Italy is that there's hardly any interest in hockey. In Bozen some, sure, but even there the Italian national team is going to get a lukewarm reception.
Fjorden
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Norway has Håkons Hall in Lillehammer with 10.000 seats.
Norway also has Telenor arena in Oslo with 15.000 seats. And Trondheim spektrum with 9000 seats.
The two arenas above are not permanent ice rinks. But rinks can be made as they did in Denmark WC in 2018 in Copenhagen and Herning.
Here is a link on how they solved it in Denmark in WC2018 in Herning.
Of course those arenas aren't suited for hockey on regular basis since it is unpractical if you've to change surface often. But for a tournament that takes three weeks it's just fine.
SantosHalper
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I missed this one, arena situation is decent then in Slovenia. They would also have time to remodel them a bit.
Forget New York then. What about Texas? Houston & San Antonio, Toyota Center in Houston and AT&T Center in SA. USA Hockey should sell the idea to that billionaire who wants a hockey team in Houston, could be a great opportunity to start a hockey boom in Houston
If Finland host's next year too, secondary location should be changed. Turku is good place for it.
I don't see that problem. WHC tournament in Italy would attract lot of tourists from other part of Europe and NA.
Oslo and Lillehammer would be perfect, last year in Riga the secondary place wasn't a permanent ice rink either. If they can make them, how come Norway hasn't applied?
The Olympics were a much bigger event and included NHL players, yet we had games like the quarterfinal Switzerland vs. Sweden with 2,970 spectators in Turin. Some group stage games involving top teams had even less than that.
SantosHalper
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And Slovakia - Kazakhstan group stage game had 9,160 spectators, which had highest attendance in the entire tournament. 1994 WHC tournament in Italy, semifinal game Canada - Sweden had 10,000 spectators.
Im confident that tournament in Italy would draw players and tourists. Covid restrictions are over and people are starting to travel again.
