Blue Jays Discussion: The Good-bye Loup Version

[kb]

his own team refused to play him.

Just like Osuna you mean?

 

[Walshy7]

hey we got a "prospect" back older than Osuna who stinks in AAA and has a bum shoulder.

hilarious.

If Anthopolous made this exact deal you would be laughing how great a return we got. You spend your entire time shitting on Shapiro on this board it really didn’t matter what this return was.

Trade is
Toronto trades
1 massive piece of shit

Houston trades
1 big piece of shit
2 long shot prospects

 

[phillipmike]

 

[TootooTrain]

Not bad. Better than I thought we'd get if im honest.

 

[Cor]

Wow, so Paulino used to be the Astro's 3rd best prospect and 44th ranked in the entire league but dropped due to his suspension?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

All things considered that isn't bad. I still would have just kept him but I can accept that I suppose.

 

[The Nemesis]

MLB.com has Hector Perez at 10, and David Paulino at 23 on the Astro's top 30

Fangraphs has Perez at #5 and Paulino doesn't appear to be listed, but was #6 on last year's Houston list.

 

[Kurtz]

Wow, so Paulino used to be the Astro's 3rd best prospect and 44th ranked in the entire league but dropped due to his suspension?

The drop makes sense - we don't know how much PEDs pumped up his performance.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

So the Jays were aware of certain offield issues with Osuna entering the off-season according to reports and didn't proactively try to trade him in the off season? I'll wait to see the rest of the return, but I'm less than sanguine about our front offices at times passive asset management.

 

[metafour]

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Paulino could get a shot in the rotation before the year is out realistically.

 

[Cor]

I like this deal.


I love Osuna as a ball player.


But I like this deal.

 

[Woodman19]

That's actually a great value trade. Paulino is a mid rotation starter with 5 years of control, Perez is likely a future closer and Giles may be able to be flipped later if we can rebuild his value.

 

[GoonieFace]

I respect their decision to move on from Osuna, not a bad return either considering all things.

 

[zeke]

If Anthopolous made this exact deal you would be laughing how great a return we got. You spend your entire time ****ting on Shapiro on this board it really didn’t matter what this return was.

Trade is
Toronto trades
1 massive piece of ****

Houston trades
1 big piece of ****
2 long shot prospects

ah eat it. and your AA obsession.

this is a shit deal and you know it. and now part of a long string of shit no-upside deals by shatkins.

stop blaming me for their shitiness.

 

[stickty111]

If Anthopolous made this exact deal you would be laughing how great a return we got. You spend your entire time shutting on Shapiro on this board it really didn’t matter what this return was

Yup also AA's Braves have fallen out of a playoff spot. Looks like he builds teams that callapse.
2 teams passed on AA as GM, and the Braves only had him as plan B.
Looking at his time with the Jays, it makes sense.
Shapiro is cleaning up the trash left by AA.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Giles, Paulino and Perez

Ok, I can live with this. Well done, Atkins.

 

[Satan]

Pretty great return for a garbage human-being

 

[zeke]

Wow, so Paulino used to be the Astro's 3rd best prospect and 44th ranked in the entire league but dropped due to his suspension?

and due to being shitty in mlb, shitty in aaa, having a bum shoulder, and middling stuff at best.

 

[kb]

Well done. Osuna was horribly overrated IMO.

 

[phillipmike]

Not in love with it nor moving Osuna but under the circumstances i understand it. And i like the arms coming back.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Houston visits Toronto September 24th-26th

 

[Woodman19]

We just restocked the upper levels with legit arms.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Yup also AA's Braves have fallen out of a playoff spot. Looks like he builds teams that callapse.
2 teams passed on AA as GM, and the Braves only had him as plan B.
Looking at his time with the Jays, it makes sense.
Shapiro is cleaning up the trash left by AA.

Here we go. Sticky vs Zeke round 206. Fight!

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Yup also AA's Braves have fallen out of a playoff spot. Looks like he builds teams that callapse.
2 teams passed on AA as GM, and the Braves only had him as plan B.
Looking at his time with the Jays, it makes sense.
Shapiro is cleaning up the trash left by AA.

Have the Braves been eliminated from the playoffs yet? So if the Braves were still holding onto a playoff spot at this moment would have saved this hot take for another day? Shapiro cleaning up the trash? Atkins certainly hasn't done a good job to date.

 

[Walshy7]

ah eat it. and your AA obsession.

this is a **** deal and you know it. and now part of a long string of **** no-upside deals by shatkins.

stop blaming me for their ****iness.

Not blaming anyone just watching your daily obsession whining about shapkins is boring. I don’t really care for either management team.

 

[The Nemesis]

Perez FG report tags him as a 45FV prospect and figures he's probably a top shelf bullpen piece depending on if he manifests some control or not

Perez wields electric stuff but is a maddeningly inconsistent strike-thrower. His ability to work with any kind of efficiency began to wane after a dominant April and May, and worsened as the season aged into the summer. Perez doesn’t have great feel for a regular release point, and his pitches sail or spike well short of the plate. This glaringly inhibits Perez’s ability to throw strikes and also dilutes the quality of his secondary stuff. He’s well built, explosive, and appears to be athletic, so there’s hope that this will improve with time.
Even if Perez grows into 40-grade control, he’s probably a dominant reliever at that point because he has four plus-flashing pitches. His fastball sits in the mid-90s, touches 98, and you could argue it plays up because hitters don’t see the ball out of Perez’s hand very well. He blew it past hitters up in the zone much of last year and it projects as a plus-plus pitch, especially if Perez is moved to the bullpen. He also has a plus-flashing slider that has cutter action at the knees and above, but downward bite beneath the strike zone. The latter is much more effective. Perez’s split-change flashes plus but too often tumbles in well beneath the strike zone and doesn’t entice hitters. Perez’s spike curveball misses bats, too, and he flips it in for called strikes at times, but he doesn’t get on top of it consistently. If he can find some semblance of mechanical consistency, all four pitches could be dominant. If not, he’ll be a frustrating relief piece. The likely outcome is somewhere in the middle.

Paulino's report from the 2017 prospect list (which also called him a 45FV):

Paulino’s curveball is ridiculous. He’s a tall, lanky righty with an overhand slot and that curveball is spinning down from the heavens with, at times, more than 3300 rpms. It’s a slow, loopy, low-70s curveball in the Barry Zito mold, but Paulino does not maintain his fastball arm speed when he throws it, something advanced hitters are able to identify. Just on movement it’s a plus pitch, but if it’s going to be that effective in the majors, Paulino needs to sell it better.
The curve is the eye-catching aspect of an otherwise solid, albeit somewhat pedestrian repertoire that features a 92-94 mph fastball which touches 96, a low-80s slider, and average changeup.
Paulino’s delivery has little violence or visible effort. He doesn’t have surgical command but throws strikes and hasn’t had issues with walks at any point during his career. But while Paulino’s frame and mechanical ease are both typically considered inning-eater traits, he had Tommy John in 2014 and missed time in 2016 with elbow tendinitis. He’s 23 and hasn’t thrown more than 90 innings in affiliated ball during a single season. Some scouts are concerned enough about the injuries to project Paulino in the bullpen while others think you just leave him in a rotation to build innings and maybe improve some pitches — even if it means Paulino doesn’t grab hold of a big-league job until age 24 or 25. Of course, because Houston is competing for a spot in the postseason, his role might just be dictated by whatever the big club needs and not his own development. I have him projected as a league-average starter.

FWIW, Teoscar was #8 on that FG list last year, 2 spots behind Paulino.

So this coupled with Giles being good for now and tradeable in the future and this is a pretty decent return.

Let's be honest, expecting one of Houston's two best prospects for Osuna, even at his high end value, was probably wishful thinking. They essentially have a pair of top10 prospects plus the potential for more on a future Giles trade return.