The Future of Team Canada: Who Will Replace the Veterans

[ORRFForever]

Wyatt Johnston is a Scot though.

McWright was likely the name centuries ago.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Ravensbergen and Ivankovic are good signs on the goalie front in this years draft....and need Cossa to hit. But goalies are such a roll of the dice it will take years to see if it turns around. Just need one elite one to step forward though, don't need 8 goalies to win!

Don't forget Garand. Has the 4th highest SV% in the AHL (12 points ahead of Cossa and beat him for the WJC net their 19 year old year where they won Gold and was also better than him that year in the WHL).

 

[ORRFForever]

You beat me to it.

I always do!!!

I saw you taking up collection at Midnight Mass, JJ. Well done.

 

[Albatros]

Yeah, but I think he is eligible to play for Canada, like his father. It's mentioned here: Which Side Could Josh Doan Choose?

Never played in Canada, thus not eligible.

 

[crazynaiman]

Never played in Canada, thus not eligible.

Why though? He was born in US, but his father is Canadian, so Josh can have Canadian citizenship by descent if he hasn't already had it.
He has also never played for any national team in IIHF tournaments or other international competitions, at least as far as I could find. So, it's not necessary for him to play or live in Canada to be eligible to play for Team Canada.

To play for Team Canada, it is enough to be a Canadian citizen and not have played for another country after your 18th birthday. According to IIHF rules, if a player has not played for a national team in official IIHF tournaments after turning 18, he can change his affiliation and choose another national team to represent in international competitions.

 

[Albatros]

Why though? He was born in US, but his father is Canadian, so Josh can have Canadian citizenship by descent if he hasn't already had it.
He has also never played for any national team in IIHF tournaments or other international competitions, at least as far as I could find. So, it's not necessary for him to play or live in Canada to be eligible to play for Team Canada.

To play for Team Canada, it is enough to be a Canadian citizen and not have played for another country after your 18th birthday. According to IIHF rules, if a player has not played for a national team in official IIHF tournaments after turning 18, he can change his affiliation and choose another national team to represent in international competitions.

He would have had to surrender his US citizenship altogether to be eligible through citizenship alone and even then it would be subject to IIHF approval.

IIHF Statutes & Bylaws, bylaw 4.2.:

"An Eligible Player who has two legal citizenships or more, or has changed citizenship or has acquired or surrendered a citizenship and wants to participate for the first time in an IIHF Championship described in Bylaw 11-13, a Men’s Olympic competition or a Men’s Olympic Qualification competition for their Country of choice must: a) Prove that they have (i) participated in the League Competitions within their Country of choice on a consistent basis, over at least sixteen (16) consecutive months (480 days) and during two (2) hockey seasons after their 10th birthday (ii) resided in their Country of choice during that period and (iii) neither transferred to another Country nor played ice hockey for a team registered or located within any other Country during that period"

 

[crazynaiman]

He would have had to surrender his US citizenship altogether to be eligible through citizenship alone and even then it would be subject to IIHF approval.

IIHF Statutes & Bylaws, bylaw 4.2.:

"An Eligible Player who has two legal citizenships or more, or has changed citizenship or has acquired or surrendered a citizenship and wants to participate for the first time in an IIHF Championship described in Bylaw 11-13, a Men’s Olympic competition or a Men’s Olympic Qualification competition for their Country of choice must: a) Prove that they have (i) participated in the League Competitions within their Country of choice on a consistent basis, over at least sixteen (16) consecutive months (480 days) and during two (2) hockey seasons after their 10th birthday (ii) resided in their Country of choice during that period and (iii) neither transferred to another Country nor played ice hockey for a team registered or located within any other Country during that period"

Thanks for the clarification. I get it now - for players with dual citizenship, there are extra requirements, including living and playing in the chosen country for a certain period, and possibly giving up the citizenship of the other country.

According to IIHF rules, for Josh Doan to play for Canada, he would need to meet these conditions:

1. He must prove that he played in competitions in Canada consistently for at least 16 months and during two hockey seasons after his 10th birthday.

2. He has to have lived in Canada during that time.

3. He can't have played for teams registered in other countries or be registered with other countries during that period.

If Josh meets these conditions, he should be eligible to play for Canada, even if he has US citizenship. However, if he hasn't met these requirements, he might have to renounce his US citizenship to be eligible to play for Canada. Am I right?

 

[ORRFForever]

He would have had to surrender his US citizenship altogether to be eligible through citizenship alone and even then it would be subject to IIHF approval.

IIHF Statutes & Bylaws, bylaw 4.2.:

"An Eligible Player who has two legal citizenships or more, or has changed citizenship or has acquired or surrendered a citizenship and wants to participate for the first time in an IIHF Championship described in Bylaw 11-13, a Men’s Olympic competition or a Men’s Olympic Qualification competition for their Country of choice must: a) Prove that they have (i) participated in the League Competitions within their Country of choice on a consistent basis, over at least sixteen (16) consecutive months (480 days) and during two (2) hockey seasons after their 10th birthday (ii) resided in their Country of choice during that period and (iii) neither transferred to another Country nor played ice hockey for a team registered or located within any other Country during that period"

Playing in the NHL might be enough - it is a dual country league. From what I understand, Joey Daccord can play for Canada IF he gets a Canadian passport so...

It's a moot point. Minus the World Championships, Doan is not making Team Canada.

 

[ORRFForever]

Thanks for the clarification. I get it now - for players with dual citizenship, there are extra requirements, including living and playing in the chosen country for a certain period, and possibly giving up the citizenship of the other country.

According to IIHF rules, for Josh Doan to play for Canada, he would need to meet these conditions:

1. He must prove that he played in competitions in Canada consistently for at least 16 months and during two hockey seasons after his 10th birthday.

2. He has to have lived in Canada during that time.

3. He can't have played for teams registered in other countries or be registered with other countries during that period.

If Josh meets these conditions, he should be eligible to play for Canada, even if he has US citizenship. However, if he hasn't met these requirements, he might have to renounce his US citizenship to be eligible to play for Canada. Am I right?

I've skeptical, my friend. Over the years, I've seen a lot of players skirt the rules to play for a country NOT of their birth.

 

[Albatros]

Playing in the NHL might be enough - it is a dual country league. From what I understand, Joey Daccord can play for Canada IF he gets a Canadian passport so...

It's a moot point. Minus the World Championships, Doan is not making Team Canada.

Joey Daccord played in Canada for more than 480 days between 2019 and 2021 and has birthright citizenship due to his native-born Canadian father despite not acquiring a passport, so he absolutely does qualify without any exceptions as soon as he gets that passport.

 

[IHaveNoCreativity]

Thanks for the clarification. I get it now - for players with dual citizenship, there are extra requirements, including living and playing in the chosen country for a certain period, and possibly giving up the citizenship of the other country.

According to IIHF rules, for Josh Doan to play for Canada, he would need to meet these conditions:

1. He must prove that he played in competitions in Canada consistently for at least 16 months and during two hockey seasons after his 10th birthday.

2. He has to have lived in Canada during that time.

3. He can't have played for teams registered in other countries or be registered with other countries during that period.

If Josh meets these conditions, he should be eligible to play for Canada, even if he has US citizenship. However, if he hasn't met these requirements, he might have to renounce his US citizenship to be eligible to play for Canada. Am I right?

I don’t know personally but I’d imagine he spent some time in Canada as a kid as well. But i do agree he’s not likely to end up on the required level for either team but who knows.

Celebrini looks special
Bedard
McKenna
Dupont
Johnson
Point ?
Laf
Suzuki

Just top of my head.

the goalies are actually on the up to. But let’s see how they turn out.

 

[Nucks2001]

I’d argue that Canada’s future looks better than the USA’s if we’re talking 2030 and beyond.

 

[Crosby2010]

I've skeptical, my friend. Over the years, I've seen a lot of players skirt the rules to play for a country NOT of their birth.

Somehow Olaf Kolzig convinced people he was German. Born in South Africa, raised in Canada, played for Germany. Was his mother/father German? That's all I can think of. Not that he would have made Team Canada back then, but he was definitely the type that at least would have been #4-5 on the pecking order.

 

[Crosby2010]

Canada has a lot of bright players coming up. Should be a while where we are in the 40-50% of the elite players in the NHL like now. But my thought is there is always some geniuses on Hockey Canada brass that think they are the smartest in the room and pick the team they think can win. We see this annually with the World Juniors. The players that are cut, the ones not asked, the roles some of the younger players play, etc. There rarely is a time when I am satisfied with the roster of a World Junior team, even when we win. Even the 2025 Four Nations Cup which is a precursor to the Olympics, we made some selections that will definitely be second guessed if we lose. I know what they are trying to do, and it could work, but it could also be that we left some firepower at home and that is what is needed on the team. So while we always have the players at our disposal, there isn't always the best minds picking the teams. Or too much ego gets in the way or whatever it is. Politics has always played a role in the selection of a team going back to 1972 with the Summit Series. We won in spite of some disorganization between Eagleson and Sinden. Not to mention the tug of war with the WHA and NHL that cost us some good players. Eagleson also seemed to leave off guys that may have been critical of him. Other players that really would have benefitted as well. So I am optimistic about the players, I just question the selections in the future.

1976, 2002 and 2010. That's about the only times I can see Team Canada picked about as flawlessly as it could be. A couple things happened. Brad Park was injured in 1976 and Patrick Roy himself backed out in 2002. But there is no notable player that wasn't on the team that should have been there. Joe Thornton started to heat up that very season in 2002 and Stamkos was only in his 2nd year and no one could guess he could score 51 goals that year. We always say "Well, if they won who are we to judge?" Okay, I think we can still judge a little. I am a defender of Mike Keenan, but 1987 and 1991 were years that we left a lot of talent on the table. How do you cut Yzerman in 1991? How is he not obviously a guy that you fit in somewhere? Some players are too good to cut. I'll give him credit because he built a team with his own vision, but man, that doesn't always work all of the time when you can afford to leave good guys off the team. Sometimes we lose (1981, 1996)

 

[EXTRAS]

Take drysdale out of the op. He will be lucky to be in the league by the time he's 30.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I’d argue that Canada’s future looks better than the USA’s if we’re talking 2030 and beyond.

I think we edge ahead in 2040.

 

[syz]

I think we edge ahead in 2040.

Depends, maybe Canada will have a goalie by then.

 

[Schennanigans]

The goaltending is pitiful.

 

[Nucks2001]

Canada has a lot of bright players coming up. Should be a while where we are in the 40-50% of the elite players in the NHL like now. But my thought is there is always some geniuses on Hockey Canada brass that think they are the smartest in the room and pick the team they think can win. We see this annually with the World Juniors. The players that are cut, the ones not asked, the roles some of the younger players play, etc. There rarely is a time when I am satisfied with the roster of a World Junior team, even when we win. Even the 2025 Four Nations Cup which is a precursor to the Olympics, we made some selections that will definitely be second guessed if we lose. I know what they are trying to do, and it could work, but it could also be that we left some firepower at home and that is what is needed on the team. So while we always have the players at our disposal, there isn't always the best minds picking the teams. Or too much ego gets in the way or whatever it is. Politics has always played a role in the selection of a team going back to 1972 with the Summit Series. We won in spite of some disorganization between Eagleson and Sinden. Not to mention the tug of war with the WHA and NHL that cost us some good players. Eagleson also seemed to leave off guys that may have been critical of him. Other players that really would have benefitted as well. So I am optimistic about the players, I just question the selections in the future.

1976, 2002 and 2010. That's about the only times I can see Team Canada picked about as flawlessly as it could be. A couple things happened. Brad Park was injured in 1976 and Patrick Roy himself backed out in 2002. But there is no notable player that wasn't on the team that should have been there. Joe Thornton started to heat up that very season in 2002 and Stamkos was only in his 2nd year and no one could guess he could score 51 goals that year. We always say "Well, if they won who are we to judge?" Okay, I think we can still judge a little. I am a defender of Mike Keenan, but 1987 and 1991 were years that we left a lot of talent on the table. How do you cut Yzerman in 1991? How is he not obviously a guy that you fit in somewhere? Some players are too good to cut. I'll give him credit because he built a team with his own vision, but man, that doesn't always work all of the time when you can afford to leave good guys off the team. Sometimes we lose (1981, 1996)

Very little skill left off the 2014 Olympic roster as well. Other than the Giroux omission and the Kunitz pick, that roster was as flawless as Canada could have it. It didn’t matter that those decisions were even made because Canada was just so stacked at that time.

2010 was the best example of us picking skilled players and putting them in checking roles. I’ve been saying it, Top 6 players are actually better hockey players than grinders! You had Toews, Richards, Staal and Nash all filling out checking roles.

As for 4-Nations, I don’t like the Sam Bennett selection, Robert Thomas should be there instead of him. Cirelli, I don’t mind as you do need someone to be a match-up center and Canada doesn’t have a Toews or Bergeron anymore. The Marchand selection was egregious to be in the first 6. You already have Hagel and Konency to fill in Marchand’s shoes. You could have filled Marchand’s spot with a younger Bedard, Celebrini, Guenther or a WYATT JOHNSTON (Suprise, Suprise, they were actually considering him). Even a Mark Scheifele might not have been a bad choice to generate some offence.

While, I didn’t have Suzuki on my projected rosters, the reasoning for why Hockey Canada left him off is laughable and decisions like that are what lead to embarrassments for Canada.

Bedard-McDavid-Reinhart
Hagel-MacKinnon-Point
Konecny-Crosby-Marner
Cirelli-Thomas-Stone
Scheifele-Jarvis

That’s a team that’s automatically better than what we have for 4-Nations. But if Team Canada wins, I guess we’ll all be wrong.