GDT: The Four Nations Tournament Thread

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I understand what you are saying, and again, I just don’t know why the off season training is relevant five months later. You realize tons of players have worse injuries/rehabilitation, but come back way better than Pettersson has.

Can you find any examples of elite players who have an injury and perform this poorly for this long after the injury? It seems to me most elite players come back from injury and perform much closer to their pre-injury form.

The idea that Pettersson needs a year to recover - from last offseason - seems both insane and totally unprecedented.

Again, I’d be more inclined to just believe his knee was still f***ed.

While I get the hesitancy to entertain the idea that there's some kind of ongoing injury, we've only need look at the roster and find Demko on the injury reserve to find an example. Weird stuff does happen to people, and I when a player comes out and says they're fully recovered, I'll take that with a huge grain of salt until they don't play like one leg doesn't work.

Pettersson looks exactly like a guy playing in the playoffs with a significant injury. To me that suggests he is in fact, injured. It's not an excuse, it's arrived at rationally from watching him skate. Not saying I'm correct, and I definitely feel for the posters frustrated with Pettersson post 2024 All Star Game. Which, frankly, is everyone. No one is glad dude looks like my grandfather hauling his corpse around a frozen river.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

This is not a 3 game tournament, this is over a year of 50 point production + A poor playoffs + a 3 day tournament.

People being hard on petey is completely justified, does not mean they don't want him to do well.
For myself, I hope Petey goes on a f***ing tear in the 2nd half and is our true #1 C, but right now he barely looks like a 2c

His poor production coincides with the time that his knee tendinitis likely flared up (NHL EDGE stats back this up), and has not recovered since then. Knee tendinitis is not like tearing a major knee ligament, so it would make 0 sense for that speed to be gone for good. We know he couldn't train during the offseason, strength and conditioning is a big part of hockey as we know, and that is likely why management is shitting on him for coming into this season unprepared. At the same time, this organization is f***ing outright stupid when it comes to dealing with injuries, we've seen it time and time again (especially in recent years like the whole Pearson ordeal, for example).

I'll take the bet that a 26 year old who has been a borderline top-10 center since he joined the league didn't just become washed overnight, and I hope it's one our management will take as well. It's one worth going all-in on, because even if we do fold early by trading him for pennies on the dollar, you are almost certainly signing Hughes' walking papers, and if we do bust by going all-in on him Hughes is still almost likely gone as well.

We need him to bounce back (And luckily for us, there has been no case in the recent history of the league that a player of Pettersson's caliber became washed overnight at the age of 26)

 

[604]

For the record, he had the least ice-time and the fewest shifts of any Swedish forward. No shots on goal, no hits, and no shot blocks.

I lost money on him not getting a shot. I swear he directed a shot on goal during a 3rd period PP, more like a chip shot but it should count.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Yeah. Petey defenders act like we don't want him to succeed, but we'd all love to see him be a beastly 100 point centre with two way ability. It would give us an actually decent shot at a Cup over the next few years.

At the end of the day, we want to see a Cup, and what better time than when we have our near-generational (if not for Cale Makar) defenseman and best Canuck of all time locked up on a sweetheart deal, outperforming it by almost double?

We just want him to succeed for us and do well. Trying to make an argument like we just "want to be right" is incredibly shortsighted, in my opinion. Hell, we're on an "oldschool" eyesore ad riddled forum just to discuss the Canucks. Why would we NOT want our franchise centre to play at a franchise level?

I agree with the path you're on. I just disagree completely about the player. No hard feelings on the matter on my end, for anyone. We're all here because we want to see the same thing.

I lost money on him not getting a shot. I swear he directed a shot on goal during a 3rd period PP, more like a chip shot but it should count.

Don't bet on hockey. It's literally the most impossible sport to gamble on.

I played basketball for 7 years before getting into hockey. I just parlay NBA games. It's basically like printing money, which is why I'll never do it again - I'm a horrible gambler. I have had more wrong opinions on this f***ing sport than I imagine some posters here have days lived on Earth. What can I say? I love learning the hard way.

I don't enjoy that we can no longer just pull out some of the just stupid f***ing opinions I had here before 2013. There were several. I think some newer posters and I could have a good laugh at those together.

 

[David71]

petterson still got benched by the swedish coach. tocheet should do that more often for the rest of the season when he doesnt produce.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

petterson still got benched by the swedish coach. tocheet should do that more often for the rest of the season when he doesnt produce.

He has been, and he always has. Miller had nights down at 11-12 when he sucked, so did EP.

Now EP and Miller basically put him in a situation where ready-or-not-here-come-the-20s. And he didn't come ready to camp (reasons unclear and/or unagreed upon) and is basically 8 weeks behind. That's basically all anyone knows unless they have insiders. I'll give them this - they run as tight a ship on their leaks as I've seen in my time. In this market, that is king. I think we can all agree on that.

Slowly one by one, the leaks all get the knife (so to speak). I wonder how Rachel Doerrie is doing...

You can kind of see now how management felt it was her or Hughes. Is there anyone on this team with half a mind wants to keep happier than Quinn Hughes? People are naming their children that, now. For Christ, we need to get the man a Cup.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

I feel like if we don't trade him now we're going to go into next season and have this happen all over again and then he will be locked into his NMC and we will seriously be screwed way worse than what happened with JT. All well trying to convince Hughes that he should stay here instead of going to play with his brothers. We could end up having to buy out EP40 and losing Hughes over this mess. if we send EP40 somewhere else he doesn't have the pressure of trying to win in a Canadian market he could potentially get his game back, do what's best for both parties and get rid of Pettersson.

 

[kanucks25]

It is in the end a joke of a tournament. Only reason we care is because of Trump’s comments.

Sweden has absolutely no business being here and I think they know it. Hard to get up for games your teammates hardly give a shit about. Which funny enough, was Millers problem. Hand it to Miller, he had no fear getting his ass handed to him in a pointless dick-measuring type of fight.

And that’s why we’ll beat them Thursday. Or should. The Tkachuks are the only ones on that team that really know what it takes to win.

I'm sorry but what are you even saying?

Sweden absolutely has business being in the tournament given they are 3rd best hockey nation in the world. They played a pretty even game against Canada, lost in OT to Finland and beat the States (albeit neither team really cared). They've been a serious contender in pretty much every international tournament for many, many years.

Every team cared in the games that mattered when it came to getting into the Final. Given the overall effort, pace and skill level we've seen in these games, I'm honestly confused as to why some people are still adamant about labeling the tournament as a joke.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I'm sorry but what are you even saying?

Sweden absolutely has business being in the tournament given they are 3rd best hockey nation in the world. They played a pretty even game against Canada, lost in OT to Finland and beat the States (albeit neither team really cared). They've been a serious contender in pretty much every international tournament for many, many years.

Every team cared in the games that mattered when it came to getting into the Final. Given the overall effort, pace and skill level we've seen in these games, I'm honestly confused as to why some people are still adamant about labeling the tournament as a joke.

Nobody respected them in this tournament. It's why the USA lost to them in a game that didn't mattered, and that's why the USA is going to lose in Boston.

Just the same way the board is so split on Petey, if the outside hockey world wants to believe he's a shit player, I say let 'em. He'll prove them wrong. The hate fuels the fire. Let it burn.

I'm making my call, so I might as well explain my reasoning. They will start Binnington. Fans will shit, but it's the right call. There is no chance Binnington got tapped if Marchand didn't want him on the team. There's no chance Crosby didn't tap Marchand to be on the team. He's the only f***ing lunatic that can play with Sid internationally.

We've f***ing *got this*. This tournament is a literal *joke*. Everything that's happened in it has made us all laugh. But also, be amazed. Great f***ing hockey.

 

[DFAC]

Some of you guys are in denial... Petey hasn't looked right in over a calendar year but there's always some excuse.

I honestly don't know what to do with him at this point... and I'm willing to bet Tocchet and the Canucks are getting there too. I would not be shocked at all if he's moved before his NMC kicks in. I said it before - I'd be happy with both Miller and EP40 gone. Both babies.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Some of you guys are in denial... Petey hasn't looked right in over a calendar year but there's always some excuse.

I honestly don't know what to do with him at this point... and I'm willing to bet Tocchet and the Canucks are getting there too. I would not be shocked at all if he's moved before his NMC kicks in. I said it before - I'd be happy with both Miller and EP40 gone. Both babies.

I have my faith, you have yours.

 

[VanJack]

Apparently Tocchet told Pettersson to go to the Four Nations and 'just have fun'. I hope he had some fun. Because from my limited viewing, he didn't do a damn thing on the ice.

Just a continuation of a mind-numbingly disappointing season.

 

[Diamonddog01]

9:53, lowest ice-time on the roster last night. That is brutal.

 

[Canucker]

EP said he trained around his injury and is fine now.
Fine could mean he is no longer injured. No longer injured doesn’t mean he is in the shape he wants/needs to be in. They are separate concepts, is it that hard to understand.

“I still feel it (tendinitis) sometimes, but it feels good now — better than where we left off last season. We had to work around it in the off-season training, but, yeah, I feel good and I feel better on the ice. It gave us more time to work on conditioning and work on speed. Everything is fine.”

Not fine?

 

[Hodgy]

While I get the hesitancy to entertain the idea that there's some kind of ongoing injury, we've only need look at the roster and find Demko on the injury reserve to find an example. Weird stuff does happen to people, and I when a player comes out and says they're fully recovered, I'll take that with a huge grain of salt until they don't play like one leg doesn't work.

Pettersson looks exactly like a guy playing in the playoffs with a significant injury. To me that suggests he is in fact, injured. It's not an excuse, it's arrived at rationally from watching him skate. Not saying I'm correct, and I definitely feel for the posters frustrated with Pettersson post 2024 All Star Game. Which, frankly, is everyone. No one is glad dude looks like my grandfather hauling his corpse around a frozen river.

Sorry, haven’t you just now been making the argument that his poor play is a result of off season training? Weren’t you talking about how he has lost muscle in the off season and that’s why he’s playing poorly?

Are you now just switching your argument and saying he’s injured currently? Abandoning the off season training argument?

 

[arttk]

Not fine?

Athletes offer the most optimistic view at the beginning of the season and you take that at face value.

 

[Canucker]

Athletes offer the most optimistic view at the beginning of the season and you take that at face value.

Sure, but it does leave him open to criticism and questions about his health. Especially given how last season went and with the new contract kicking in...mo money, mo scrutiny.

 

[BWJM]

Pettersson had lowest ice time by a Swede last night.. Kevin Lankinen (the goalie) has more points than him this turny.

It's almost like he's just complete ass. I'm still pissed we never traded him.

 

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[Bobby9]

Damn. Hughes coming in for McAvoy replacement.

 

[sting101]

Apparently Tocchet told Pettersson to go to the Four Nations and 'just have fun'. I hope he had some fun. Because from my limited viewing, he didn't do a damn thing on the ice.

Just a continuation of a mind-numbingly disappointing season.

i thought you were sitting this one out?

 

[dealwithit]

Oh f*** so are we cheering for Team Canada now or Quinn Hughes. I'm conflicted boys.

 

[wonton15]

Ok I think for my own selfish reasons this is going to be awesome to watch Hughes play with these guys

 

[Bobby9]

Oh f*** so are we cheering for Team Canada now or Quinn Hughes. I'm conflicted boys.

Just please don’t get injured team over here.

 

[Caboose]

If y’all want to drive EP to the airport, go right ahead. I’ll be here to say told you so, just as much as I was when we all wanted to draft Cody Glass over him and freaked out.

How is Cody Glass, guys? Stop posting like shrinking violets. That’s how losers are made. Sorry. That’s just life. Not my fault you guys choose to do it wrong. God forbid we go to war, you’d be among the first to get fragged. That’s just sad.

That’s my $0.02 based on a life of thinking that way. I wouldn’t say it if I haven’t lived it.

I don't know what this means.