The Former Hab Thread - Part Infinity
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No i am not trying to diminish PKs donation.
I'll slow down for you.
I donate every year. I also raise money for the same charity.
They are two separate amounts.
The amount i donate i can choose to declare on my taxes. The amount I helped raise I cannot. Why? Because I did not DONATE it. Others did. They will be declaring it. Yes I helped raise it. Contacted them, educated them on the cause. Followed up. Then THEY donated.
I think what PK and thousands of athletes do for charity is commendable. In case you were under the impression that only you thought so. ( ;
However I don't see why you are so offended that others pointed out the accurate numbers of the donation. I chimed in they are correct.
Relax buddy. You can leave his poster on your bedroom wall.
Again, you're arguing about semantics. Did he raise, donate, both, who cares man. It's besides the point. Fact is those kids are getting 10M in help, that's all there is to take out of this. I'm very well aware of the difference between ''raising'' and ''donating'', but I don't need to point it out to anybody who talks about his gesture because it's completely irrelevant.
Oh, how original, let's turn it into a love fest about PK, hihihihi. It can't just be about calling out the silliness of a petty argument ''he did not donate! he raised it! wahhhh''
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ECWHSWI
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the guy who signed an offersheet from another team (Flyers) ??
meh, don't think he cared much about leaving Nashville...
Toene
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Depends of the cap-hit. I'd take Weise back at a fraction of the cost because he was such a warrior in the play-offs. Ribeiro would be better than Desharnais. Dominic Moore we dont need him because of Mitchell but I always liked him.
Pouliot would be useful, he's fast and fairly skilled. We arent deep at LW at the moment so for a couple millions I'd have him back.
I'd take Streit back too. Would love him in a third pairing role
PP: Petry-Weber, Markov-Streit
Our current powerplay works well with two same handed shots, markov and streit reunite circa 2008
Exactly. Pretty sure Weber was actually happy to come over here. Especially as it means playing in front of Price.
And Therrien's system is fine for defensemen. It's for the forwards that it sucks, really.
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Not too sure about that. 2nd in the league in goals for at 56. Defensemen scored 14, good for 25% of the team's goals. The other 42 are forwards. I think it's pretty good for forwards.
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Pretty sure defensemen in general would rather play for a team that preaches a defense-first, 100% safety approach. With Price in nets for the times you **** up.
But for the forwards, it really sucks. Because you're asked to dump the puck all the time, can't float around waiting for a breakout pass etc.
Not saying it's great for us or anything. Just stating the obvious. When Therrien goes back to his antics of dumping and grinding, I'm sure the forwards hate it more than the defensemen.
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ECWHSWI
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on July 1st : "Hi! it's Marc Bergevin, feel like playing D in front of Carey ?"
easy sell
Again, my point hasnt been about team dynamics in general. You've made a claim on a specific aspect of the Habs/PK relationship, implying that Subban's off-ice activities effected the team in a bad way. I asked you to prove that claim, which you didnt. I gave it a shot and you cant seem to grasp it
And now you go on and insult my intelligence since a few posts, saying I dont understand what you are talking about. I do, it's just not what your claim was about. Like I said, try to follow your own point.
You might say it is propaganda.....
When he was calling LG out for apparent propaganda atleast LG was providing facts.
Galchenyuk, our skilled guy, is 6th in NHL scoring....maybe what this team was missing was.......skilled guys?
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One of the drawbacks of having an internet conversation.
I could care less about whether that player is a success or is a bust and never plays again because they are not a part of the Montreal Canadiens. . As far as talking about them, I reserve the right to do so.
Hope this helps.
Again, my point hasnt been about team dynamics in general. You've made a claim on a specific aspect of the Habs/PK relationship, implying that Subban's off-ice activities effected the team in a bad way. I asked you to prove that claim, which you didnt. I gave it a shot and you cant seem to grasp it
And now you go on and insult my intelligence since a few posts, saying I dont understand what you are talking about. I do, it's just not what your claim was about. Like I said, try to follow your own point.
You are asking to prove with absolute certainty something which cannot be proved with absolute certainty (clever message board trick). None of us were in the locker room day to day with the team. All we can rely on is what we see, hear and read about a few moments in time. Followed by a trade that no one expected which was followed by carefully couched interviews and statements.
And we are all free to form our own opinions regarding that.
We have a few facts.
PK used his powerful negotiation position to force the Habs into giving him the highest contract possible with all the clauses. Most of his team mates all accepted previously some sort of "home discount". The management was clearly not happy with that contract, especially the NMC, and it was ultimately the official reason he got traded.
His team mates did not vote for him in two occasions last year (captaincy and nomination for King Clancy award) when he was expected by many to be named.
The 10 million pledge was done without any coordination with the Habs own Children Foundation. In comparison, Max's pledge of 3.5 million in 2011 (if you compare the size of the contracts it's not much lower than the 10 million) was done together with the Habs org.
Subban was "benched" by all the coaches he had at all levels from Junior to Olympic team - that includes Babcock. Since he is a highly performant player, the only reason to bench him in favor of less skilled guys has to be the attitude /discipline /coachability (yea, I know, it's a wild personal interpretation here, I have no absolute proof of what Babcock was thinking so I should shut up).
And yes, cheap internet message board tricks is all you get from Subban fans here. What worries me is that I have the feeling the past months of constant MT/MB bashing have alienated a large part of the poster base around here - I don't see them anymore.
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So you speculate on the matter just to find more things to use to crap on PK? Cool, thats all I wanted you to admit.
There's only been allusion about his on-ice play (Price quote, Gallagher's quote, MB's presser, etc.), while most players had a great personal relationship with him, Galchenyuk even saying he was angry. So why consider anything else than what it has always been about ? Two elite defensemen were traded one for one, both didnt fit anymore on a tactical point of view for their team. That's it.
Stick to the facts available. All data we have point to hockey reasons. Not philanthropy. Unless you base your view on media hearsay, which shows at what straws youre going to grasp to paint PK has a bad teammate.
Yea Galchenyuk's struggling a whole lot this year.
It's pretty funny to see two guys that were poster boys for MT's "misuse" not actually thriving outside of his "restrictive" system
Toene
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Again, pure speculation. It's not about being a PK fan, it's about restraining ourselves to jump on conclusions that are just not there. He was loved and respected by most of the core of this team. He didnt fit tactically, as said Price. That's what we know.
Your last paragraph is embarassing man. It's not about being in a camp. It's about havjng mature discussions about hockey. If you let yourself be caught in speculation so it fits your world views, how can a good debate be achieved?
Like I said, stick to what is available. You have no proof that these things you listed effected his team-mates. Per exemple it is not because players chose Max as a captain that PK was a bad option. It justs fits your narrative so you take what you want from it.
You see things in "camps", fans vs haters, good vs bad, etc. Sorry but it's obvious you're not in a set of mind to discuss properly.
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dont want to get between you two here, but we did exchange 2 or 3 post on the subban subject in an other thread
just want to point out to you that you often says to people to stick to fact ....wich is good but in this exact same post you do the opposite
quote...... "Again, pure speculation''
and then you go
quote.....'' He was loved and respected by most of the core of this team.''
is it not speculation too
It does matter!!.....some people here still think that PK cut them a check for 10m$....it's wrong.Again, you're arguing about semantics. Did he raise, donate, both, who cares man. It's besides the point. Fact is those kids are getting 10M in help, that's all there is to take out of this. I'm very well aware of the difference between ''raising'' and ''donating'', but I don't need to point it out to anybody who talks about his gesture because it's completely irrelevant.
Oh, how original, let's turn it into a love fest about PK, hihihihi. It can't just be about calling out the silliness of a petty argument ''he did not donate! he raised it! wahhhh''
It doesn't take away the fact that he's gonna raise the 10m$ and that's amazing, but let's get our facts right here.
I dont understand why people go with the salary angle, if teams want to force guys to sign terrible contracts as a bridge deal then prepare to get ****ed when the other party has some power. Carey Price didnt sign a home town discount deal at the time, it had some risk to it. It is a team friendly deal now but it wasnt at the time. I recall some people being rather perturbed at the amount and that Price said the negotiation was easy. Gallagher and Pacioretty are the only ones with home town discounts.
If a dude wants to give his time and money to a charity or hospital who cares if he goes through the organization. If they want their children's foundation involved they can approach players to co-ordinate. If the organization is that petty then where is all this mutual respect that Southern Hab said has to exist between the organization and player? Hint it was never there, unless people thinking paying a guy is respect.
If posters want to say what PK did in the summer distracts the team then they better be able to prove it, not dance around the issue and tell people they dont understand, then give a vague idea of the "realm" they would have to go into to make that statement true. I assume the realm where that proof exists for PK Subban's off-season distracting the team would be the next wardrobe over from Narnia.
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