The Former Hab Thread - Part Infinity

[Hoople]

This conversation isnt and has never been about opinion. You said that his off-ice activities make him a worse teammates. You've never provided any data to support your point. Conclusion : you are talking out of your ass.

That being said, your attempt at moving the goal posts is understandable since you've realized that the claim you've made is factually wrong.

Again, I dont mind the trade, as long as we go further than the ECF in the next couple years. Unsubstantiated claims are what bothers me though.

Lol calm down, im not asking you guys to go away, im saying a lot of you have gone from loving subban to just out right hating him and wishing him to do poorly

its pathetic

YOU say you couldnt care less wether he succeeds or not, sure thats fair, but most are wishing he sucks and that weber outproduces him just to justify the trade, which is silly, weber brings different things to the team, and subban brought different things to the team, but at least subban also brought things to the community and went out of his way to do so, because he truly loved being a hab, maybe not more than all the players PaulD mentioned in his snobby post, but it sure felt like it


The thread is designed to keep tabs on how they are doing, but calling his 8 points in 15 games for a Dman overrated is laughable, quotes saying things like oh he was never any good as a hab, this proves it blah blah, again, its just pathetic

I was a big fan of Prust. Loved how he stood up for his teammates and fought.

The moment he was no longer a Hab, I could care less about him.

Same for Patrick Roy, Chris Chelios, Chris Nilan or any other former Habs player.

I get the fan worship of an individual player. That's great. Understand that there are fans who cheer for the Habs team as a team and understand that players come and go.

 

[Kriss E]

And people who say he donated 10 million dollars are off by 9 million.

They're not off by anything. 10M is what he will give over a certain period of time. If his foundation raises nothing, he will have to do it.
Basically who gives a crap. The fact you feel the urge to correct people on this is weird.

So does everyone on the comittee who helps PK raise the money also claim to have donated the same 10 million?

What in the hell are you talking about.
Are you trying to diminish PK's efforts here??
The foundation is under his name. Stop your babble.

 

[Frank Drebin]

They're not off by anything. 10M is what he will give over a certain period of time. If his foundation raises nothing, he will have to do it.

Really? Is that in a contract?

 

[Hoople]

Still nothing substantial on his off-ice activities effecting the team in a bad way. But keep going with the same crap Ive never argued against.

Youve made a claim that was wrong and you cant admit it. Man up dude.

I thought we could amicably agree to disagree.

Matters not to me. I tried to get you to understand my point of view regarding team dynamics vs individualism. I gave it one shot and you can't grasp it. No big deal.

Manned up regards,

 

[Treb]

Really? Is that in a contract?

He pledged 10M. I think it's pretty self-explanatory he has to fill any void left in that amount if any.

 

[Redux91]

Arguing about semantics over his charity act is simply bizarre.

PK Subban engaged himself to donate 10M to the charity. Whether it's done via his own pocket, foundation, raised by some event, who gives a flying crap.
Basically those kids are getting 10M dollars in help and it's all thanks to PK.

People that try to knock this down by saying ''Wait a minute! He's not the one giving the money out of his own pocket!'' are showing some seriously weird colors.

Its hilarious the lengths his detractors will go to paint him in a poor color, because he donated 1 million and plans on making it 10 must, MUST mean hes a terrible guy and a terrible hockey player, but thank god hes in nashville now!
Pathetic.

Great point.

Not to mention all the charity work he was connected to for years. The Captaincy he gives up.

Maybe Weber will put out his own documentary and tell everyone about it.

I doubt it. ( ;

A star player is approached by HBO to make a documentary about him, because of the very fact he is a star player in the mecca of the hockey universe ANd a polarizing figure : which is a TALKING point for people in sports media and broadcasting, something people want to talk about, and something people love to watch and listen, ..so he's supposed to say no? supposed to be, what, above that?, some people love to tell their story, and be in a sort of light, and others are more quiet and introvert, and theres nothing wrong with that

How can you be so surprised by someone as exuberant as Subban for wanting to show something for his fans? and at the time, it was for his habs fans, now its for nashville/montreal fans, but he started this project BEFORE he was traded, its not his fault that it was just thrown into the mix and made for great TV production

How can you blame subban for any of that is beyond me

Its like your jealous

So does everyone on the commitee who helps PK raise the money also claim to have donated the same 10 million.

Again, your arguing over such an action as raising money for a childrens hospital is, very bewildering..and ridiculously pathetic, its like youre wishing he stole 1/10 million from hospitals instead, you know, cuz hes such a terrible guy and hockey player

 

[Kriss E]

Really? Is that in a contract?

I do not know the inner details of the deal he has made but he pledged to give 10M.
He's not going to back out of this.

 

[Frank Drebin]

He pledged 10M. I think it's pretty self-explanatory he has to fill any void left in that amount if any.

When it comes to 10 million dollars, nothing is self explanatory.

He had a nmc in place when he made that pledge, its going to be very difficult raising money for a Montreal hospital as a Nashville predator.

 

[Steve Shutt]

A couple others worth considering:

Z. Kassian RW
M. Grabovski C

 

[Redux91]

I was a big fan of Prust. Loved how he stood up for his teammates and fought.

The moment he was no longer a Hab, I could care less about him.

Same for Patrick Roy, Chris Chelios, Chris Nilan or any other former Habs player.

I get the fan worship of an individual player. That's great. Understand that there are fans who cheer for the Habs team as a team and understand that players come and go.

Yup, absoutely nothing wrong with all that

but to snicker and laugh when he struggles, isnt really understanding that players come and go, in fact this whole thread his puzzling if we were meant to just let him go, as far as im concerned, its a thread for bashing subbans mediocre start, highlighted by webers great start, but its only been 1 month, lets see how it all develops

 

[PaulD]

They're not off by anything. 10M is what he will give over a certain period of time. If his foundation raises nothing, he will have to do it.
Basically who gives a crap. The fact you feel the urge to correct people on this is weird.

What in the hell are you talking about.
Are you trying to diminish PK's efforts here??
The foundation is under his name. Stop your babble.

No i am not trying to diminish PKs donation.

I'll slow down for you.

I donate every year. I also raise money for the same charity.

They are two separate amounts.

The amount i donate i can choose to declare on my taxes. The amount I helped raise I cannot. Why? Because I did not DONATE it. Others did. They will be declaring it. Yes I helped raise it. Contacted them, educated them on the cause. Followed up. Then THEY donated.

I think what PK and thousands of athletes do for charity is commendable. In case you were under the impression that only you thought so. ( ;

However I don't see why you are so offended that others pointed out the accurate numbers of the donation. I chimed in they are correct.

Relax buddy. You can leave his poster on your bedroom wall.

 

[Habs Icing]

Of course you guys want us to just go away but you guys pounded the MT/MB narrative down our throats the last 4 years. And if Subby was lighting it up and Weber struggling it would be unbearable in here. So you guys can suck it up, this is the only thread we are allowed to talk about Subban and Eller whereas you guys are aloowed to bash current players in every thread.

I hope you realize that will never stop. It's still going on and the team is off to a half decent start

 

[Chili]

It would be interesting to repeat this exercise for all teams.

My guess is that the Hawks exs would form a competitive team.

 

[Toene]

I thought we could amicably agree to disagree.

Matters not to me. I tried to get you to understand my point of view regarding team dynamics vs individualism. I gave it one shot and you can't grasp it. No big deal.

Manned up regards,

Again, my point hasnt been about team dynamics in general. You've made a claim on a specific aspect of the Habs/PK relationship, implying that Subban's off-ice activities effected the team in a bad way. I asked you to prove that claim, which you didnt. I gave it a shot and you cant seem to grasp it

And now you go on and insult my intelligence since a few posts, saying I dont understand what you are talking about. I do, it's just not what your claim was about. Like I said, try to follow your own point.

 

[Treb]

When it comes to 10 million dollars, nothing is self explanatory.

He had a nmc in place when he made that pledge, its going to be very difficult raising money for a Montreal hospital as a Nashville predator.

Can still do those ''Juste pour rire'' things in the summer. Also whatever Québec event he want to go to and raise money.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Really? Is that in a contract?

I think on a very real tax level of some sort, you don't get to register a pledge (of that size, certainly) without financial mechanisms to supply any deficit, if applicable. An insured foundation is insulation of a sort, but ultimately I expect that PK, and/or any of his sponsors, are at the end of the "pass the buck" line when it comes to whatever terms they're filing claims for.

But I wouldn't consider myself very knowledgeable about such things.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Can still do those ''Juste pour rire'' things in the summer. Also whatever Québec event he want to go to and raise money.

Sure. It's definitely a tall order

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

It would be interesting to repeat this exercise for all teams.

My guess is that the Hawks exs would form a competitive team.

I want to say you could search the History board and find what you're looking for. Might even be lucky enough to get a thread where that pnep guy has charted an "all-time" lineup by his "Hall of Fame Monitor Points" system. The O6 teams end up as good as you'd expect. Trying to remember some of the more "obscure" ones I've seen discussed, and I think teams like Quebec/Colorado look good on paper (getting everyone at their best, because remember Bourque), fill up an Anaheim lineup and you'll be surprised (as recent as everyone is, there are only 2 current Hall of Famers - Niedermayer and Pronger), when you can technically put Coffey and Larry Robinson (along with Gretzky, Dionne, Robitaille, Kurri, Murphy, etc, etc) on the Kings they start looking pretty good, etc...

edit: oh wait, we're talking 2016 team, lol. Disregard.

 

[sandviper]

I was a big fan of Prust. Loved how he stood up for his teammates and fought.

The moment he was no longer a Hab, I could care less about him.

Same for Patrick Roy, Chris Chelios, Chris Nilan or any other former Habs player.

I get the fan worship of an individual player. That's great. Understand that there are fans who cheer for the Habs team as a team and understand that players come and go.

I know you were speaking of Prust, but in regards to Subban, your posting history says otherwise at least when it comes to PK. I mean, we get it, you don't care for ex-Habs, but at least be consistent with your opinions. I never cared much about Eller, thus I rarely participate in those conversations, but you've started up discussions about PK, quite recently in fact.

 

[Chili]

Just for fun and to give a comparison to the Habs exs, here are current former Hawks

G- C.Anderson Niemi Ranta Hutton
D- Byfuglien Leddy Daley Oduya Clendening Johns Dahlbeck
F-Teravainen, Shaw Danault Saad Ladd Sharp Frolik Pirri JHayes Vermette Stalberg
f-Nordstrom BSmith Skille Brouwer Dano Weise Bickell Bourque

 

[dkd]

This team would be battling it out for 1st overall pick

 

[AHShadow]

McDonagh never played for the Habs (and played his first NHL game 1 1/2 year after the trade).

Thought he'd count since he got drafted by the Habs.

 

[Chili]

I want to say you could search the History board and find what you're looking for. Might even be lucky enough to get a thread where that pnep guy has charted an "all-time" lineup by his "Hall of Fame Monitor Points" system. The O6 teams end up as good as you'd expect. Trying to remember some of the more "obscure" ones I've seen discussed, and I think teams like Quebec/Colorado look good on paper (getting everyone at their best, because remember Bourque), fill up an Anaheim lineup and you'll be surprised (as recent as everyone is, there are only 2 current Hall of Famers - Niedermayer and Pronger), when you can technically put Coffey and Larry Robinson (along with Gretzky, Dionne, Robitaille, Kurri, Murphy, etc, etc) on the Kings they start looking pretty good, etc...

edit: oh wait, we're talking 2016 team, lol. Disregard.

I seem to remember that thread where folks were asked to provide their all time roster for their favorite teams. As usual on that forum, there were some good lists...and pnep's data lists are the best.

 

[Toene]

Cammalleri (2)-Ribeiro (2) -Gionta (3)
Pouliot (3)-Eller (3) -Parenteau (3)
Bourque (4)-Pyatt (4)-Smith Pelly (3)
White (4)-Moore (4)-Weise (3)

Streit (3)-Subban (1)
Gorges (5)-Weber (6)
Hainsey (5) -Gilbert (6)

Halak (1)
Condon (2)

Bad LW.
Bad C.
Terrible RW.
D is very meh.
Goalie is ok.

Top10 pick.

What are these numbers beside the names?

 

[BrendanGallagher11]

Cammalleri (2)-Ribeiro (2) -Gionta (3)
Pouliot (3)-Eller (3) -Parenteau (3)
Bourque (4)-Pyatt (4)-Smith Pelly (3)
White (4)-Moore (4)-Weise (3)

Streit (3)-Subban (1)
Gorges (5)-Weber (6)
Hainsey (5) -Gilbert (6)

Halak (1)
Condon (2)

Bad LW.
Bad C.
Terrible RW.
D is very meh.
Goalie is ok.

Top10 pick.

Only players I'd take back for this present team are:

Subban
Cammalleri