The Former Hab Thread - Part Infinity

[Bouboumaster]

TROUBLING NEWS REGARDING P.K. SUBBAN.

When speaking on a Montreal based radio show on 98.5FM, analysts Mario Tremblay and Mario Langlois reported that Fisher met with the Preds' front office staff in order to "return order in the locker room regarding new chemistry". They added that the meeting was regarding Subban specifically.

http://********************/nhl-news/troubling-news-regarding-p-k-subban

That didn't take long.....

Edit. Link did not show up when I copied and pasted. Google the article title. Website is Hockey Feed . Com

Mario Tremblay?

A fair, well balanced man without any bias against Subban.



http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/2...ot-to-pk-subban-during-dui-arrest-court-hears

 

[Habs Icing]

Mario Tremblay?

A fair, well balanced man without any bias against Subban.



http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/2...ot-to-pk-subban-during-dui-arrest-court-hears

I just listened to the radio clip. It's not Tremblay that mentions the Fisher request for a meeting. It was Langlois. You should really check your info before you start slandering people.

 

[Adam Michaels]

mario tremblay is definitely not bob mckenzie or elliotte freidman so i dont trust whatever he says.

It's not Mario Tremblay who said it. It was Mario Langlois who said he got word of it through a source. Tremblay just gave his opinion on the matter, which was that Weber leaving that room hurt it more than expected and that he has been so great for MT and the Habs.

The other thing Tremblay added was that he's crossed paths with many at the Bell Center and the consensus is that Montreal got themselves one hell of a player.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Mario Tremblay?

A fair, well balanced man without any bias against Subban.



http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/2...ot-to-pk-subban-during-dui-arrest-court-hears

Tremblay was focusing more on how much Weber has helped the Canadiens. He never, at least in this radio segment, blamed PK for anything going on in Nashville.

 

[Habs Icing]

It's not Mario Tremblay who said it. It was Mario Langlois who said he got word of it through a source. Tremblay just gave his opinion on the matter, which was that Weber leaving that room hurt it more than expected and that he has been so great for MT and the Habs.

The other thing Tremblay added was that he's crossed paths with many at the Bell Center and the consensus is that Montreal got themselves one hell of a player.

Yeap that's what I heard too.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Anybody know if some corsi or advanced garbage stats exist to measure dressing room drama and effects on the ice

They won't let Berkshire near any NHL locker rooms. So that's a no.

 

[Adriatic]

Mario Tremblay?

A fair, well balanced man without any bias against Subban.



http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/2...ot-to-pk-subban-during-dui-arrest-court-hears

Maybe you should listen to the clip.

 

[Hoople]

mario tremblay is definitely not bob mckenzie or elliotte freidman so i dont trust whatever he says.

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

When did we hear this before?

 

[Frank Drebin]

As admittedly not the biggest fan of Subban, I would still be shocked to think that he would be creating waves this early on in the room. I echo LyricalLyricists thoughts on this one.

Could you imagine if it was true though? Yikes.

 

[PaulD]

Weber and Vlasic were paired together and had the role of shutting down the best lines of every team they faces. However, how do you explain that his partner has the most points out of all the Ds, but Weber, who was on the ice 90% of the time with Vlasic had 0? Does that me he sucked? No and that's not what I'm saying either.

I'm just saying that Weber had more time to play best vs best hockey and it usually takes a while for some players to be comfortable and start producing. Weber had the chance to have 10 more games than PK and only recently started playing well. Everyone is piling in on Subban because 'Weber has 3PPG and is a +12 and the habs are winning' vs 'Subban sucks because he's a -7 and only has 5 points in 8 games and Preds are losing'.

Once again, I was and still against the PK trade, but I am thoroughly happy that Weber is playing well and continuing to do so. You just can't say that we've won the trade right away after only 9 games into the season.

Certainly cannot say we lost the trade after 9 games in either. Not a chance you could say that. Unless you wanted a good laugh, then you could say it.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

As admittedly not the biggest fan of Subban, I would still be shocked to think that he would be creating waves this early on in the room. I echo LyricalLyricists thoughts on this one.

Could you imagine if it was true though? Yikes.

As fans we have a tendency to jump the gun and the media loves it. They feed off of it.

Fisher, a vet wouldn't go ***** to management about Subban this early. Even if there was an issue they'd probably deal with in the room wayyyyy before going to the higher ups. Doing that is a sure fire way to destroy a room, destroy the comfort level of your new #1 D-man who by the way is there for many many years unlike Fisher who is much older and on a shorter contract.

It just doesn't make sense. Only issue I could see with subban is his on ice chemistry with Josi. It's taking a long time to get settled and it should be abandoned IMO.

 

[Adam Michaels]

As admittedly not the biggest fan of Subban, I would still be shocked to think that he would be creating waves this early on in the room. I echo LyricalLyricists thoughts on this one.

Could you imagine if it was true though? Yikes.

Yikes, indeed.

BUT we shouldn't jump to conclusions here because as mentioned earlier, Langlois and Tremblay do not say Fisher meeting management to discuss the team chemistry is because PK has already created problems. That's an assumption we are making.

 

[PaulD]

Mario Tremblay?

A fair, well balanced man without any bias against Subban.



http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/2...ot-to-pk-subban-during-dui-arrest-court-hears

Dead wrong. You have the wrong guy.

How unfair, unbalanced and bias by you against Trembly. ( ;

 

[Habaneros]

I read an article with some Subban quotes that were made before last nights loss 4-1 to San Jose....


http://www.fearthefin.com/2016/10/29/13467496/early-adversity-a-good-thing-for-subban-predators

Subban admitted that “it’s definitely different†playing in the Western Conference after playing in the Eastern Conference for the first six seasons of his career. Ultimately, Subban said that it will help his game playing in a conference that is considered “a little tougher†by the rest of the league.

“It’s tough. It’s a grind, but I think it’s good,†Subban said. “It’s good for our team, it’s good for me personally. I feel that it’s going to make me a better player. I’ve enjoyed it so far.â€

The Predators have enjoyed him, too. Laviolette said Subban has fit in with the team on and off the ice

Subban said. “We’ve had a little bit of adversity early on in the season, and I don’t think that’s a bad thing for our hckey club. I think it’s a good thing.â€

 

[Adam Michaels]

As fans we have a tendency to jump the gun and the media loves it. They feed off of it.

Fisher, a vet wouldn't go ***** to management about Subban this early. Even if there was an issue they'd probably deal with in the room wayyyyy before going to the higher ups. Doing that is a sure fire way to destroy a room, destroy the comfort level of your new #1 D-man who by the way is there for many many years unlike Fisher who is much older and on a shorter contract.

It just doesn't make sense. Only issue I could see with subban is his on ice chemistry with Josi. It's taking a long time to get settled and it should be abandoned IMO.

Exactly. If Fisher is running to management about a problem with a specific teammate this early into his captaincy, the room will turn against him. He'd come off as a kid who runs to tell on everyone to his/her parent or teacher.

This reported meeting between Fisher and management was surely discussed by Fisher and his teammates first (I hope). Maybe they all aired their grievances and asked the captain to speak on their behalf.

 

[Frank Drebin]

What kind of a conversation does a captain have with management when a team is struggling? Is it line combos, personality conflicts, what.

 

[Newhabfan]

As admittedly not the biggest fan of Subban, I would still be shocked to think that he would be creating waves this early on in the room. I echo LyricalLyricists thoughts on this one.

Could you imagine if it was true though? Yikes.

I also don't think he would do anything like this - he's too smart for that.

I don't find the sources to be that reliable either - as they are probably biased against PK. It could be a completely fabricated story.

However, it could be possible. PK has a big target painted on him and that could make him the perfect locker room scape goat for the collective frustrations.

The team is losing, players are frustrated - PK replaces someone who was apparently appreciated and he earns more than anyone else in the room.

He made himself very "visible" on the Titans game but I guess that was part of a PR move from the Preds organisation and not some personal initiative. They want PK to be himself to sell the game. And they cannot afford blaming PK of anything so soon after the trade. I would be careful before complaining if I was in that locker room.

Or it could be something of little importance, something that happens often and is usually kept private.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I also don't think he would do anything like this - he's too smart for that.

I don't find the sources to be that reliable either - as they are probably biased against PK. It could be a completely fabricated story.

However, it could be possible. PK has a big target painted on him and that could make him the perfect locker room scape goat for the collective frustrations.

The team is losing, players are frustrated - PK replaces someone who was apparently appreciated and he earns more than anyone else in the room.

He made himself very "visible" on the Titans game but I guess that was part of a PR move from the Preds organisation and not some personal initiative. They want PK to be himself to sell the game. And they cannot afford blaming PK of anything so soon after the trade. I would be careful before complaining if I was in that locker room.

Or it could be something of little importance, something that happens often and is usually kept private.

Again, I repeat. They're not saying this meeting between Fisher and management is about Subban. It's about the team's chemistry and what they can do to improve on it.

They did not, I repeat NOT, say it is about PK.

 

[Kant Think]

Again, I repeat. They're not saying this meeting between Fisher and management is about Subban. It's about the team's chemistry and what they can do to improve on it.

They did not, I repeat NOT, say it is about PK.

No, but from the clip, which I have listened to (I'm pretty sure it made me dumber), this was the implied logic.

Really though, if they had any insight, they would mention the abysmal production by Nashville's forwards.

 

[Kriss E]

Tremblay and Langlois??
Is that what it has come down to? Who the hell does Langlois knows??

Such BS. So Subban gets named player of the game by Fisher and everything is rosy, but two weeks later, the Captain is having a meeting about locker room issues specifically with regards to PK?..

Hahahaha that's seriously funny.

 

[Kriss E]

Hmm considering that DD can take the blame for PK scoring 2 goals on the PP (•which took Weber 9 games to surpass) why not ?

First off, I never blamed DD for PK's production so not sure why you're saying this to me.
Second, you constantly defend DD so why would you apply something when you counter it all the time yourself?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Tremblay and Langlois??
Is that what it has come down to? Who the hell does Langlois knows??

Such BS. So Subban gets named player of the game by Fisher and everything is rosy, but two weeks later, the Captain is having a meeting about locker room issues specifically with regards to PK?..

Hahahaha that's seriously funny.

I guess you missed the part where they didn't say the meeting was about Subban.

 

[Kriss E]

Well if Price's absence in the room and on the ice hurt Montreal and all hell broke loose after he went down last year. It shouldn't be too far fetched to think Weber's absence has the same effect in Nashville now.

The impact of a goalie can be much more massive than one of a player. Pittsburgh can lose a player like Crosby and still do very well. Chicago with Kane.
We lost Price last year, that didn't mean Galchenyuk could not score anymore, but it did mean that we couldn't rely on our goalie as much anymore and it killed us.
It's not about his presence in the room, it's his brilliance on the ice, and he plays a full 60 minutes.

I think it's very far fetched to think a single player is responsible for a complete meltdown.
Heck, even here last year, people also say it wasn't all Price, we also lost Gallagher, and then added a string of injuries to it.
So even for us, losing a Vezina and Hart winner, arguably the best player in the world, it wasn't the reason for our demise. We also lost other players.

It's early and if Anaheim taught us anything last year, you could be off to a horrific start but straighten the ship out and make the playoffs in the end. So nothing tells us that can't be Nashville this year. But at this moment, it is what it is. And Weber's absence in the Preds room could be as big as Price's absence in the Habs's room last year.

What happened when we lost Price earlier that very same year and still kept on winning? He missed about a month and we were fine.
There was nothing wrong in the room last year, it's pure fabrication with zero evidence. Even have players coming out that he wasn't a distraction in the room, but the fans and ''non-sensationalist'' media of course, they know best.

The problem was on the ice. We lost Price about the same time DD's line was cooling off, which meant we weren't getting that depth scoring we were enjoying. We lost Gallagher three games later and decided to break up the line that was scoring at a ppg pace. Condon was not able to hold the fort as he was earlier in the season, it was a complete collapse for him. We went from having the best goalie to the worst one. We also had injuries to the 4th line, which was unfortunate as they were clicking nicely as well.
Kassian-Semin were now gone. Our best RW became Weise...

THAT is why we completely crapped off the season. It had nothing to do with some absence of leadership.

Now in Nashville, it's quite different because there was only one change. However, Forsberg had bad POs. He was their leading scorer during the season and disappeared in POs. That happened with Weber there, and it's still going on now.
Ribeiro played with Forsberg a lot, more than 65% of his production came from it. By production I mostly mean assists as he scored 7 goals last season. So not surprisingly, he isn't producing well right now.
Neal already cracked 40 goals, he only has 2 pts thus far.

They are just not scoring and I don't think Weber's presence in the room is the reason why Forsberg, Neal and RyanJo, their best offensive weapons, haven't scored a goal yet. I mean really. It seems very far fetched to me.

 

[Kriss E]

I guess you missed the part where they didn't say the meeting was about Subban.

I read this site:
http://********************/nhl-news/troubling-news-regarding-p-k-subban Hockey feed

When speaking on a Montreal based radio show on 98.5FM, analysts Mario Tremblay and Mario Langlois reported that Fisher met with the Preds' front office staff in order to "return order in the locker room regarding new chemistry". They added that the meeting was regarding Subban specifically.

 

[HBDay]

No, but from the clip, which I have listened to (I'm pretty sure it made me dumber), this was the implied logic.

Really though, if they had any insight, they would mention the abysmal production by Nashville's forwards.

Exactly, both Subban and Josi are on pace for perfectly typical seasons from the two of them. 50-60 points.