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deeshamrock said:
Top 6 I'm not worried about, they're solid. Mild concern that the 1st line hasn't been producing since the playoffs but they'll come around. 2nd line with Frattin has been the best line, consistent. And Frattin is going to be a great for the 2nd line and I agree with Sutter (below).
This from another great (game day) column by Jason Lewis today on HBuzz.


Frattin has been the Kings’ best forward so far this season and has looked like the long lost missing piece for the Carter and Richards tandem. Sutter himself has said that Frattin has been the best player and that’s a big compliment. It has been a good start for the guy who was considered a big unanswered question coming into the season.

The bottom 6 are are a concern, eps the 3rd line. And that's where your Fresh legs/new blood is on the mark. They have the bodies to do it and given how well some of those guys played in camp, I was disappointed at least one of them didn't make the club. I am hoping that gets rectified very quicly and Pearson perhaps is brought up.

D- Mitchell only needs time to get his game back after missing 18 mos. That will come and his leadership is priceless. DD and SV are fine, no qualms there. RR concerns me, he looks slow and out of sync too often. I like AMart, good to see him playing tonight. And Greene needs to stay out of the box.
D mostly needs to work on basics and transitional passes. And the forwards need to work on that as well

Three games isn't panic time, after all it's not how you start it's how you finish that counts. And making the corrections, working on the basics, and one solid 60 min. effort and a large W will help.
That starts tonight.
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I couldn't agree more with what you have said here.


The adjustments that I would be considering for down the road action providing things don't change which I believe they will would be in making room for one or two of our kids to add to our bottom 6 abd possibly adjusting our D a very little bit.

It is weeks too early to consider any real actions but some of the suggested changes are interesting to note.
 
You cant do anything until the 10-20 game mark. But if they continue to play this bad after 10 games DS needs to start exploring some options. If their poor play continues I would do something like this just to seriously shake things up....

Stoll-Kopitar-Toffoli
Pearson-Carter-Williams
Brown-Richards-Frattin
Clifford-Lewis-Nolan

DD-Muz
VV-WM
MG-AMART
 
This team has the same problem it has had the last 3 years, lack scoring depth. But this is the same team that one the cup. So Sutter is going to go with the guys that he trust. He doesn't trust Toffoli, Vey, and Peason yet. Alec Martinez can't seem to get in the lineup, but he keeps rolling Muzzin out there even if he has a turnover problem. If Regher is going to play he might need to move to the third pairing because he can't keep up with the more skilled players in the league anymore. Plus he's stopped punishing forwards, he used to be one of the best hitters in the nhl.
 
sam eproblem since years....... actually decades.
Very unbalanced team.
Lot's of "role players" few real hockey players.
We play either all offense or all defense.
Both is easy to scout and counter.

My solutions..........

get rid of everyone at the staff who is 45 or older.
Yes, especially the coach.
Get fresh young personal and a motivation specialist.

Trade away guys who do nothing but playing a role away.
Give guys a chance who actually wanna play hockey.
 
deeshamrock said:
How is saddling MR with Lewis and King an improvment? That's worse than the 3rd line is now. YOu have a line that won't score 5 x 5 and then you'll have Kings fans complaining the MR is stealing a salary, overpaid, not producing. PUtting MR , a crafty and talented playmaking center with non skilled wingers is a recipe for disaster. It wont' work and Sutter isn't that dumb.
Carter and Richards are far better together than they are apart, they produce scoring chances on a consistant basis just about every game and goals because they work well together as a skilled , crafty playmaker and a sniper. They aren't the problem.
YOu have a 2nd line with 2 snipers and Frattin, you have decreased your scoring chances. Carter doesn't like being a set up and has said so often enought. He loves to shoot and it's what he does first and instinctively . It's why he likes playing with Richards, and Richards loves to dig out and steal pucks and pass. IT works, it works very well .
And since the first line hasn't been producing anything since the playoffs started, you will be relying on PP to win games.
Your line setup does very little for balanced 5 x 5 attack.
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Richards is infinitely better at offense than Stoll. King and Lewis cannot produce on their own and do not have a competent offensive center in Stoll so the line does nothing. I would assume that Richards would improve this since he is, you know, a good center.

I don't care if Richards' point totals drop (he'll still be on the PP and PK so it wouldn't be horrific) in exchange for the Kings scoring more goals as a whole. I also don't care what they are paying him as long as he is contributing and the Kings are winning.

Carter does not need Mike Richards to produce. While someone should tell Kopitar, there are no rules stating that a center must pass instead of shoot. As for saying there are two snipers on that line, Toffoli is an offensive talent who can also pass while Frattin can make plays as well. You seem to be stuck in this rigid definition of roles wherein a "sniper" can not pass and a "playmaker" needs "snipers" in order to be of value. If Richards is as good as you believe he is, he shouldn't have to play with Carter. This isn't Philly anymore so, as far as the eye test goes, Carter is the better player at this point on both sides of the puck. I love Richards but Carter is outplaying him, is an elite talent and simply does not need Richards to produce. Who needs Richards??? Anyone saddled to Jarett Stoll.

Richards should be good enough to make other players better. Carter would be just fine at center with two young guys who can shoot. Not every goal is the result of tic-tac-toe passing and beauty set-ups: a 21-77-73 line would produce a lot of rebounds.

I believe it would make 5x5 more dangerous while not disrupting the PP/PK. If the Kings get down in the 3rd period, Sutter can EASILY put the two of them back together if he feels it is necessary.

Calling the idea stupid--especially with the lead argument being it would hurt MR's already lower than expected numbers and the 3d line gets worse somehow by increasing the talent level--is stupid.
 
Just my 2 cents worth, but IMO Brown is not an effective player while playing hurt. I would put Brown on at least the 3rd line, maybe 4th until he is able to play like he should. I would bring pearson up and put him on the 1st, Put brown on the 3rd, move king down to the 4th and take Clifford out.

I think the bonus to this is it gives a guy like pearson to show what he can especially playing with guys like Kopi and Williams. At the same time, it can lessen brown's minutes which should help him in recovering.

On defense I would only replace Muzzin with Martinez, but if RR and Mitchell don't show some improvement I'd be tempted to at least give ellerby a game or 2 to see just to try something new. I haven't seen RR throw a single hard hit this season yet, and that's a big part of his game.

Pearson - Kopi - Williams
Frats - Richie - Carter
Brown - Stoll - Lewis
King/Clifford - Fraser - Nolan
 
BigKing said:
Richards is infinitely better at offense than Stoll. King and Lewis cannot produce on their own and do not have a competent offensive center in Stoll so the line does nothing. I would assume that Richards would improve this since he is, you know, a good center.

I don't care if Richards' point totals drop (he'll still be on the PP and PK so it wouldn't be horrific) in exchange for the Kings scoring more goals as a whole. I also don't care what they are paying him as long as he is contributing and the Kings are winning.

Carter does not need Mike Richards to produce. While someone should tell Kopitar, there are no rules stating that a center must pass instead of shoot. As for saying there are two snipers on that line, Toffoli is an offensive talent who can also pass while Frattin can make plays as well. You seem to be stuck in this rigid definition of roles wherein a "sniper" can not pass and a "playmaker" needs "snipers" in order to be of value. If Richards is as good as you believe he is, he shouldn't have to play with Carter. This isn't Philly anymore so, as far as the eye test goes, Carter is the better player at this point on both sides of the puck. I love Richards but Carter is outplaying him, is an elite talent and simply does not need Richards to produce. Who needs Richards??? Anyone saddled to Jarett Stoll.

Richards should be good enough to make other players better. Carter would be just fine at center with two young guys who can shoot. Not every goal is the result of tic-tac-toe passing and beauty set-ups: a 21-77-73 line would produce a lot of rebounds.

I believe it would make 5x5 more dangerous while not disrupting the PP/PK. If the Kings get down in the 3rd period, Sutter can EASILY put the two of them back together if he feels it is necessary.

Calling the idea stupid--especially with the lead argument being it would hurt MR's already lower than expected numbers and the 3d line gets worse somehow by increasing the talent level--is stupid.
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Exactly. I recall Carter with Toffoli and Penner/whoever else on his flanks having some success last year against Chicago.

Richards with a couple of hard workers would also easily improve us. This way the burden of mucking it up is off Richards and frees him up to do the crafty things we all love seeing him do.

Reaper45 said:
I'm telling you guys we should put Lewis with Rick and carts.
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A simpler suggestion, and its never a bad idea, at least in the short term. His effectiveness always trails off after a few games, but whatever it takes.
 
Winger23 said:
Just my 2 cents worth, but IMO Brown is not an effective player while playing hurt. I would put Brown on at least the 3rd line, maybe 4th until he is able to play like he should. I would bring pearson up and put him on the 1st, Put brown on the 3rd, move king down to the 4th and take Clifford out.

I think the bonus to this is it gives a guy like pearson to show what he can especially playing with guys like Kopi and Williams. At the same time, it can lessen brown's minutes which should help him in recovering.

On defense I would only replace Muzzin with Martinez, but if RR and Mitchell don't show some improvement I'd be tempted to at least give ellerby a game or 2 to see just to try something new. I haven't seen RR throw a single hard hit this season yet, and that's a big part of his game.

Pearson - Kopi - Williams
Frats - Richie - Carter
Brown - Stoll - Lewis
King/Clifford - Fraser - Nolan
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Bottom six will still be poor. Stoll+Lewis+anyone, is at best a one man offensive line
 
I love it... 3 games into the season and no one has a problem with Stoll going to the 4th line or trade.... hahahah

DD needs to step up... what 3 penalties last game and a turnover that led to a goal....

Williams ... 3rd line... I'm real tired of watching him make a play get hooked and fall down not getting the call because the reffs feel he goes down too easy... yes this dates back to the Hawks series...

Can't wait to see Carcillo play tonight so people will stop talking about him and put him back in the press box....

Fine with splitting Richards/Carter....

not sure why Fraser is at 4C over Lewis/Vey/AA.... All are bigger then Fraser... Lewis did terrible at C against the Sharks but Fraser over Vey/AA? If we aren't looking at the playoffs get the kids some experience... ahhahahah

As far as D... it's so terrible at this point not sure where to start...

King has been playing well... and makes less then 1M so not sure he's the problem... would be nice to have a real first line LW so King can play bot 6.... anyone seen brown?

Too late to trade quick and keep Bernier.... ok I'm half joking on this one...
 
I think DD's only problems are due to his having to constantly readjust for how slow RR has been. I am not worried about RR just yet but the guy is a half a step behind the play.
 
Tonellisghost said:
I think DD's only problems are due to his having to constantly readjust for how slow RR has been. I am not worried about RR just yet but the guy is a half a step behind the play.
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DD isn't the worst player out there... but turnover for a goal and 3 penalties in a game for 7 million..... Bar is higher for him because of his salary... I could take a game like that from Muzzin/Martinez because they don't make the money.

Fun fact
http://kings.nhl.com/club/stats.htm

no one has a positive +-... 0 is the best....
 
dman3474 said:
(in my best game show host voice) Tanner Pearson, Come On Down!!!!

He would be the one that would make the most sense to me
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I agree, and Pearson in my opinion can slide up and down the line up better than any other prospect in the sense he can play on any line and not look out of place.
 
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